RE: Fwd: On God?s desire.

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Vignapanam.

 

The argument of Sri Kaasyapah is not correct as per Sri Bhashyakara's

theory.

 

The observation by Sri Kaasyapah "it is possible to have a knowledge only

with a body" is not correct. Jivatma's swaroopa (dharmi) is 'dharmi-gnanam'

and swabhava (dharmam) is 'dharmabootha-gnanam'. Knowledge is acquired

through the later one. The later one is nothing to do with body and it is

part of jivatma. In pralayAvatsa the dharmabhootha-gnanam is zero making the

chit to look alike with achit. In moksha avasta it is total as with

Paramatma. There is a lot of difference between achit and like-achit.

 

The other observation "Though Jivatma is also a jaana svarupi he could not

put forth his knowledge with out a body" is also not correct. Only in baddha

stage we require karana-kalebara to acquire knowledge. Jeeva need not have

to have body to express/pray anything to god because paramatma is 'sarvgna'.

Even 'prapatti' is nothing to do with the body. 'Prapattiyavatu oru gnana

vikasa vishesham'. that is: prapatti is one special change of state of

'dharmabhootha gnanam'. We get it becuase of a unique 'sukruta vishesham'.

 

In fact we (baddha) jeeva got this samsara due to a change of state in

"dharmabhootha gnanam" ONLY and when we did not have karmakruta body. This

is the first root cause for our samsara. (...kalusha mathi: avindhan kinkar:

- swami desikan in rahasyatrayasara). When this happened and how we got that

agnanam is accepted as 'anadhi' in our sampradaya.

 

In moksha avasta the jeeva don't require karana ('acakshu: pasyan...').

Janana swaroopam (dharmi-gnanam) is nothing todo with either

giving/acquiring knowledge. It is the dharmabootha-gnanam's role. There is

no difference in the state of dharmabhootha gnanam of jeevatmas and

paramatma in the moksha state. That is why liberated jeeva has all the

anubhavam that of paramatma (bhogamatra samyalingacch - brahmasutram). the

only exception is that jeevas' totality of dharmabhootha-gnanam is under the

full control of paramatma.

 

dasan sridharan

 

 

Ram Anbil [Ramanbil]

Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:12 AM

Srirangasri

Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: On God?s desire.

 

 

Dear Bhagavatas:

Somehow, the following message of the member did not appear in the

website.Hence, forwarded.

Dasoham

Anbil Ramaswamy

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>vedanta desikan <kavitaarkikasimhan

>Ram Anbil <Ramanbil

>Re: Fwd: Re: On God's desire.

>Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:30:53 +0000 (GMT)

>

>

>Respected Swamin,

>I wish to answer sri Srikanth.

>The first para in your question is quite right. To quote Swami Desika here

>Acidavisistan pralaye...... Dayasatakamslokam no 17

>From the above sloka its clear that Ji vatma is as good as a achit during

>pralaya.

>so as wish is also a kind of knowledge it is possible to have a knowledge

 

>only with a body.Though Jivatma is also a jaana svarupi he could not put

>forth his knowledge with out a body.So jivatma can not pray to God -not to

>give him a body.

>After getting the body by God's grace he is supposed to try for

>liberation.If he tries it in the right manner (that is by doing

saranagati),

 

he will become a beloved for God and

He will see him to attain Moksha

>I hope I am clear

>daasan

>Kaasyapah

 

 

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