Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 - John RamanaMaharshi Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:52 PM Who Am I? ~ An In-depth Study Dear Members, I'd like to tell about an in-depth study of the essay version of Sri Bhagavan's Who Am I? A small group of devotees has worked on the text, in England and also in Tiruvannamalai; after many months' deep reflection and study, the series of posts is now ready to begin. The series is in Dual-language, both in English and Tamil. During the posts you will be able to read Sri Bhagavan's words in the original Tamil script, with ABC or Roman letters written directly underneath, and brief English equivalents at the bottom. After the presentation of the actual text, there will follow footnotes on Bhagavan's use of the language, and finally a suggested translation will be posted. Questions and comments will be welcome at any time. As this is a serious study, the series will be screened in a quiet corner of the Net. All members are cordially invited to below, to follow the series. http://acalayoga.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=prose and thereby to listen to the application and practice of Atma Vichara, according to the Master. Kind Regards, Moderator Writing book Writing a book Writing child book Book writing software Writing a book report Business writing book -- a.. Visit your group "Gita-Sarah_Room" on the web. b.. Gita-Sarah_Room c.. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 those of you working on this project, i just want to tell you how deeply this is appreciated. pls keep up the good work. gabriele, from the little i know ( i did not want to pollute the site with this guess, so i am posting here). As you know, The J in Jiva is not like the J in jnana. I would suggest that you also look up a Sanskrit dictionary. To my limited *general* knowledge, Jiva (in spiritual context) refers to the individuated/perishable self/soul. It the one who has identified with the mind-body. However, i do not know what Bhagavan means when he uses the term - i cannot recall where i have read this. Some people use this to mean the mistaken concept of a separate soul. In India, when we ordinarily say "jiva", we mean "living being" (animal, humans all included), similar to "prANI". But i take it, this is NOT what Bhagavan means. You mentioned "jIvan": this refers to life, not in the sense of "he still has some life left in him", but in the sense of "xxx is the inspiration of my life". Again, NOT what you want. once again, all the best to you in this great effort. On 2/8/06, John <ramanachala wrote: > > > - > John > RamanaMaharshi > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:52 PM > Who Am I? ~ An In-depth Study > > > Dear Members, > > I'd like to tell about an in-depth study of the essay version of Sri > Bhagavan's Who Am I? > > A small group of devotees has worked on the text, in England and also in > Tiruvannamalai; after many months' deep reflection and study, the series of > posts is now ready to begin. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Thank you for your appreciation, Rahul. The key for looking up the word "Jiva" in Tamil is to remember that that "j" is not a true Tamil, letter, so we look under "s". Sri Bhagavan has written, in Verse 24 of Ulladu Narpadu: "The inert body does not say 'I', and Being-Consciousness neither rises [nor sets]. However, at the measure of the body, a "Naan" (an 'I') arises, and in between these we have the knot betwen spirit and what is gross. This bondage is known as 'jiva', subtle-body or ego, (akaNtai). it is also called 'samsaara' and 'mind'. Ponder this well!" Lakshmana Sarma, in his book called Maha Yoga goes on to say: "The Sage tells us here that the real Consciousness is beyond time and therefore neither rises nor sets. It is like the sun, which - relative to the earth - does not move; the sunrise and sunset we speak of are due to the movements of the earth. So too the Reality shines constantly; the rising and setting of the ego are ascribed to it. The ego-sense is discontinuous; it rises and sets. Apart from the ego-sense there is no individual soul. It shines during waking and in dream, and sets in sleep. This little self is therefore not to be identified with the Reality. Nor can it be identified with the inert body. "What then is this little self? The Sage tells us here that it is a hypothetical being, a chimera of the mind, compounded of the light of Consciousness and the body. These two utterly unlike things are confused together; the result is this incongruous being called the individual soul, which says, 'I am so-and-so'. Because of the light of Consciousness associated with it, it appears conscious; but at the same time it is indistinguishable from the body, which has no consciousness of its own. Because of the two incongruous elements of which it is composed, it is described as the knot between the Reality - the Self - and the body. That is why the little self is manifest as the ego-sense, which has the form of the thought 'I-am-this-body'. The body thus identified as the self is not always the physical body; sometimes the mind, which is only a subtler kind of body, takes its place and then the sense of selfhood is restricted to the mind for a time." this is from Chapter Six, called "The Soul", and the entire book can be downloaded free-of-charge from the websaite of Sri Ramanasramam. http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/ anbudan John - "Ananda" <oneness.univ <RamanaMaharshi> Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:39 AM Re: [RamanaMaharshi] Who Am I? ~ An In-depth Study > those of you working on this project, i just want to tell you how deeply > this is appreciated. pls keep up the good work. > > gabriele, from the little i know ( i did not want to pollute the site with > this guess, so i am posting here). > > As you know, The J in Jiva is not like the J in jnana. > > I would suggest that you also look up a Sanskrit dictionary. > > To my limited *general* knowledge, Jiva (in spiritual context) refers to the > individuated/perishable self/soul. It the one who has identified with the > mind-body. However, i do not know what Bhagavan means when he uses the term > - i cannot recall where i have read this. Some people use this to mean the > mistaken concept of a separate soul. > > In India, when we ordinarily say "jiva", we mean "living being" (animal, > humans all included), similar to "prANI". But i take it, this is NOT what > Bhagavan means. > > You mentioned "jIvan": this refers to life, not in the sense of "he still > has some life left in him", but in the sense of "xxx is the inspiration of > my life". Again, NOT what you want. > > once again, all the best to you in this great effort. > > On 2/8/06, John <ramanachala wrote: >> >> >> - >> John >> RamanaMaharshi >> Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:52 PM >> Who Am I? ~ An In-depth Study >> >> >> Dear Members, >> >> I'd like to tell about an in-depth study of the essay version of Sri >> Bhagavan's Who Am I? >> >> A small group of devotees has worked on the text, in England and also in >> Tiruvannamalai; after many months' deep reflection and study, the series of >> posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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