Subject: Is not God above desire? Why then a desire for "Leela"?

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Priya Bhagawatas,

Jai Srimannarayana

 

Re: Is not God above desire? Why then a desire for "Leela"?

 

With the samskaram provided by our esteemed acharyas the following

points come to adiyen's mind to supplement the reasonable clarification

given by Sriman Narender Reddy garu.

 

As already stated, since time immemorial we are in this cycle of births

and deaths out of our own making. Lord Srimannarayana out of his

infinite mercy just facilitates the functioning of the leela vibhooti

to enable us to get released at the earliest.

As an approximate illustration :--

Paramatma is like a University which facilitates the students to attain

a degree. It does not have any bias (True University) towards anybody.

Based on the performance of the students in the examinations it declares

a student as pass or fail. It gives the students chances again and

again to appear for the examination. It does not have any desires to

pass some students and fail some students. It just facilitates the

students to attain degrees out of their own merit.

 

Similarly Paramatma simply operates His leela vibhooti to

facilitate the Baddha jeevis to get released to attain supreme bliss

only out of His infinite mercy.

 

The only difference between a University and Paramatma is 'University

and degree are separate and examinations are the means to achieve a

degree from University' whereas 'Paramatma is the supreme bliss or

the goal and the only means to supreme bliss is Paramatma Himself

which is through total saranagati to Him by thoughts, words and deeds

and that can be easy through our acharya parampara"

 

Jai Srimannarayan

Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan

 

 

Message: 6

Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:29:21 -0800 (PST)

Narender Reddy <reddynp

Re: Is not God above desire? Why then a desire for "Leela"?

 

Dear Bhagavatas:

The point raised, I believe, is that God has no need to "desire".

(avaapta samasta kaama:).Why should he "desire" anything at all?.

Does this not amount to God's deriving a sadistic pleasure in making

jeevas to play a role and seek to torment them for such role

if does not fit into his regimen (Sastras)

This has not been answered.

Can anyone address this specific question?

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Jai Sriman Narayana!

 

We are the children of God (Sriman Narayana). He is

all potent and independent. However, we the jiva

athmas are dependent on Him. This Leela Vibhoothi

(play ground for God), is like an amusement park for

us and this amusement park (Leela Vibhoothi) provides

us with a false sense of independence and transient

(temporary) happiness. Although the sastras do not

point out why we are here, they point out that we have

been here since time immemorial. My feeling is that we

wanted to visit this like children want to visit a

magic show or some ammusement park. Some times a child

may want to dress like the presedent and imitate him,

or dress like the mother and imitate her, etc.

 

At the beginning when we entered our first body for

the first time, we perhaps did not get attached to the

body but later we got attached to the body after

living in it for some time. Then the karma came in,

we have been going through thousands of bodies and

life cycles.

We are supposed to be instruments of God, mere actors

but we got attached to the characters and fell in to

the bounds of karma. I heard of a story about a play

in which the person who was playing as Lakshmana got

so immersed into the play that he physically cut the

nose of the actor who was playing as surpanaka. If the

plays directed by orinary humans can be such immersing

then think of how immersing can be the play of Lord

Sriman Narayana. Only He can show our real identyity

and guide us out.

 

The question at this point should be how to get out of

it, rather than how we got into it. The portion of the

Vedas in the leela vibhoothi therefore do not talk

about how we got into this samsara; they only talk

about how we can get out of samsara.

 

In the service of Lord Sri Venkateswara, I remain,

 

Sincerely

Narender Reddy

 

 

--- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil wrote:

> Dear Bhagavatas:

>

> "Jaya Krishna" <jkdevaki

> has posted this interesting question. I would

> request the members to provide

> a suitable answer to the query. Thanks.

> Dasoham

> Anbil Ramaswamy

>

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>

> Om Namo NaArayanaya

>

> Dear Devotees,

>

> I introduce myself as a Graduate from IIT Madras and

> have been working with

> TCS. I hail from a Vasihnavite family.

>

> Much as I tried to understand the Tatva of Lord, my

> thoughts are coming to

> halt at a point.

>

> I understood that we need to pray God (Bhakthi) and

> surrender (prapatti)

> ourselves at His Holy feet. He removes all the

> difficulties of SamsaAra

> (Death and Rebirth) and makes us as His eternal

> servants in the Paramapada

> to enjoy the permanant bliss.

>

> My doubt is...what might be the reason for this

> Entire Creation/Destruction

> of God. If we assume this (creation/destruction) as

> God's 'Iccha' or

> 'Leela', being God, He himself should not have any

> desires as He is 'poorna

> purusha'! Is n't it? Hence, if there is no

> creation at all, there arises

> no question of destruction, clinging of our souls in

> Samsara and other

> things. He creates us, makes us to enjoy the 'karma

> phalam', realise Him and

> then do service to Him. Why God is doing all this?

> Why the souls are being

> placed (in the body) and destroyed (removed from the

> body) repeatedly due to

> Karma? Why can't God stop this creation at some

> point of time so that no

> question of Karma/Liberation of souls would not

> arise?

>

> I may be asking this question out of sheer ignorance

> as am a

> beginner/learner of Sri Vaishnava Samparadayam.

> Please correct me in this

> regard. Adiyen humbly requests all the devottes to

> help him in this regard.

>

> Pranamams,

>

> Jayakrishna DaAsan.