Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Priya Bhagawadbandhuvullara, Srimannarayana Ramanuja Yathibhyo Namaha Srimathay Narayananayanamaha Srimathay Ramanujaya Namaha Jaishrimannarayana Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity as per the paratatva nirnayam done by all our Azhwars again and again and again, Acharyas and many many saints of the past and the present. Still millions of people fall into doubt when it comes to rituals, practices etc; even children of vaishnavites are falling into this doubt trap. So let us all once again list out various facts and statements based on which Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity for one and all to attain non challenging supreme bliss for ever. This Ramanuja Dasa Dasa Dasan now starts to list out a few 1. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who descended on this earth in numerous forms (Dasavataras and many more) and spent a very very long time especially as Lord Rama.(more than 10000 years) and killed numerous demons. He also came as Nara-Narayana and continued for ever there in Sri Badrinath for the benefit of all of us. 2. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who descended on this earth and gave us the total picture of the human being, his duties, aims, ways and means to achieve etc His supreme abode along with His utmost supremacy is spelt out through Srimad Bhagawad Gita which is the only Hindu document that is considered by all on par (if not many more) with the Bible, Quran etc of other religions. 3. Even on the basis of Trinity, Lord Vishnu who all consider as Lord Srimannarayana is the one who sustains this universe. Here too sustenance is the most important every moment of our life; as Creation is already over (though by Lord Brahma who came out from the navel of Lord Vishnu and who just follows the manual 'Vedas' which He often drops and gets back from Lord Vishnu) and annihilation is not of immediate concern ( Though even the annihilator Lord Siva is born from Lord Brahma who is again from the navel of Lord Vishnu). Thus Lord Vishnu who is the sustainer of each and every being is the most important of all deities every moment of our life to be attached with. Aim of all Jeevas is well known to be anyhow to get freedom from cycles of births (Lord Brahma's purview) and deaths (Lord Siva's Purview) 4. Mantra pushpam chanted by all the hindu faiths, mentions 'Antarbahischa tatsarvam Vyapya Narayana Stithaha....', which proves the supremacy of Lord Narayana. He is the smallest of the small and largest of the large, which says He covers everything and everything and everything. 5. Sandhyavandam done by all faiths of hinduism shows purification by Sri Pundareekakshayanamaha, Sri Atchyutayanamaha, Sri Anantayanamaha, Sri Govindaya namaha which are nothing but the names of Lord Vishnu 6. The Sun who is undenyingly called the Pratyaksha Bhagwan for all is called as SuryaNARAYANA. One recognizes or not, each and every being is surviving because of Sri SuryaNarayana only. 7. . Most of the demons or Rakshasas are the devotees of Lord Siva, but killed by the forms of Lord Vishnu, which indicates that Lord Siva do-not/cannot rescue His devotees if they go against Lord Vishnu. 8. Sri Ashtakshari is the only mantra of Lord Narayana called Mantra Rajam and which is the only one that has Sarvavyapakatvam along with built in Omkaram. This is declared by none other than Sri Veda Vyasa who is the author of Srimad Maha Bharatam, Srimad Bhagavatham and all the other puranas. 9. Lord Vishnu had to rescue Lord Shiva numerous times from His own devotees like Bhasmasura, Gajasura etc. Thus Lord Sriman Narayana is to be wedded to be none other than one's own husband by all jeevas (As all the souls are feminine) for one's success. Thus a true wife does ArAdhana of husband only and any other big shot (whatever BIG he is ) she just does Adarana. Such attitude is the only and only singled-out reason for achieving fool-proof success in wife-husband relationship anywhere in the world; so does Atma-Paramatma relationship; and there is no scope for any compromise at all what so ever even for a millionth of a second. Sarvaparadhamulatow KILAMBI RAMAKRISHNA RAMANUJA DASAN Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Dear Sir, I agree with all your statements. Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There is absolutely none who is equal to him. But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or quran. All Vedic literature is divinely revealed and is considered the life breath of Lord Narayana. Bible and quran are inferior heretical books with no comparison to the Vedas. Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion. Thanks, rohit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 I have always enjoyed your postings and they have been excellent. However, I would like to point out one thing. I do not like the use of the word "ritual." The word ritual was coined by the English (Christians) to refer to the sevas (services) we offer in our temples etc. The word ritual denotes (unenthuastic) mechanical performance of work as a duty (without love). We do not perform rituals but we perform sevas (services) with love and affection to the Lord. When we celebrate our children's birthdays or wedding, do we we call these actions as rituals? We don't call these celebrations as rituals since we celebrate the birthdays, weddings etc with love and affection to our children. Similarly, we do not perform rituals in our relegious practices. We do not perform rituals in Tirupathi, but we perform various sevas. To the outsider these actions may appear to be ritualistic, but we perform these services with enthusiasm, we clebrate and enjoy each of these actions. The so called educated (the pseudo educated) have simply copied this terminology from the Christian commentators. However, we should not ourselves refer them as rituals, since they are NOT actually rituals. Another major objection is that you have mentioned that Bhagavad Githa is on par with Bible and Koran. That is demeaning to SrimadBhagavad Githa and its acharya. The Bhavad Githa was told by Lord Krishna who is Bhagavan swayam. On the othher hand, Bible and Koran were told by messengers. Now there is a significant difference here between the Githa and the other books. We Indians (Andhras in particular) have a tendency to significantly elevate other's stuff and put down our own. Perhasp, we Vaishnavas should not be even using the word Trinity. We know with certainity that Lord Sriman Narayana is the supreme and everything including Brhama and Shiva emnated from Him. other with ignirance can use the word. But, I feel that we should not ourself use that word. Other tha the things raised above, your article is excellent. Perhaps, you could add the fact that the Purusa Suktham which is chanted in all the sampradayams, states that the Supreme Purusha is the one who has Hri (Godess of shyness) and Laksmi as his wives (".....hrischyathe Laksmischa pathnow...."). With pranams to Jagadguru Sri Sri Sri Thridandi Sriman Narayana Ramanuja Chinna Jear Swamy, and with all glories to Lord Sri venkateshvara, I remain, Sincerely Narender Reddy reddynp --- Rama Krishna K <kramakrishna wrote: > Priya Bhagawadbandhuvullara, > Srimannarayana Ramanuja Yathibhyo Namaha > Srimathay Narayananayanamaha > Srimathay Ramanujaya Namaha > Jaishrimannarayana > Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity as per the > paratatva nirnayam > done by all our Azhwars again and again and again, > Acharyas and many > many saints of the past and > the present. Still millions of people fall into > doubt when it comes to > > rituals, practices etc; even children of > vaishnavites are falling into > this > doubt trap. So let us all once again list out > various facts and > statements based > on which Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity > for one and all to > attain non challenging supreme bliss for ever. > > > This Ramanuja Dasa Dasa Dasan now starts to > list out a few > > 1. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who > descended on this earth in > > numerous forms (Dasavataras and many more) and spent > a very very long > time especially as Lord Rama.(more than 10000 years) > and killed > numerous demons. He also came as Nara-Narayana and > continued for ever > there in Sri Badrinath for the benefit of all of > us. > > 2. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who > descended on this earth > and gave us the total picture of the human being, > his duties, aims, > ways and > means to achieve etc His supreme abode along with > His utmost supremacy > is spelt out > through Srimad Bhagawad Gita which is the only Hindu > document that is > considered by all on par (if not many more) with the > Bible, Quran etc of > other religions. > > 3. Even on the basis of Trinity, Lord Vishnu who > all consider as Lord > Srimannarayana is the one who sustains this > universe. Here too > sustenance is the most important every moment of our > life; as Creation > is > already over (though by Lord Brahma who came out > from the navel of Lord > Vishnu and who just follows the manual 'Vedas' > which He often drops > and gets back from Lord Vishnu) and annihilation is > not of immediate > concern ( Though even the > annihilator Lord Siva is born from Lord Brahma who > is again from the > navel of Lord Vishnu). Thus Lord Vishnu who is the > sustainer of each > and every being is the most important of all deities > every moment of our > > life to be attached with. Aim of all Jeevas is well > known to be anyhow > to get freedom from cycles of births (Lord Brahma's > purview) and deaths > (Lord Siva's Purview) > > 4. Mantra pushpam chanted by all the hindu faiths, > mentions > 'Antarbahischa tatsarvam Vyapya Narayana > Stithaha....', which proves the > > supremacy of Lord Narayana. He is the smallest of > the small and largest > of the large, which says He covers everything and > everything and > everything. > > 5. Sandhyavandam done by all faiths of hinduism > shows purification by > Sri Pundareekakshayanamaha, Sri Atchyutayanamaha, > Sri Anantayanamaha, > Sri Govindaya namaha which are nothing but the names > of Lord Vishnu > > 6. The Sun who is undenyingly called the Pratyaksha > Bhagwan for all is > called as SuryaNARAYANA. One recognizes or not, > each and every being > is surviving because of Sri SuryaNarayana only. > > 7. . Most of the demons or Rakshasas are the > devotees of Lord Siva, but > killed by the forms of Lord Vishnu, which indicates > that Lord Siva > do-not/cannot rescue His devotees if they go against > Lord Vishnu. > > 8. Sri Ashtakshari is the only mantra of Lord > Narayana called Mantra > Rajam > and which is the only one that has Sarvavyapakatvam > along with built in > Omkaram. This is declared by none other than Sri > Veda Vyasa who is the > author of Srimad Maha Bharatam, Srimad Bhagavatham > and all the other > puranas. > > 9. Lord Vishnu had to rescue Lord Shiva numerous > times from His own > devotees like Bhasmasura, Gajasura etc. > > > Thus Lord Sriman Narayana is to be wedded to be > none other than one's > own husband by all jeevas (As all the souls are > feminine) for one's > success. Thus a true wife does ArAdhana of husband > only and any other > big shot (whatever BIG he is ) she just does > Adarana. Such attitude is > the only and only singled-out reason for achieving > fool-proof success > in wife-husband relationship anywhere in the world; > so does > Atma-Paramatma relationship; and there is no scope > for any compromise at > all what so ever even for a millionth of a second. > > > Sarvaparadhamulatow > > KILAMBI RAMAKRISHNA RAMANUJA DASAN > > > > begin:vcard > n:RAMAKRISHNA;K. RAMAKRISHNA > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > org:BHEL (R&D);Machine Dynamics Laboratory > version:2.1 > email;internet:kramakrishna > title:Sr. Manager > adr;quoted-printable:;;BHEL (R&D), > Vikasnagar;Hyderabad;AP;500 093=3B Phone NO. > 3775878, 3882321, 3882280, FAX:3774630;India > fn:K. RAMAKRISHNA > end:vcard > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Dear SrI Rohit, The superiority or inferiority of ones products are determined by the test of time and the number of people embracing the product. We do not have any right and should not compare others religious materials. That is what is preached to us in our books. I wish to suggest that you tone down your views and also take my suggestions in the right way without getting offended with my views. Suresh --- Rohit Iyer <iyer_rohit wrote: > Dear Sir, > > I agree with all your statements. > Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There is > absolutely none who is equal to him. > > But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad > Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or quran. > All Vedic literature is divinely revealed and is > considered the life breath of Lord Narayana. > > Bible and quran are inferior heretical books with no > comparison to the Vedas. > > Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion. > > > Thanks, > > rohit > > > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Dear SrI Suresh, Thank you for your advice. I am sorry if I sounded too offensive. I actually intended to mean that since the vedic religion is the oldest religion and is sanctioned by Lord SrimanNarayana himself, therefore there is no need to consider other doctrines. I apologize if I hurt anybody's feelings. - rohit --- Suresh Rajagopalan <sureshvr19 wrote: > Dear SrI Rohit, > > The superiority or inferiority of ones products are > determined by the test of time and the number of > people embracing the product. > > We do not have any right and should not compare > others > religious materials. That is what is preached to us > in > our books. > > I wish to suggest that you tone down your views and > also take my suggestions in the right way without > getting offended with my views. > > > > Suresh > --- Rohit Iyer <iyer_rohit wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > > > I agree with all your statements. > > Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There > is > > absolutely none who is equal to him. > > > > But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad > > Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or > quran. > > All Vedic literature is divinely revealed and is > > considered the life breath of Lord Narayana. > > > > Bible and quran are inferior heretical books with > no > > comparison to the Vedas. > > > > Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > rohit > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! > http://auctions. ===== Rohit Iyer email: iyer_rohit Home Phone: (408) 445-9693 Work Phone: (408) 543-6668 Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Rajaram V. Suresh Rajagopalan <sureshvr19 > wrote: Dear SrI Rohit,The superiority or inferiority of ones products aredetermined by the test of time and the number ofpeople embracing the product.We do not have any right and should not compare othersreligious materials. That is what is preached to us inour books.I wish to suggest that you tone down your views andalso take my suggestions in the right way withoutgetting offended with my views.Suresh--- Rohit Iyer <iyer_rohit > wrote:> Dear Sir,> > I agree with all your statements.> Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There is> absolutely none who is equal to him.> > But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad> Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or quran.> All Vedic literature is divinely revealed and is> considered the life breath of Lord Narayana.> > Bible and quran are inferior heretical books with no> comparison to the Vedas.> > Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion.> > > Thanks,> > rohit> > > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions.To from this group, send an email to:Srirangasri-Your use of is subject to the Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Dear Sri Rohit, I refer to the following words mentioned in your posting dated Friday, January 25, 2002 12:12 AM "But please don't compare the all glorious SrimadBhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or quran." While I agree with the sentiments expressed by you in saying "Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion." I would like to place my views relating to what Sri.Rama Krishna.K said and your reply to it. That Sriman Narayana is the Paratathvam is an unimpeachable fact and praising His innumerable Kalyana gunas and preaching His teachings after surrendering ones own soul to Him is the foremost duty of a prapanna. Sri. Rama Krishna is certainly not wrong in saying:Srimad Bhagawad Gita which is the only Hindu document that is considered by all on par (if not many more) with the Bible, Quran etc of other religions. Many great scholars have compared Vedic texts with scriptures of other religions. More over if the words of Sri Rama Krishna is examined carefully, it has been pointed out as to what others think about Srimad Baghavat Gita which is only a factual assertion. Now even accepting for a moment without admitting that the words of Sri Rama Krishna are wrong and in derogation to the name and fame of Srimad Baghavat Gita, your response to it may not be proper. We have the previllage of singing praises to our Lord who is Supreme. Where do we get the liberty to insult others?. If we are true prapannas, we should belive that the Divya Thambadhi reside as antaryami in every jiva regardless of weather he is a muslim, christian etc or it is cattle or sheep., we have no right insult any person in whom the divya thambathi reside. We have full liberty to criticise other philosophies only to compare them with ours and prove that ours is superlative. We have seen adhvaitam come under severe criticism in texts such as 'Satadooshini'etc., but never ever an advaitin was insulted. When ever referrence is made to shankara by our elders, he is referred as Adi Shankara Baghavat Pada justly granting him the respect he deserves though his philosophy was examined threadbare and differed by our acharyaas. Should we not learn this basic etiquette from our elders. After paratatva ninayam in the court of the Pandiya King, when Lord appeared before PeriyAlwaar, ThirupallAndu was sung as mangalaasasanam to Him. PeriyAlwar did not just perform mangalAsAsanam individually or only on behalf of men in his camp alone, he had allowed, aiswaryAthis, KaivalyArthis and others join him and a collective mangalAsAsanam was performed. When we are praising Sriman Narayana here for his Kalyana Gunas why should we leave others aside, whether they join us or not we can always do our work unmindful of them (leving them unhurt as well). It is not our philosophy that we should thrive when others bleed. Are love and grace not the essential qualities of a prapanna? Paratatva nirnayam is performed as our solemn duty. Any duty is done as Sriman Narayana Priyathartham or Kainkaryaroopam. Inulting the sentiments of fellow human beings would seldom be to His Preethi or a Kainkaryam. We would be endearing ourselves to him by such words and acts. The very thought is wrong and so are the choice of words. Let us come closer as His Thondarkulam and march forward while sharing and experiencing His divine athbutha gunams, leaving His other children unhurt and to attain Him in the ways they think are the best for them. Adiyen Baktha Angari Renu Vasu Venkata Raghava Dasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Enough has been said on the topic. In view of Sri Rohit's clarification of his stand, I feel that this discussion can be put behind us. Let us move on to the enjoyment of the Kalyana gunaanubhavam of the Divya Dhampathis. Thanks for your understanding. Anbil Ramaswamy Editor =========== Dear Sri Vasu - The statement that ALL people accept Srimad Bhagavad Gita on par with the Bible or Quran is not true. Most Christians would consider the Bible as supreme and Muslims would consider Quran as Supreme. While Sri Ramakrishna is free to think that it is others opinion and restate it, it is neither others opinion nor true. We have to offer a great deal of respect to Sri Adi Sankara even if we counter advaitam. But we may have to refrain from offering the same respect to some one like the Prophet as his life is very immoral. While it is true that all have to be seen equally on the spiritual plane, we definitely have to make distinction in the material world. The truth, if unpalatable and useless in a context, may not be stated. But truth exists irrespective our statement. After Galileo gave up his theory on solar system under the influence of the Church, he was heard saying, "But they still move". Truth, even if powerless would persist. That is the nature of truth. Was Bible not changed over time by the Church ? Did Mohammed not covet jewish women ? When one criticizes these actions, we are not condemning the antaryami within but the human fraility. Even if we expose the flaws in Bible or Quran and establish their inferiortiy, some sentimentalists would be hurt. But that should not matter at all. How are you sure that no smarta is sentimentally hurt when you condemn Sri Adi Sanakara's philosophy ? We are probably taking a soft attitude towards Christianity and Islam because we live in a predominantly Christian - Islamic world. We dont take the same attitude towards smartas. My intent is not to offend and please forgive if I have offended in any way. Yours humbly Rajaram V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Dear Sirs, I agree with the views expressed in the email referred to. One has to adopt the great qualities preached and practised by Bhagavad Bhashyakara. Sri Bhasyakarar had developed and defended the vishistadvaita siddhanta with great humility and due respect for Sri Bhagavadpada. Because of His kalyanagunas, great Advaitis like Yadava prakasa and Yagnamurthy came under his spell. I have not gone through the previous correspondences. Hence I am not going into the merits of the arguments and counter arguments advanced in support of the either of the parties. However, I am submitting my humble observations about Sri Bhagavadpada in the following lines. Acharya Sankara was a great vaishnavite in the broad sense. He expounded his doctorine of monism on the Vaishnava platform. He wrote commentaries on the works which speak in itself vishnu paratvam. Narayana Bhattathiri had acknowledged and felicitated Acharya Sankara as a great Vaishnavite. Generally, there has been a long time misconception prevails in the minds of Smarthas and Vaishnavites in the tamil land. As a matter of fact, smarthas are not saivites. Any smartha who loves, adores, devotes Lord Vishnu is a vaishnavite. This is at theological level. Let us move into philosophical level. Advaitam, Dwaitam & Vishistadvaitam found their roots in the Vedas, upanishads. Our contention is that the vedic texts found full justice at the lotus hands of Sri Bhashyakara rathar than Sri Anandathirtha and Sri Bhagadvadpada. We should also admit the fact that the contributions of both Acharyas namely, Sri Anandathirtha and Sri Bhagavadpada were in no way inferior to that of Sri Bhashyakara. I could also see the common factors in the siddhantas of Trimatacharyas. Trimatacharyas were true vaishnavites. They defended the Vishnuparatvam in their works. There were differences in analytical interpretation of vedic texts. But their spiritual journey and their discoveries were deeply routed in vishnu bhakti. Like Sri Bhashyakara, Sri Bhagavadpada also made self-surrender (prapatti) to Lord Nrisimha. All these Schools were founded on strong vedic base. Let us not engage ourselves in tiresome arguments. Instead, we may concentrate in understanding our own siddhanta in a better manner and live upto it. With regards, Yours sincerely, R.Parthiban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Thondar Uhakkum Nin Thunai Adi Vaazhi Dear Bhagavathas, I endorse the views of Shri Suresh. Shri Rohit, in his anxiety, has exceeded his brief a bit. It is understandable. Tolerance is the basic mantra of our Religion. Our Poorvacharyas also preached and practised. Then why should we stray? In our own Vaishnava sampradaya, there are lots of difference of opinion. Even now Desika sampradaya practitioners are not recognised in Thennacharya Goshtis in Divya Desams. This is more pronounced in North of Tamil Nadu than South. Though it is prevalent to some extent in South, it is not that rampant as in Northern part of Tamil Nadu. Are we not tolerating ? Many of our Acharyas have tried to build bridges. But, nothing much has happened. However, we eulogise our own sampradaya while at the same not trying to decry the other. We are ill-fit to even think about it. Acharyas of both the Sampradaya (Swami Desikan, Swami Mamuni) have rendered yeoman service to the cause of our philosophy. It is my humble submission that we should try to work in unison and understand each other and eradicate attempts to widen the gulf. After all, the ultimate aim is Paratatva Nirnayam of Lord Sriman Narayanan. Why should we even think of our faiths, while we are yet to set our own house in order. If I am wrong, please pardon me and correct me. Let us all avoid such references and work towards propagation of our Acharyas' teachings and be their true followers. Vachiga doshaha kshanthavyaha Adiyen Srirangam Srinivasa Raghava dasan Azhwar, Emberumanaar, Swami Desikan Thiruvadigalae charanam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Dear friends, Thanks for the information. Let us also remember that Sri Sankaracharya wrote his first commentary on the Vishnu Sahasranama. From my point of view, this itself indicates that he was a devotee of Bhagavan Vishnu. Also if I am not mistaken in one of the puranas it is mentioned that Bhagavan Narayana requested Lord Siva to descend on earth to combat the various anti-vedic schools that had sprung up all over India. This amsa expansion of Lord Siva was Sri Sankaracharya. If someone has the exact quote from the puranas that would be helpfull too. Thanks, rohit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Thondar Uhakkum Ni Thunai Adi Vaazhi Dear Narayana Bakthas One authentic version regarding Shri Rohit Iyer's query is that when Adi Sankara Bhagavat Padaal visited Srinagar (Kashmir), he asked one of his disciples to bring from the Pooja Room the Lalitha Sahasranamam for writing Bashyam. The disciple brought Vishnu Sahasranamam. Adi Sankara chided the disciple and asked him to bring Lalitha Sahasranamam. Again, the disciple brought the Vishnu Sahasranamam. When Adi Sankara enquired as to the reason for bringing Vishnu Sahasranamam instead of Lalitha Sahasranamam, the disciple replied that when he wanted to take Lalitha Sahasranamam, a kanyasthri was directing me to take Vishnu Sahasranamam only. Adi Sankara realised that it was the will of Goddess that he should write Bashyam only for Vishnu Sahasranamam. If any one differs from this view, I may be enlightened. Adiyen Srirangam Srinivasa Raghava dasan Azhwar, Emberumanaar, Swami Desikan Thiruvadigalae charanam > ---------- > Rohit Iyer[sMTP:iyer_rohit] > 28 January 2002 22:56 > parthiban ragavachari; v_raja_ram > Cc: vasu_venkat; kramakrishna; > ; iyer_rohit > Re: Paratatva Nirnayam of Lord Laxmi Narayana > > Dear friends, > > Thanks for the information. > Let us also remember that Sri Sankaracharya wrote his > first commentary on the Vishnu Sahasranama. From my > point of view, this itself indicates that he was a > devotee of Bhagavan Vishnu. > > Also if I am not mistaken in one of the puranas it is > mentioned that Bhagavan Narayana requested Lord Siva > to descend on earth to combat the various anti-vedic > schools that had sprung up all over India. > This amsa expansion of Lord Siva was Sri > Sankaracharya. > > If someone has the exact quote from the puranas that > would be helpfull too. > > Thanks, > > rohit > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Dear Rohit, Yes, Sankara was a devotee of Supreme Lord Narayana. Although Sankara taught impersonal philosophy but he never denied the personal form of the lord. He maintained that the Supereme Lord Narayana is beyond material conception. In Kali yuga to stop the animal sacrifice, the supereme lord appeared as Buddha and rejected the vedas ( Based on Srimad Bhagavatham). The purpose of Sankara's appearance was to mislead the atheist, so he preached the mayavada philosphy (advaita). Yes, in Padma purana and Siva purana, the appearance of Sankara is mentioned. The quote of Padma Purana is as follows where Lord Siva states: mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham ucyate mayaiva kalpitam devi kalau brahmana rupina (In kaliyuga I will appear in form of a brahmana to preach mayavada philosophy to mislead the atheist)- not the direct translation. In Siva Purana, the Supreme Lord says dvaparadau yuge bhutva kalaya manususadisu svagamaih kalpitas tvam ca janan mad vimukhan kuru (In the begining of Dwara yuga, directed by my orders manay sages will bewilder people in general by Mayavada philosophy) - this is still going on and on in Kali yuga. Again in Padma purana, Lord Siva personally tells Parvathi: srnu devi paraksyami tamasi yatha kraman yesam sravana matrena patiyam jnaninam api apartham sruti vakyanam darsayal loka garhitam karma svarupa tyajyatvam atra ca pratipadyate sarva karma paribhramsan naiskarmyam tatra cocyate paratma jivayor aikyam mayatra pratipadyate (My dear Devi, sometimes I teach mayavadi philosophy for those engrossed in the mode of ignorance (tamo guna), but if a person in the mode of goodness (satva guna) happens to hear this, he falls down, for when teaching mayavadi philosophy, I say that the living entity and the supreme lord are one and the same. (The above quotes are taken from Teachings of Lord Chaitanya by Srila Prabupada) Lord Chaitanya (Madhava sampradaya) said mayavadi bhasya sunile haya sarva nasa which means if one hears mayadi bhasya he/she is doomed. Sankara in his last words instructs bhaja govindam, bhaja govindam bhaja govindam mudha mute samprapte sannihite kale na hi na hi raksati dukrn karane (workship govinda, workship govinda fools, all your grammtical knowledge will not save you at the time of death) So Sankara is Lord Siva. Lord Siva himself is the greatest vaisnava. (Vaisnanam yatho samboh) Lord Siva also says at of all types of workship, workship of visnu is the greatest (ardannam sarvesam visnum ardannam param). I hope it answers your questions Rohit. I have answered based on my limeted knowledge on the subject. I know there many scholars/acaryas/bhagavathas who can provide further explanation to the questions. Hope to hear from them. Bala Penang, Malaysia http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/District/9622/resbala.html Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Here is my humble opinion why Bible or quran may not considered as authentic as the Vedic and Agamic literatures. 1. The vedas/Agamas have been preserved for milions of years on this planet in their authentic form. 2. The vedas are sruti and are eternal. The word used is nisvasitam or life breath of Lord Narayana. At the begining of creation they were imparted to Lord Brahma by Sriman Narayana directly in his heart. Then through the parampara system it has been preserved on this planet for eons. Also while the Vedas exist in sound form here on earth (sabda-brahman) they exist in a manifest form in Brahmaloka. 3. Since the vedas are sound energy manifestion of Brahman they are called sabda-brahman. By chanting the mantras in correct intonation the power can be experienced directly. One can have a vision of supernatural forces also, if one is pure enough. The same cannot be said about chanting bible or quran. 4. Bible and quran do not have as strong a tradition of preservation as the vedas. The original bible is said have been written in various languages like Syriac, Aramaic, Hebrew etc. Jesus himself spoke Aramaic. It was later translated to Greek. From Greek to Latin. From Latin to Medieval English. From Medieval English to Modern English. God knows how much of the original "revelation" has been lost in the translation. Mohammed composed his quran largely on the basis of the bible. He translated portions of it to Arabic. Nothing original here. 5. The vedas describe the supreme being as being 3-fold- Brahman, Bhagavan and Paramatman. Brahman is his impersonal, all pervading, infinite form. As Paramatman he is situated in the lotus of the heart in every living being. As Bhagavan he is the supreme personal god Narayana full of glorious attributes. Nowhere in the bible or quran do we find such complete information on the supreme being. All we find are some vague speculations. Hope this helps. Thanks, rohit --- Simhesvara dasa <simhes2001 wrote: > We could probably ask why rohit considers Quaran and > Bible as nonsense when they do speak of GOD. > > Simhes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Dear Sri Balakrishnan, Thank you for the information. It was very helpful. - rohit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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