Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Who was the first person to identify the Tamil Veda or the Vaishnava Veda as the 5th Veda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 Sriman Mahabharatam is considered as a Panchama Vedam i.e., 5th vedam. We call Na:la:yiram as Dravida Vedam. >"umm1au" <umm > > 5th Veda? where did this term come from >Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:20:34 -0000 > >Who was the first person to identify the Tamil Veda or the Vaishnava >Veda as the 5th Veda > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 The question is slightly incorrect. Mahabaratha was termed as 5th veda. As regards, 4000 hymns of Alwars, it was Sri Nathamuni who initially compiled all the tamil works of Alwars and presented to the world. Bhagavad Bhashyakara after having seen the essence of vedas in the sacred tamil works of Alwars he started using these works as Kalashepa grantha. He directed his sishyas to write commentaries for these works as he did for Brahmasutras. It was Swami Vedata Desika who recognised these works at par with vedas and introudced for daily recitation ( parayanam alongwith veda parayanam) in Tirumala Hills. The title "Ubhayavedantacharya" was conferred upon Swami Vedanta Desika by the Goddess Ranganayaki. As Swami Vedanta Desika was unparallel in all the fields, many acharyas (who later broadly classifed as vadakalai and thenkalai) were at his lotus feet and attained Bhagavad Jnana. regards, R. Parthiban >"umm1au" <umm > > 5th Veda? where did this term come from >Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:20:34 -0000 > >Who was the first person to identify the Tamil Veda or the Vaishnava >Veda as the 5th Veda > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 Dear Bhagavatas: The view expressed by Sri Parthiban Ragahavachari is partly correct. It is Mahabharata that is recognized as the 5th Veda and there is no dispute about this. Nammazhwar is known as "Vedam Tamizh seitha Maaran". It is he brought the essnce of the 4 Vedas in his 4 Prabandams. When these were lost to the world, it was Sriman Nathamuni who documented having assimilated them from Swami Nammazhwar in a trance. This tradition continued for some time and again faced a period of decadence during and after the period of Bhagavad Ramanuja. All the 9 works of Ramanuja are in Sanskrit though they faithfully reflected the philosphy contained in the Prabandams which in turn were themselves the replica of the philosophy of the Vedas.Obcviously, this was because of the intolerance of the people in his times of whatever was not in the Deva Baasha of Sanskrit. Some orthodox people objected to the recital of Divya Prabanam in Sri Rangam temple on the grounds that - they included the works of Non-Brahmin Azhwars - written in Dravida Baasha and - Tiruvoimozhi in particular dealt with "Kama" that was taboo for them. Swami Desika argued with them and convinced them that - the holy collects were equal to Vedas since they contained all that were in the Vedas, - that since they were in praise of the Lord, the language doid not matter and - that the "Kaama" spoken of was nothing but absolute devotion to the Lord. He reinstituted the practice of "Adhyayana Utsava", the ceremonial honoring of the Azhwars at Srirangam (Not Tirumalai as made out by Sri Parthiban). Again, it was not Swami Desika who first recognized the equality of Vedas and Prabandas, though it was he who convincingly argued and established this as mentioned in the above incident. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 The Australian reader asked a simple question which may deserve a simple answer regarding Tamil Vedam. In my private mail to this reader I have given the pramaanams. Because of the continued dialog on this I am tempted to write the following. Nammazhwar's Thiruvadi, Madhurakavigal declares in his Kanninun Siruthombu.....Arulinaan avvaru-maraiyin porul......Vedatthin utporul.....thus establishing the Tamil Vedam. The Thanian to Madhurakavigal refers to Azhwar as .....Vedam thamizh seyda... Sriman Nathamuni's thanian to Nammazhwar says ....Draavida VedaSagaram. EaswaraMunigal's Thanian to Azhwar says ...Arumaraigal andaadi seidan. Again Anandaazhwan's tribute to Azhwar says ..Sen-Thamizh Vedam tharikkum... Our Periya Bhattar in no uncertain term declares.. Aandra Thamizh Maraigal aayiramum... Thus the Achaarya paramparai right from the Azwar's time is showing us what is Tamizh Vedam. Srimad Ramayanam is Vedam itself and hence the other ithihaasam takes the place of 5th vedam. Periya Bhattar in his invocation to Sahasranaama Bhaashyam says .....Mahabharatha Panchama.. K. P. Sarathy Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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