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Dear sri Malolan

"morever i have also heard that KAMBAR who wrote ramayana in

tamil ALSO staged his ramayana here"

this is what i have sent in my mail...what i said was kambar also also also

staged ramayana here..i know about srirangam and lord narasihma statue there it

is also believed that narasihma shook his head for appreciation when kambar

staged ramayana in srirangam

and my name is venkata krishnan not venkata raman

regards

venkata krishnan

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There are 6 messages in this issue.

 

Topics in this digest:

 

1. re : englishman prappatiu

venkata krishnan

2. English Man's Prappatti

Rajaram Venkataramani

3. mati -- acharam

Raman Kannan

4. New Upload: SlOkas 31-45 of Chapter 4 of SrIvEmkaTESa mAhAtmyam

"vara12sreerama "

5. Kamba Ramayanam

Malolan R Cadambi

6. "The Senior Citizen"

"sadagopaniyengar"

 

 

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Message: 1

Mon, 6 Jan 2003 05:40:22 -0800 (PST)

venkata krishnan

re : englishman prappatiu

 

dear srivaishnavas

Being born at madhurantagam i am happy to hear

this event(not story) again and again...i have heard

it no of times from my grandma but still i feel

immense pleasure in hearing this...i also have a

another information

Only in this place MOOLA RAMAR is holding the

hand of his beloved wife SITA..this happened when

RAVANA VATHAM was over and inorder to give darshan to

a maharishi he got down from pusphaka vimana ...so he

gives his hand as a support to get down...morever i

have also heard that KAMBAR who wrote ramayana in

tamil also staged his ramayana here. so those who are

in and around chennai dont forget to visit "eri katha

RAMAR " and get his divine blessings

 

the temple is a big one with hanuman welcoming us by

the side of temple tank and on entering we can see the

 

MOOLA RAMAR with all his brothers....thayar sannidi as

said is near to temple built by ENglish

man...recently they have constructed chakratarvar

sannidi....TEMPLE thER(CAR) festival is very famous

and draws crowd from neighbouring villages....

 

 

sadly this place doesnt appear in 108 divya

desams...

 

 

ERIKATHA RAMAR ELLORAYUM KAKAttum

 

venkata krishnan

 

 

 

 

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>

> Message: 2

> Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:13:13 -0500

> "LakshmiNarasimhan SrinivasaRaghavan"

>

> Re: "An Englishman's Prapatthi"

>

> Dear Sri. Sadagopan Iyengar

>

> Your account of the Englishman's Prappathi was

> enthralling to read. Adiyen

> has a small story to add to this prapatti.

>

> 1. Lakes (Eri) in villages are used for irrigation,

> bathing, drinking, etc.

> etc in olden days. Even now, Madurantakam Eri is

> surrounded by 25 villages

> and all these villages depend on this eri very much.

> In short any lake

> protects its villages. Similarly Swami Ramanuja

> protects everyone. So, Swami

> Ramanuja is an "Eri" too. As Swami Ramanujacharya

> got his panchasamaskaram

> under a tree (which is behind Andal Sannidhi in the

> temple) from Sri

> PeriyaNambigal in this temple, this Rama saved our

> Ramanuja by having his

> panchasamaskaram done at Madurantakam. Hence, this

> Raman is none other than

> "Eriyagiya Ramanujanai Katha Raman". Adiyen

> remembers this story from one

> who was doing kaimkaryam in Sri Ramanujar Sannidhi

> at Madurantakam. If there

> any mistakes in the story, please accept my

> apologies.

>

> 2. Only in this kshetram, Swami Ramanuja will be

> wearing "Silver White

> Veshti" as at the time of having panchasamaskaram ,

> our acharyan was still a

> gruhasthan. Beside him is present his acharyan, Sri

> Periya Nambigal.

>

> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

> Lakshminarasimhan S.

>

>

>

>

>

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> Srimathe Lakshminrusimha divya pAduka sevika

> srivan satakopa Sri Narayana Yathindra MahadesikAya

> Namaha

>

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>

>

>

>

>

> >"sadagopaniyengar"

>

> >""

>

>,,"bhakti-list"

>

> >,"tiruvengadam"

> >,"Oppiliappan"

> >,"radha jagannathan"

> >,"j.srinivasan"

> >,"cs.srinivasan"

> ,"padmaja"

> >,"mythily ramadesikan"

>

> >CC: "sadagopaniyengar"

> > "An Englishman's Prapatthi"

> >Sat, 4 Jan 2003 23:02:22 +0530

> >

> >

> >Srimate SrivanSatakopa Sri Vedanta Desika Yatindra

> Mahadesikaya nama:

> >

> >

> >

> > An Englishman's Prapatthi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It was pouring cats and dogs. The

> Rain-God was on a destruction

> >spree, and all fields bearing crop ripe for harvest

> were submerged. If the

> >crop continued to be under water for a couple of

> days more, the grain would

> >sprout, dashing the growers' hopes of a bountiful

> harvest and condemning

> >farmers to another year of abject poverty. The

> flowing rainwaters had not

> >spared dwellings too, and they were under a foot of

> water. Cattle, chicken,

> >and other helpless creatures stood drenched,

> finding no dry place to take

> >shelter in. Children cried in hunger and were

> hushed by the miserable

> >parents, who could find no dry twig or leaves for

> lighting a fire and

> >making food. The strong, icy wind pierced the skin

> like needles and made

> >everyone shiver.

> >

> >

> >

> > The majority of the village people were

> sheltered in the Rama temple at

> >the center of the village, towering high and mighty

> against the night sky.

> >The temple was however no perfect haven, for the

> roof, left uncared for

> >decades, was leaking. Rain drops which insinuated

> themselves through the

> >sieve-like roof did not spare even the majestic

> Lord, with the Kodhandam in

> >His hand and holding Piratti's hand with His other,

> in a depiction of the

>

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Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Srimathe Srinivasa Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

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ANNA UNIVERSITY ,COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GUINDY

 

 

 

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Message: 2

Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:31:37 -0800 (PST)

Rajaram Venkataramani

English Man's Prappatti

 

 

Dear Sri Sadagopan -

The account of Eri Katha Ramar and how Colonel Place could get the Lord's

causeless mercy brought renewed conviction in the power of surrender. When the

pastimes of the Lord can be tied to a physical location known to us and to a

recent time, then it seems so much more real. If you know more such accounts,

please post them.

With Best Regards

Rajaram V.

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 3

Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:06:11 -0800 (PST)

Raman Kannan

mati -- acharam

 

In gita cleaniness is identified by THE ACHARYAN

as a desirable trait

 

acharya upasanam saucam sathiryam athma vinigraha

saucam here is cleaniness.

 

Therefore it is adiyen's humble opinion that everyone

must adhere to any habit that improves cleaniness and

hygiene.

 

with acharam and mati that we have been discussing

the problem occurs when we start to think less of

another who is (for whatever reason) not endowed

with cleaniness or desire to keep clean.

 

This birth of the ego (I am clean and this other

person is not clean) that allows discord to prop up.

We have also forgotten the indweller in the other

person.

 

As long as we do not develop a holier than thou

attitude but are very steadfast in cleaniness

inside/outside there is no harm and can only be

healthy.

 

acharam and mati have become words of derison

only because some practitioners misbehaved with

others who are less fortunate.

--

anandavalli dasan

 

--- Visu9 wrote:

> /namastE Shri Mukund.

>

> I think we can get a better understanding of /acAram

> and /maTi if we try to capture the basic ideas

> behind it. One way to do this is to look at the

> meaning of these words. What do these words mean?

> Are there English equivalents or are these ideas

> unique to us?

>

> Let me attempt by beginning with the word /maTi.

>

> A relevant meaning for /maTi is "retreat" or

> "withdrawal". The word comes from /maTittal --- to

> fold. We fold a paper; that is /maTittal. What

> happens? The full-size has become half-size. The

> paper has been withdrawn from its full use.

>

> Retreat is a religious idea seeking withdrawal from

> the world to be in unuion with God for a few minutes

> or a few days. Catholics practice /maTi, when they

> enter into retreat every year --- even children. No

> talk for most of the day. Only reading.

>

> The word /maTi has negative use too! You must

> withdraw of course routinely, not for ever! When

> you do that you are a /maTayan, one who has

> separated himself or hesrelf from reality of the

> world. He or she has built an isoalted world good

> only for hin or her. That is /maTayan. A very god

> example is given by /maHA/kavi subramanya

> bhAratiyAr. /mAtar tammai iZivu ceyyun maTamaiyaik

> koZuttuvOm. That is a stupid isolation of women from

> public life until Gandhiji came.

>

> There is a pleasnat use of the word /maTi. Women are

> iften bashful. Let a boy of 16 0r 16 tell a little

> girl of 14 how pretty she is. She is going to fold.

> She is a /maTantai. A /maTantai is a woman slim

> enough to be able to fold! (Sorry, not putting down

> others; I cannot change the meaning of words!).

>

> I hope it is clear to you that /maTi in the sense of

> "retreat" is good for all of us. What we need to do

> is to get expand the current concept of /maTi to one

> where people reamin in "retreat camps" For example,

> /gItai maTi will be an occasion for people to fold

> into the /gItA.

>

> /vantanam.

>

> Visu

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Message: 4

Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:29:10 -0000

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New Upload: SlOkas 31-45 of Chapter 4 of SrIvEmkaTESa mAhAtmyam

 

Namasthe

Please see the newly uploaded SlOkAs 31-45 of Chapter 4 on the

SrIvEmkaTESa mAhAtmyam webpage:

http://www.geocities.com/vara12sreerama/Baktirasa/vemkatesa1.htm

Om tat sat Om tat sat Om tat sat

Regards

Sree Sistla

 

 

 

 

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Message: 5

Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:41:39 +0000 (GMT)

Malolan R Cadambi

Kamba Ramayanam

 

Sri

Nammazhwar Thiruvadigale Sharanam!

 

Dear Sri Venkata Raman,

 

Pardon me for interjecting. Kamba Ramayanam had it's 'arangetram' in

Srirangam not Madurantakam. Kambar also composes Sadagopar Anadadi in

praise of Nammalwar.

 

Regards,

 

Malolan Cadambi

 

 

 

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Message: 6

Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:01:42 +0530

"sadagopaniyengar"

"The Senior Citizen"

 

 

Srimate SrivanSsatakopa Sri Vedanta Desika Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

 

 

 

The Senior Citizen

 

 

 

Ageing is a continuous process. Every day we grow a little older. The

progression is so slow and inconspicuous that we realize our having aged, only

when the neighbour's small boy starts calling us "ThAtthA", instead of the

customary "MamA" that we are used to. Age simply creeps up on us like a slow,

inexorable and incurable disease.

 

 

 

Sri Dasarata was aware of age having caught up with him only when he detected a

white hair on his head.

 

We see others, our relatives or acquaintances, slowly being transformed from

youth to the prime of their lives and thereafter to old age: but even the

obvious ageing of our contemporaries does not arouse in us the realisation that

we too are getting older. Many people have a curious reluctance to acknowledge

the advance of age, and continue to retain the vestiges of youth by artificially

clinging on to the original colour of their hair and facial vegetation.

Instances are also not infrequent, of people going in for cosmetic surgeries to

hang on to the appearance of youth, even in middle or old age. All these,

however, can at best be temporary palliatives, which appear to delay the onset

of old age.

 

 

 

The socially correct terminology for an aged person is "Senior Citizen", which

expresses society's regard for the elderly man and its acknowledgement of his

past contributions. It is interesting to note that Shastras use the term

"Seniority" to mean more things than just old age.

 

The Sanskrit word "Vriddha:" refers to an old person. The term "Vriddha:" is

used in three senses in Srimad Ramayanam.

 

 

 

The first usage is in the obvious sense, of age-"VayO vriddha:". It is said that

Sri Dasarata's reign lasted sixty thousand years. And only when he espied grey

hairs on his head did Sri Dasarata became concerned at his lack of progeny to

carry on the distinguished line of succession in the IkshvAku Dyansty.

 

When a person gracefully accepts the advance of old age and accordingly adopts a

suitable lifestyle, he invites the respect and regard of all around him, who

look up to him for guidance and moral support. It should be realised that old

people carry with them a lifetime of experience, that comes to one only with

age. During this lifetime, they see, hear and experience so much that they

become a walking encyclopaedia of do's and don'ts. The joint family system, when

in vogue, had much to offer, as the elders in the family were able to guide the

young ones in all sorts of tricky situations calling for moral and material

judgement. The aged members of the family were especially careful in ensuring

that their descendants did not commit the same mistakes as they did, thus

preventing the young ones from learning things the hard way.

 

 

 

The second type of "Vriddha:" refers to those who have acquired seniority by

their exceptional knowledge-"GnAna vriddhA:" Of the two types of seniority dealt

with so far, that acquired by old age is attained automatically, without any

effort on one's part, as part of the processes of nature. It is with us one day,

willy nilly. However, the second type of seniority, "GnAna vArddhikyam",

requires a lot of concentrated effort in its acquisition. When we talk of

"GnAna", we mean, naturally, the type of knowledge that aids us in liberation,

and not the mundane education ("sumayAna kalvigaL"), which helps us only in

amassing material fortunes, which are but mere baubles, compared to the endless

bliss that awaits the seeker after emancipation. "sA vidyA ya vimukatayE" says

the Scripture, acknowledging as wisdom only that which helps in deliverance.

 

 

 

Though one would expect the two types of seniority (one attributable to old age

and the other to wisdom), to be concomitant, it is often not so. Old age and

wisdom are not synonymous, in many cases. We find several people who have gone

through a long life without acquiring the wisdom and maturity that should be the

hallmark of a good life. Like the proverbial rolling stone, they do not gather

the moss of wisdom in their journey through life. Despite opportunities aplenty,

they do not care to seek out an Acharya and to learn about themselves, their

real mission in life, the trick of getting out of Samsara and its recurring

miseries and the everlasting bliss that could be theirs, if only they would just

ask. AjAmiLa's is one such instance of a wasted lifetime, irrespective of what

happened to him at the end.

 

 

 

It is perhaps to demonstrate that wisdom has nothing to do with age, that the

Lord has blessed us with the likes of Sri Dhruva ,Sri Prahlada and ParIkshit

Maharaja, who acquired the knowledge that matters in their infancy. Blessed with

ParamAtma gnAnam early on, they built painstakingly upon their good fortune to

become models of wisdom. Sri Prahlada, despite his unflattering antecedents, was

able to shake off the genetic influences and the immediate threats from his

powerful father to state with conviction that Sri Hari was the only one worth

worshipping. He is mentioned reverently even by the Shruti-"PrahrAdhO ha vai

KAyAdhava".

 

 

 

Sri Dhruva, whatever his driving motive, was so focussed on his penance, that

the Lord had to appear before him. And Sri ParIkshit, knowing full well that he

had only seven more days to live, chose to spend those days in listening to the

divine exploits of the Lord, rather than in the innumerable pleasures he could

have enjoyed for the asking.

 

 

 

If it is any consolation to us, such "gnAna vriddhAs", however, are rare to come

across, as the Lord Himself acknowledges in the Gita-

 

"bahoonAm janmanAm anthE gnAnavAn mAm prapadyathE

 

VAsudEva: sarvam iti sa mahAtmA sudurlabha:"

 

However, it is the seniors in wisdom that the Lord considers equal to Himself

and treats with deep appreciation-

 

"GnAnI tu Atmaiva mE matam"

 

 

 

Difficult as it might be, we have to make the effort to acquire this gnAna, for,

this is what distinguishes us from the other species in the Lord's Creation. A

person bereft of such effort is no better than an animal, says the Scripture-

 

"GnAnEna heena: pasubhi: samAna:" . The purport is that having been blessed with

a human body with its immense potential for upliftment, if we were to use it as

a mere instrument for eating, drinking and making merry, without making any

effort to rid ourselves of Karmic bondage, we would be hardly different from

animals, who have no such opportunity for emancipation.

 

 

 

Further examples of "GnAna vArddhikyam" or seniority by virtue of wisdom, are

the GOpis of Nandagokulam, who had acquired, at a very young age, the wisdom of

the eternal relationship between the Paramatma and ourselves, (SEshatva gnAnam)

which is on display in various pasurams of Thiruppavai-

 

"unakkE nAm AtcheyvOm, mattrai nam kAmangaL mAttru"

 

"nee kuttrEval engaLai koLlAmal pOgAdhu"

 

"NarayananE namakkE parai tharuvAn".

 

"untannOdu uravEl namakku ingozhikka ozhiyAdu"

 

Etc.

 

 

 

The third type of seniority is that displayed through Good Conduct. Those who

possess this attribute are known as "Sheela vriddhA:" One would be under the

mistaken impression that wisdom automatically begets good conduct. This need not

always be so. We may find vidvAns renowned for their scriptural knowledge sadly

lacking in putting what they know into practice. Such dichotomy between precept

and practice makes their distinction dubious. Whatever wisdom we acquire would

be meaningful only if put it into actual practice. GnAnam should always beget

"anushttAnam". If a vidwan , master of four Shastras, doesn't perform

Sandhyavandanam or Brahma Yagyam, the knowledge acquired by him is indeed

weighty in the real sense of the word and is burdensome. Conversely, one need

not be well read in the scriptures to adopt good conduct. There are innumerable

instances of this-Sri Shabhari, Sri GuhapperumaL, et al.

 

 

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Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Srimathe Srinivasa Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

-

VENKATAKRISHAN.G

M.E VLSI design II sem

ANNA UNIVERSITY ,COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GUINDY

 

 

 

 

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