Self-enquiry, the tracing of I thought, the root of all other thoughts

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Dear Friends,

 

Bhaghavan Ramana Maharishi, as all of you are

aware, advocates the path of finding out the root of all thoughts, the, 'I',

thought, by asking the question, "To whom these thoughts arise?", whenever any

thought arises, instead of going along the thought by way of analysis, giving a

meaning to the thought and trying to find its causation- all these things,

according to Bhaghavan, constituting only a distraction. But, since our minds

are rooted in the I thought, everything srikes us only as a posthumous affair, a

sort of analysis. Does Bhaghavan's path demand awareness of a state of mind,

already, so that it is possible for us to turn our attention to this

thought-free realm? Otherwise, it becomes merely a mental cogitation. I am also

inclined to believe that Bhaghavan makes us to turn back our consciousness to a

state being near the point of the pure I becoming instead an I thought. Does

this pure I refer to the Aham-sphurana spoken of by Bhaghavan? In fact, there

can be no I thought, this being only an association of the I with something

external. Does the I constitute a state of void from where the leap to the

beyond takes place spontaneously.?Pray, please clarify the correct position in

this regard.

Yours Ever in Bhaghavan,

Sankarraman

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Bhaghavan Ramana Maharishi, as all of you are aware, advocates the

path of finding out the root of all thoughts, the, 'I', thought, by

asking the question, "To whom these thoughts arise?", whenever any

thought arises, instead of going along the thought by way of

analysis, giving a meaning to the thought and trying to find its

causation- all these things, according to Bhaghavan, constituting

only a distraction. But, since our minds are rooted in the I thought,

everything srikes us only as a posthumous affair, a sort of analysis.

Does Bhaghavan's path demand awareness of a state of mind, already,

so that it is possible for us to turn our attention to this thought-

free realm? Otherwise, it becomes merely a mental cogitation.

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Dear Sankarraman, initially it requires us to make this enquiry when a

thought rises as to "To whom these thoughts arise?". The answer would

be obviously to me.

 

Then the next question is "Who am I?"; here you must discover your

true state and recollect it; until the vasana's (impression that you

are body-mind-intellect) is removed and you are rooted in your true

state.

 

Alternatively, you might have experienced a state of VOID in your

meditation, if you have experienced it then it was not a void was it?

then to whom did this void appear to?

 

 

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> I am also inclined to believe that

Bhaghavan makes us to turn back our consciousness to a state being

near the point of the pure I becoming instead an I thought. Does this

pure I refer to the Aham-sphurana spoken of by Bhaghavan? In fact,

there can be no I thought, this being only an association of the I

with something external. Does the I constitute a state of void from

where the leap to the beyond takes place spontaneously.?

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These questioning and answering is required as long as you have an

Identity as 'I'; in reality the VOID experience shows very clearly

that there is no different me, you or them. So, if you can stop this

false identification of any thoughts as 'yours'; including the

thought that you have to realize yourslef? since there is no two you

that needs to realize the other; you are what you are; just

existence. So, thoughts or no thoughts you always exist.

 

That's why Ramana says that we are all realized once; only this false

notition of 'I am not realized" or 'I' identification is the culprit.

 

Om Namo Bhagavathe Shri Ramanaya.

 

Love

Dileep

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RamanaMaharshi, "sankarraman_gamesam"

<sankarraman_gamesam> wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

Pray, please clarify the correct position in this regard.

> Yours Ever in Bhaghavan,

> Sankarraman

>

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Hi Sankarraman,

 

 

 

sankarraman_gamesam <sankarraman_gamesam wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

Bhaghavan Ramana Maharishi, as all of you are

aware, advocates the path of finding out the root of all thoughts, the, 'I',

thought, by asking the question, "To whom these thoughts arise?", whenever any

thought arises, instead of going along the thought by way of analysis, giving a

meaning to the thought and trying to find its causation- all these things,

according to Bhaghavan, constituting only a distraction. But, since our minds

are rooted in the I thought, everything srikes us only as a posthumous affair, a

sort of analysis.

 

 

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And that particular conclusion, which can only be mind-stuff, is it any more

than a thought?

 

To whom did that thought (in the form of that particular conclusion)occur to?

 

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Does Bhaghavan's path demand awareness of a state of mind, already, so that

it is possible for us to turn our attention to this thought-free realm?

 

 

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A state of mind, no matter how exalted the envision, is still the sense of a

mind.

 

 

A positing of a thought-free realm is one more arising thought.

 

 

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Otherwise, it becomes merely a mental cogitation.

 

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Mental Cogitating is indeed the case, when there is a prevailing sense of a

belief that it is me which thinks the arising thought of the moment, thus a

prevailing sense of a belief that it is me which is on the path of Ramana's Self

Enquiry and thus the prevailing sense of a belief that the answer to the

question "To whom did this thought arise to?" can be thought out and realised as

an experience in time and space.

 

 

 

 

I am also inclined to believe that Bhaghavan makes us to turn back our

consciousness to a state being near the point of the pure I becoming instead an

I thought. Does this pure I refer to the Aham-sphurana spoken of by Bhaghavan?

In fact, there can be no I thought, this being only an association of the I with

something external. Does the I constitute a state of void from where the leap to

the beyond takes place spontaneously.?

 

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To whom has all these thoughts in the form of these questions, these

assumptions, these beliefs, risen to?

 

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Pray, please clarify the correct position in this regard.

Yours Ever in Bhaghavan,

Sankarraman

 

 

Love

Avril

 

 

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