Re:(SRS) English Man's Prappatti

[Guest guest]

At 07:31 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote:

>

>Dear Sri Sadagopan -

>The account of Eri Katha Ramar and how Colonel Place could get the Lord's

causeless mercy brought renewed conviction in the power of surrender. When

the pastimes of the Lord can be tied to a physical location known to us and

to a recent time, then it seems so much more real. If you know more such

accounts, please post them.

>With Best Regards

>Rajaram V.

 

 

Dear SrI Rajaram :

 

Thanks for your note.

 

The author of the above excellent article is

SrIman Sadagopan Iyengar of Coimbatore

and not myself. I know there is a lot

of confusion on this matter , when both of us

have the same name and spell it the same way .

The differnetiating factor is the suffix of Iyengar

at the end of the name "Sadagopan ".

 

My parents named me "Sadagopan " because I was born

during Panguni Kettai. Our family belongs to AhObila Matam

and my parents chose that special Name "Sadagopan " because

Adhi VaNN SaThakOpa Jeeyar's birth star is Kettai.

 

By the way , the manner in which I spell my name

(ref: the harsh Comment of SrI Hari MadabhUshi

SaarangarAjan of Singapore on this subject of spelling it

as "Sadagopan " instead of "SaThakOpan " in response to

our dear Sri Malolan Cidamabi's well meant note on

the essay of SrI Sadagopan Iyengar) is this:

 

As a school age child , I got used to writing my

name as "Sadagopan " because it was easier instead of

"Satakopan " or "SaThakOpan " and that version (Sadagopan)got

stuck in birth certificate , school records and Passport

et al. I would prefer to spell my name as " SaThakOpan "

but is not possible now unless I change it officially.

I thank SrI Hari's justifiably angry pronouncement

on this matter . I am going to leave however

the spelling of my name as it is in the official documents

but will sign off as "SaThakOpan " in sampradhAyic

postings , whenever possible .

 

Meanwhile , I wish I had a little of

SrIman Sadagopan Iyengar's writing

skills and sampradhAyic knowledge.

 

My prayers are for SrI Sadagopan Iyengar's

erudite contributions to grow further and

further to inform , entertain and educate

devotees at all levels for many many years

and therby share his vast knowledge on our

revered and ancient tradition.

 

Another link I cherish with SrIman Sadagopan Iyengar

of Coimbatore is that he had portions of VedAdhyayanam

with my father , Vaikunta Vaasi ,PoundarIkapuram Tattai

VaradAchAr Swamy of Oppiliappan Sannidhi .

 

NamO NaarAyaNAya ,

"SeelamillA SiRiyOn " Sadagopan

[Guest guest]

Dear sirs,

 

If I don't hurt anybody, I would like to add some points here:

 

In my limited study of the works of alvars, I see that they only use

tamil-equivalents to the sanskrit names/terms. They don't use the

exact Sanskrit names. At the very first instance,

I could not understand what the term "Irudikesan" used in the very

highly regarded "tirupallandu" meant. There are many many examples

from the works of alvars like this.

 

I remember that somebody wrote on "amaraprabhu" and "maraprabhu"

story in some of the lists.

 

Is it not just enough to meditate on the acharya/alvar or the Lord

Himself when a name or its equivalent is heard?

 

Or is it nice to concentrate only on the name and its mis-spelling

and expose your erudition and hidden ego. If you want to do so, it is

upto you. If you are hurt with this, then think of those who were

hurt by your posting.

 

Apart from these, if a "bhagavata" was hurt in this way, is this not

a great mistake or as you would like to call it "Bhagavata apacharam"?

 

I do not know where the other bhagavata commented on the

name "sadagopan".But in my humble opinion, that bhagavata has

committed a great mistake.

 

While writing this, I would like to thank to the many humble

bhagavatas for their excellent services, which helped me a lot to

change myself.

 

Another request to the Bhagavata "sadagopan". Please don't confuse

yourself. Please continue with your existing name. It is easy for me

to pronounce.

 

I'm really sorry to intervene. But I thought it is needed indeed.

 

 

Thanking you,

 

G.Weichner

 

..> As a school age child , I got used to writing my

> name as "Sadagopan " because it was easier instead of

> "Satakopan " or "SaThakOpan " and that version (Sadagopan)got

> stuck in birth certificate , school records and Passport

> et al. I would prefer to spell my name as " SaThakOpan "

>

[Guest guest]

>I remember that somebody wrote on "amaraprabhu" and "maraprabhu"

>story in some of the lists.

 

>Is it not just enough to meditate on the acharya/alvar or the Lord

>Himself when a name or its equivalent is heard?

 

The Alwars and so do the nayanmArs use the purest of Tamizh. Tamizh

is not antithetical to Sanskrit. Britan already tried to divide and

conquer on the basis of language. Unfortunately for the British and

other christian academics, the Indians did not use a single weapon to

drive away Britannia.

 

Apart from political and historical wranglings, Nammazhwar among the

alwars, Thirumoolar among the nayanmArs and Mannickavasagar in the

pannirandAm thirumurai have clearly established the sacred status of

Samskrutam or the perfected tongue.

 

Coming back to your question, no it is not completely enough to

meditate on the Acharya or the Alwar or the LORD himself when a name

is heard. One SHOULD understand what that word means. One has been

blessed with intellect by Lord Hayagriiva himself. Even if it takes

time to learn, it is always good. Adhyaya(learning) should always be

an eternal process, so declare the vedas themselves.

 

>Or is it nice to concentrate only on the name and its mis-spelling

>and expose your erudition and hidden ego. If you want to do so, it

>is upto you. If you are hurt with this, then think of those who were

 

>hurt by your posting.

 

>Apart from these, if a "bhagavata" was hurt in this way, is this not

 

>a great mistake or as you would like to call it "Bhagavata

>apacharam"?

 

There are certain rules for who is bhagavata and who is not. A

Bhagavata is not some one who merely worships god. One is a Sri

Vaishnava not by the dint of birth, but only after pancha-samskAram.

 

After pancha-samskAram one has to understand what bhara-nyAsam means

and follow it as per the angA-s. If one does this, then only that one

can be considered a "bhagavata".

 

A Bhagavata is certainly not one who has not completely understood

these beliefs.

 

And, while in jAlpa (which is a type of an arguement), one is subject

to nyAya and tarka (rigorous mathematical formalism and logic). One

has to understand the Sri Sooktham-s and the prasthAna-trayam and the

entire corpus of the hindu canon on basis of nyAyam and tarkam.

 

Also in addition to the nyAyam and tarkam, one has to use extensively

the Niruktam which contains etymology.

 

There is however exception to who is a bhagavata. I qoute one of my

mentors at this point:

 

http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jul98/0044.html

 

I hope i have made myself clear in this matter. I encourage further

discussion with the acceptance of the moderator on in private

otherwise. I would however take time to reply since my college is

starting on monday.

 

nama: sarva RNa vimocanAya nArAyaNAya,

(Oh Sriman-nArayana, I beseech you to clear the debts of all!)

 

Regards,

 

Malolan Cadambi

Austin,TX

 

 

 

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