CALENDER

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Dear Dr. Kadambi:

Greetings and Salutations!

--- Malolan Cadambi <mcadambi wrote:

> SrI:

> srimathe ramanujAya namaha

> srimathe nigamantha maha desikaya namaha

>

> Dear Sri Narender Reddy,

> First of all There is

> nothing called the "Christian New Year" as you

> opine.

Thanks for your reply in defense of the use of January

first as the New Year. Use of 2001 AD is certainly

Christian. Do you mean to say that the use of 2001 is

not Christian? If we are tru Hindus or Vaishnavas then

we would have adopted a Hindu based calender. We could

have used the Kaliyuga calender year 5101-5102.

Kaliyuga started when Lord Krishna disappeared for

Vaikunta. Lord Krishna lived 120 years on the earth.

We could have used 5102+120 = 5122 as our year. No,

our relegious leaders and the so called Sri Vaishnavas

are proudly using Christian calender and are greeting

one another on the midnight of January first each

year. Do you mean to say that 2001 AD does not refer

to Christian calender? What surprises me is that

Srivaishnavas who are supposed to be lead the society

in the right direction are ignoring the

Hindu/Vaishnava thought and embrassing with enthusiasm

the ways of Christian culture. Moreover, they are

defending such deviations. Starting from the next few

generations (in India or elsewhere) will not even know

that there is a Hindu calender going back to 1.95

billion years, or even will not know that our calender

goes back to atleast 5102 years.

>It is true that the earth takes 365 odd days

> to complete one revolution around the sun. This one

> complete Revolution is taken as the standard "year".

> There is nothing Christian about it. It is

> scientifically valid. This was not suggested by

> Saint.X or Saint.Y or Saint.Z.

 

Yes, in India we have both lunar and solar based

Calender. Unfortunately, the socalled Sri Vaishanvas

or the so called Hindu leaders have chosen neither of

these. By choosing midnight of January first 2001 as

thier New Year, the so called Sri Vaishnavas have

defenetly embrassed Christian ways. Other wise what is

the basis for sending out Millinium Greetings for 2000

or 2001. Yes, we did start a new century last year

5101, did these individuals send greetings for the new

century?

 

It is my feeling that nobody in their right mind will

choose the midnight as the beginning of a new day or a

new year. During ancient times, India was looked upon

as the leader of the world. In Hindu/Vaishnava

culture, the new day starts at sunrise. When there is

sunrise in India, usually, there is midnight in

Europe. Since India was the seat of culture in those

days, others have adopted such that they would

celebrate a new day when the Sun is rising in India

and therefore (it is my feeling that) they have chosen

midnight as the new year. Now, our so called leaders

of Hinduism have chosen the Christian calender and are

celbrating the New Year on the midnight of Janury

first.

 

>

> It was Aryabhatta, the ancient Hindu Mathematician

> who was the first to Calculate how many days the

> earth takes to travel around the Sun. He calculated

> it to be 365 days 6 hours 12 minutes 30 seconds. The

> standard taken now is 365 days and 6 hours.

> From this it is clear that our pUrvAcharyas had

> solid knowledge of mathematics.

Did Poorvacharyas suggest the use of January first

(that too the midnight) as the New Year? Please do not

attribute our mistakes/convinences on Poorvacharyas.

The major problem in Hindus/Vaishnavas is that we do

not accpt constructive criticism. Our spiritual

leaders do not take any questions after their

discourses. They do not want feedback and the

questioning is very much disouraged. For our

generation this may work fine. But for future the next

generation, we may loosse them from Vaishnava thought.

 

 

> The contributions of our pUrvAcharyas to the field

> of mathematics are like pillars supporting the roof.

> It is only due to our acharyas that there are

> advances in all field of science known to humanity.

Please do not attribute to Poorvacharyas the use of

the midnight of January first as the New year. Yes,

our Poorvacharyas have contributed significantly, but

what has the present generation done? The present

generation has altered what our great Poorvacharyas

have created in name of adaptation/convinence. Our

Poorvacharyas did not ask us to use the term "Idol" or

use the term "Happy New Year" or "Happy Millinium" on

January first. Yes, you may say that this is minute

adptation.

 

> I highly suggest you visit the following link to

> learn more about Hindu mathematics.

But even if each generation changes the original

thought/intention by one thousendths, it is very easy

to observe usning elementary calculus that

 

the rate of change of the original = - 0.001 times tne

original,

 

when integrated it can be seen that the original

decays exponentially

and the present quantity = original times the negative

exponential of 0.001 t. In a thousand years we have

only 37% of what our Poorvacharyas have tough.

 

We are all human and we make mistakes. By not taking

contructive criticism, if each generation modifies the

thoughts by onethousandths, our Sri Vaishnava thought

will be lost in two to three thousand years.

 

While people in India have ego and coudl inadbertently

be misleading the public, atleats in the US we should

take constructivge crticism to adjust back to the

original thought.

 

> kavi taarkika simhaaya kalyaana gunashaaline

> srimathe venkateshay

> Adiyen Ramanuja Daasan,

>

> Malolan Cadambi,

> Dept. of Electrical Engineering,

> Iowa State University.

 

With All Glories to Padmavathi Sametha Sri Venkteswara

Swamy, I remain,

Sincerely

Narender Reddy

reddynp

 

 

> -

> Narender Reddy

>

> Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:27 PM

> Re: A Humble Correction to Mr

> GK Ramakrishnan's mail ...

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sri Narender Reddy,

 

I welcome your questions and enquiries. I request scholars to correct my

postings on this matter. Sri Narender, if you wish we may carry this

discussion in another list, so that the main purpose of Sri Ranga Sri as a

journal is not put at stake.

 

I have answered your queries point to point:

 

You wrote:

>Thanks for your reply in defense of the use of January first as the New

Year. Use of 2001 AD is certainly Christian. Do you >mean to say that the

use of 2001 is not Christian? If we are tru Hindus or Vaishnavas then we

would have adopted a Hindu >based calender. We could have used the Kaliyuga

calender year 5101-5102. Kaliyuga started when Lord Krishna >disappeared for

Vaikunta. Lord Krishna lived 120 years on the earth. We could have used

5102+120 = 5122 as our year. >No, our relegious leaders and the so called

Sri Vaishnavas are proudly using Christian calender and are greeting one

another >on the midnight of January first each year. Do you mean to say that

2001 AD does not refer to Christian calender? What >surprises me is that

Srivaishnavas who are supposed to be lead the society in the right direction

are ignoring the >Hindu/Vaishnava thought and embrassing with enthusiasm the

ways of Christian culture. Moreover, they are defending such >deviations.

Starting from the next few generations (in India or elsewhere) will not even

know that there is a Hindu calender >going back to 1.95 billion years, or

even will not know that our calender goes back to atleast 5102 years

 

Ok, let's get one thing straight. I mentioned that using the calendar of 365

Days, which we use at present is not at all the christian calendar. You

still are of the opinion that using January/april/august is christian. Well,

it is clearly not.

 

Then again, you mention that use of the year 2001 AD is christian. Well to

be frank with you, the years what we use now follow christian chronology.

Here it is only *we* normal people who use the western calendar. If you go

to some Middle Easter country like Saudi Arabia or United Arab Emirates, you

will find the mohammedan date next to the western date. Similarly, you will

find the panchangam date on most Indian Newspapers, the hindu for example.

 

Our acharyas are so kind and so understanding that they make us understand

the sampradayam in our own language and our own level of understanding. We

may be comfortable with using the western calendar, hence our acharyas

translate the meanings of the panchagam into western format especially for

our sake. Now tell me, if you only understand telugu and wanted to study

Bodhayana Sulabhasutras or Kathasaritsaagaram which are all in sanskrit,

would you not refer and english translation of those or would you not

approach an teacher who is ready to teach them in telugu??

 

Now it is clear that we are at fault not our acharyas!!!

 

And About your thoughts on our acharyas not accepting questions:

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Well, my dear friend, you seem to have not explored the realm of

guru-upadesham or have not experienced kaalakshepam methods. As a matter of

fact, I have experienced the same.

 

Before I go further, please ask your self these questions:

 

1.)Have you attended formal learning sessions under acharyas

(kaalakshepam)??

2.)Have you attended Tele-Upanyaasams conducted by acharyas for the sake of

great bhagavataas in US/Singapore/All around the world??

3.)Have you ever approached an acharya for sake of asking questions which

trouble your mind???

 

How is that you make such a blank statement on our acharyas??? They answer

me even before I can ask them my question. This is beacuse they know what i

am going to ask, even before I ask the questions. This is beacause they are

geniuses.

I cannot accept your statements on acharyas. Please learn under a feet of an

acharyas by removing any "holier than thou" attitude.

 

Sri Narender, you have a rare god given gift of asking excellent questions,

i suggest you not to let go of this great talent. Approach an acharya with

great humility, learn tarka shaastras/vedas from your acharya.

 

>From your postings, i could make out that you may have not read the links on

hindu mathematics which i provided. I highly suggest you to do the same.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Daasan,

 

Malolan Cadambi

Iowa State University.

 

 

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