Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Sri RAmajayam SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha Dear Sri.Rajagopalan, AdiyEn's views are stated below(closely in line with Sri.Anand Sampath Kumar and a few other Bhagavathaas) to share AdiyEn's perception(ignorance) and more relevantly to get more educated on this topic... In general there is nothing wrong in having fear. Fear is a matter of the servile personality and that itself fosters Seshatvam for being a good Bhagavatha coupled with San Maargam. Immaterial of whether a person is learned in SampradAyam or a novice, there is always the recognition that we are all Sesha Bhutas to the Sarva Seshee, the Supreme, the Divya Dhampathi Sriman Naarayana. For a Sri Vaishnava, however the Fear should not be fear of punishment, as we have to do everything in his name, order, pleasure and verily render the fruits to him(Satvika Tyaagam). Thus there is absolutely no need for fear (or doubt) of consequence. The fear is out of love and realization, it is actually more of remorse and seeking his mercy like exclaiming..... "Oh Lord what a supreme personality you are, you have no need for anything, leave alone AdiyEn's alpa upachaaras. I do realize I have to fulfill 40 Samskaaras in this life as per your divine order(Shastras), and have to perform Ajnyaa Karmas and Anugnya Karmas for getting the immediate opportunity and joy of serving you. This podiyan is short of those and am yet doing what AdiyEn am not supposed to do(Bhagavad, Bhaagavatha, AsahyA Apachaaram). With this realization, AdiyEn am ashamed and fear that I may do this again. Please bless me with Paripoorna Bhakthi, Jnaana and Vairaghyam so that I can be a good Sesha Bhutaa to you surrounded by Bhagavad/Bhaagavad vishayam. Once I renounce this mortal coil, AdiyEn would not have to fear myself, as I would be liberated from Samsaara by your mercy, and do eternal Kaimkaryam to you, the Para VAsudEvan extolled in the Shruthis-Smruthis-Ithihaasas-PurAnas and our beloved Poorvacharyas Words/deeds/action and form" Once again these are AdiyEn's views, and have to be ratified by the wisdom of those who had learnt at the feet of our Acharyas. AdiyEn noticed some free translations from the Bhagavad Geetha, posted by someone in reply to you, however AdiyEn feel they are not in sync. with Sri Vaishnava SampradAyic views(especially an apparent translation of Charama Sloka). AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, Sudarsana Dasosmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Harihi Om ...................."For a Sri Vaishnava, however the Fear should not be fear of punishment, as we have to do everything in his name, order, pleasure and verily render the fruits to him(Satvika Tyaagam). Thus there is absolutely no need for fear (or doubt) of consequence. The fear is out of love and realization, it is actually more of remorse and seeking his mercy like exclaiming............................." With all due respect ladies and gentlemen, I have a little difficulty in understanding the above sentence especially, ...........the fear is out of love and realization....part. A simple question was asked in a down-to-earth fashion expecting a simple answer in defense of the argument. Why do we always have to dance around a simple thing in life cloaking it in a lot of scriptural references? Isn't this tendency of glamorizing everything with esoteric details detrimental to popularizing our sampradayam to the beginners and or youngsters who might be getting interested to know it a little better? And what is wrong in taking a quotation in context from Bhagavadgita which is purported to be the word of Krishna an incarnation of the Lord Narayana Himself? Haven't all the three acharyas of the Sanatana Dharma written extensive commentaries on Bhagavadgita which is perhaps more widely read and understood than any other scriptural wing Veda, Upanishad or any other sectorial literature? Adiyen Narayana Dasan Keshava Prasad Parthasarathy.Sudarsan wrote: > Sri RAmajayam > SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha > > Dear Sri.Rajagopalan, > AdiyEn's views are stated below(closely in line with > Sri.Anand Sampath Kumar and a few other Bhagavathaas) to share AdiyEn's > perception(ignorance) and more relevantly to get more educated on this > topic... > > In general there is nothing wrong in having fear. Fear is a matter of the > servile personality and that itself fosters Seshatvam for being a good > Bhagavatha coupled with San Maargam. Immaterial of whether a person is > learned in SampradAyam or a novice, there is always the recognition that we > are all Sesha Bhutas to the Sarva Seshee, the Supreme, the Divya Dhampathi > Sriman Naarayana. > > For a Sri Vaishnava, however the Fear should not be fear of punishment, as > we have to do everything in his name, order, pleasure and verily render the > fruits to him(Satvika Tyaagam). Thus there is absolutely no need for fear > (or doubt) of consequence. The fear is out of love and realization, it is > actually more of remorse and seeking his mercy like exclaiming..... > > "Oh Lord what a supreme personality you are, you have no need for > anything, leave alone AdiyEn's alpa upachaaras. I do realize I have to > fulfill 40 Samskaaras in this life as per your divine order(Shastras), and > have to perform Ajnyaa Karmas and Anugnya Karmas for getting the immediate > opportunity and joy of serving you. This podiyan is short of those and am > yet doing what AdiyEn am not supposed to do(Bhagavad, Bhaagavatha, AsahyA > Apachaaram). With this realization, AdiyEn am ashamed and fear that I may > do this again. Please bless me with Paripoorna Bhakthi, Jnaana and > Vairaghyam so that I can be a good Sesha Bhutaa to you surrounded by > Bhagavad/Bhaagavad vishayam. Once I renounce this mortal coil, AdiyEn would > not have to fear myself, as I would be liberated from Samsaara by your > mercy, and do eternal Kaimkaryam to you, the Para VAsudEvan extolled in the > Shruthis-Smruthis-Ithihaasas-PurAnas and our beloved Poorvacharyas > Words/deeds/action and form" > > Once again these are AdiyEn's views, and have to be ratified by the wisdom > of those who had learnt at the feet of our Acharyas. > > AdiyEn noticed some free translations from the Bhagavad Geetha, posted by > someone in reply to you, however AdiyEn feel they are not in sync. with Sri > Vaishnava SampradAyic views(especially an apparent translation of Charama > Sloka). > > AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, > > Sudarsana Dasosmi > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to -- MZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Sri RAmajayam SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha Dear Sri.Keshava Prasad, >K P Swami wrote>And what is wrong in taking a quotation in context from Bhagavadgita which is purported to be the word of Krishna an incarnation of the Lord Narayana Himself? Haven't all the three acharyas of the Sanatana Dharma written extensive commentaries on Bhagavadgita which is perhaps more widely read and understood than any other scriptural wing Veda, Upanishad or any other sectorial literature? Swami, quotation from Srimad Bhagavadgita is most appropriate and as Swamin went on to say, many Vedanthins have written Commentaries and explanations(Bhashyam & VykyAnams). However the meaning(free translation) given for Charama Shloka is not in line with the views of Sri Vaishnavam(especially the part where there was a mention "leaving all dharmas..."). "Word for Word translations" as well as numerous Srimad Bhagavad Geetha translations published by non Sri Vaishnava Organizations, falter on crucial shlokas like Charama Shloka. Like ISI quality certification in India, or TUV in Europe, please look for Sri Mukham of Sri Vaishnava acharyas for authenticity of such translations for alignment to Sri Vaishnava SampradAyam. The above way of book knowledge holds good for novices like AdiyEn. As a second step AdiyEn would humbly refer every Bhagavathaa to seek the feet of Sri Vaishnava Acharyas or scholars endorsed by our Sri Vaishnava Acharyas to seek the meaning of Sri Bhagavad Geetha and other Granthaas. Rahasya arthas are normally guarded and imparted only to the souls that seek that knowledge and that too it should be sought/delivered in a sampradAyic way as instructed in the SAstras. This anubhavam is prizeless and has a higher plane of joy/understanding compared to learning from emails/books etc. AdiyEn's two cents on this topic. AdiyEn do apologize if AdiyEn's earlier or current reply seem too complicated/impractical/wrong/offensive. To save some bandwidth, please send AdiyEn a private mail, if you have a specific concern/feedback. AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, Sudarsana Dasosmi KESHAVA B. PRASAD [KESH] Friday, January 04, 2002 3:18 PM Parthasarathy.Sudarsan Cc: brgkns; Re: AdiyEn's views, not qualified for advice Harihi Om ...................."For a Sri Vaishnava, however the Fear should not be fear of punishment, as we have to do everything in his name, order, pleasure and verily render the fruits to him(Satvika Tyaagam). Thus there is absolutely no need for fear (or doubt) of consequence. The fear is out of love and realization, it is actually more of remorse and seeking his mercy like exclaiming............................." With all due respect ladies and gentlemen, I have a little difficulty in understanding the above sentence especially, ...........the fear is out of love and realization....part. A simple question was asked in a down-to-earth fashion expecting a simple answer in defense of the argument. Why do we always have to dance around a simple thing in life cloaking it in a lot of scriptural references? Isn't this tendency of glamorizing everything with esoteric details detrimental to popularizing our sampradayam to the beginners and or youngsters who might be getting interested to know it a little better? And what is wrong in taking a quotation in context from Bhagavadgita which is purported to be the word of Krishna an incarnation of the Lord Narayana Himself? Haven't all the three acharyas of the Sanatana Dharma written extensive commentaries on Bhagavadgita which is perhaps more widely read and understood than any other scriptural wing Veda, Upanishad or any other sectorial literature? Adiyen Narayana Dasan Keshava Prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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