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Sriman Mahabharatam is considered as a Panchama Vedam i.e., 5th vedam. We

call Na:la:yiram as Dravida Vedam.

 

 

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> 5th Veda? where did this term come from

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>Who was the first person to identify the Tamil Veda or the Vaishnava

>Veda as the 5th Veda

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The question is slightly incorrect. Mahabaratha was termed as 5th veda.

As regards, 4000 hymns of Alwars, it was Sri Nathamuni who initially

compiled all the tamil works of Alwars and presented to the world. Bhagavad

Bhashyakara after having seen the essence of vedas in the sacred tamil works

of Alwars he started using these works as Kalashepa grantha. He directed

his sishyas to write commentaries for these works as he did for

Brahmasutras. It was Swami Vedata Desika who recognised these works at par

with vedas and introudced for daily recitation ( parayanam alongwith veda

parayanam) in Tirumala Hills. The title "Ubhayavedantacharya" was

conferred upon Swami Vedanta Desika by the Goddess Ranganayaki. As Swami

Vedanta Desika was unparallel in all the fields, many acharyas (who later

broadly classifed as vadakalai and thenkalai) were at his lotus feet and

attained Bhagavad Jnana.

 

regards,

 

R. Parthiban

 

 

 

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> 5th Veda? where did this term come from

>Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:20:34 -0000

>

>Who was the first person to identify the Tamil Veda or the Vaishnava

>Veda as the 5th Veda

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>

 

 

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Dear Bhagavatas:

 

The view expressed by Sri Parthiban Ragahavachari is partly correct. It is

Mahabharata that is recognized as the 5th Veda and there is no dispute about

this.

 

Nammazhwar is known as "Vedam Tamizh seitha Maaran". It is he brought the

essnce of the 4 Vedas in his 4 Prabandams. When these were lost to the

world, it was Sriman Nathamuni who documented having assimilated them from

Swami Nammazhwar in a trance. This tradition continued for some time and

again faced a period of decadence during and after the period of Bhagavad

Ramanuja.

 

All the 9 works of Ramanuja are in Sanskrit though they faithfully reflected

the philosphy contained in the Prabandams which in turn were themselves the

replica of the philosophy of the Vedas.Obcviously, this was because of the

intolerance of the people in his times of whatever was not in the Deva

Baasha of Sanskrit.

 

Some orthodox people objected to the recital of Divya Prabanam in Sri Rangam

temple on the grounds that

- they included the works of Non-Brahmin Azhwars

- written in Dravida Baasha and

- Tiruvoimozhi in particular dealt with "Kama" that was taboo for them.

Swami Desika argued with them and convinced them that

- the holy collects were equal to Vedas since they contained all that were

in the Vedas,

- that since they were in praise of the Lord, the language doid not matter

and

- that the "Kaama" spoken of was nothing but absolute devotion to the Lord.

He reinstituted the practice of "Adhyayana Utsava", the ceremonial honoring

of the Azhwars at Srirangam (Not Tirumalai as made out by Sri Parthiban).

 

Again, it was not Swami Desika who first recognized the equality of Vedas

and Prabandas, though it was he who convincingly argued and established this

as mentioned in the above incident.

Dasoham

Anbil Ramaswamy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Australian reader asked a simple question which may deserve a simple

answer regarding Tamil Vedam. In my private mail to this reader I have given

the pramaanams. Because of the continued dialog on this I am tempted to write

the following. Nammazhwar's Thiruvadi, Madhurakavigal declares in his Kanninun

Siruthombu.....Arulinaan avvaru-maraiyin porul......Vedatthin utporul.....thus

establishing the Tamil Vedam. The Thanian to Madhurakavigal refers to Azhwar as

.....Vedam thamizh seyda... Sriman Nathamuni's thanian to Nammazhwar says

....Draavida VedaSagaram. EaswaraMunigal's Thanian to Azhwar says ...Arumaraigal

andaadi seidan. Again Anandaazhwan's tribute to Azhwar says ..Sen-Thamizh

Vedam tharikkum... Our Periya Bhattar in no uncertain term declares.. Aandra

Thamizh Maraigal aayiramum... Thus the Achaarya paramparai right from the

Azwar's time is showing us what is Tamizh Vedam.

 

Srimad Ramayanam is Vedam itself and hence the other ithihaasam takes the place

of 5th vedam. Periya Bhattar in his invocation to Sahasranaama Bhaashyam says

.....Mahabharatha Panchama..

 

K. P. Sarathy

 

 

 

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