Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Dear sri Malolan "morever i have also heard that KAMBAR who wrote ramayana in tamil ALSO staged his ramayana here" this is what i have sent in my mail...what i said was kambar also also also staged ramayana here..i know about srirangam and lord narasihma statue there it is also believed that narasihma shook his head for appreciation when kambar staged ramayana in srirangam and my name is venkata krishnan not venkata raman regards venkata krishnan wrote:To from this group, send an email to: Srirangasri- ------ There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. re : englishman prappatiu venkata krishnan 2. English Man's Prappatti Rajaram Venkataramani 3. mati -- acharam Raman Kannan 4. New Upload: SlOkas 31-45 of Chapter 4 of SrIvEmkaTESa mAhAtmyam "vara12sreerama " 5. Kamba Ramayanam Malolan R Cadambi 6. "The Senior Citizen" "sadagopaniyengar" ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Mon, 6 Jan 2003 05:40:22 -0800 (PST) venkata krishnan re : englishman prappatiu dear srivaishnavas Being born at madhurantagam i am happy to hear this event(not story) again and again...i have heard it no of times from my grandma but still i feel immense pleasure in hearing this...i also have a another information Only in this place MOOLA RAMAR is holding the hand of his beloved wife SITA..this happened when RAVANA VATHAM was over and inorder to give darshan to a maharishi he got down from pusphaka vimana ...so he gives his hand as a support to get down...morever i have also heard that KAMBAR who wrote ramayana in tamil also staged his ramayana here. so those who are in and around chennai dont forget to visit "eri katha RAMAR " and get his divine blessings the temple is a big one with hanuman welcoming us by the side of temple tank and on entering we can see the MOOLA RAMAR with all his brothers....thayar sannidi as said is near to temple built by ENglish man...recently they have constructed chakratarvar sannidi....TEMPLE thER(CAR) festival is very famous and draws crowd from neighbouring villages.... sadly this place doesnt appear in 108 divya desams... ERIKATHA RAMAR ELLORAYUM KAKAttum venkata krishnan ________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:13:13 -0500 > "LakshmiNarasimhan SrinivasaRaghavan" > > Re: "An Englishman's Prapatthi" > > Dear Sri. Sadagopan Iyengar > > Your account of the Englishman's Prappathi was > enthralling to read. Adiyen > has a small story to add to this prapatti. > > 1. Lakes (Eri) in villages are used for irrigation, > bathing, drinking, etc. > etc in olden days. Even now, Madurantakam Eri is > surrounded by 25 villages > and all these villages depend on this eri very much. > In short any lake > protects its villages. Similarly Swami Ramanuja > protects everyone. So, Swami > Ramanuja is an "Eri" too. As Swami Ramanujacharya > got his panchasamaskaram > under a tree (which is behind Andal Sannidhi in the > temple) from Sri > PeriyaNambigal in this temple, this Rama saved our > Ramanuja by having his > panchasamaskaram done at Madurantakam. Hence, this > Raman is none other than > "Eriyagiya Ramanujanai Katha Raman". Adiyen > remembers this story from one > who was doing kaimkaryam in Sri Ramanujar Sannidhi > at Madurantakam. If there > any mistakes in the story, please accept my > apologies. > > 2. Only in this kshetram, Swami Ramanuja will be > wearing "Silver White > Veshti" as at the time of having panchasamaskaram , > our acharyan was still a > gruhasthan. Beside him is present his acharyan, Sri > Periya Nambigal. > > Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan > Lakshminarasimhan S. > > > > > ------------------------- > Srimathe Lakshminrusimha divya pAduka sevika > srivan satakopa Sri Narayana Yathindra MahadesikAya > Namaha > ------------------------- > > > > > > >"sadagopaniyengar" > > >"" > >,,"bhakti-list" > > >,"tiruvengadam" > >,"Oppiliappan" > >,"radha jagannathan" > >,"j.srinivasan" > >,"cs.srinivasan" > ,"padmaja" > >,"mythily ramadesikan" > > >CC: "sadagopaniyengar" > > "An Englishman's Prapatthi" > >Sat, 4 Jan 2003 23:02:22 +0530 > > > > > >Srimate SrivanSatakopa Sri Vedanta Desika Yatindra > Mahadesikaya nama: > > > > > > > > An Englishman's Prapatthi > > > > > > > > > > It was pouring cats and dogs. The > Rain-God was on a destruction > >spree, and all fields bearing crop ripe for harvest > were submerged. If the > >crop continued to be under water for a couple of > days more, the grain would > >sprout, dashing the growers' hopes of a bountiful > harvest and condemning > >farmers to another year of abject poverty. The > flowing rainwaters had not > >spared dwellings too, and they were under a foot of > water. Cattle, chicken, > >and other helpless creatures stood drenched, > finding no dry place to take > >shelter in. Children cried in hunger and were > hushed by the miserable > >parents, who could find no dry twig or leaves for > lighting a fire and > >making food. The strong, icy wind pierced the skin > like needles and made > >everyone shiver. > > > > > > > > The majority of the village people were > sheltered in the Rama temple at > >the center of the village, towering high and mighty > against the night sky. > >The temple was however no perfect haven, for the > roof, left uncared for > >decades, was leaking. Rain drops which insinuated > themselves through the > >sieve-like roof did not spare even the majestic > Lord, with the Kodhandam in > >His hand and holding Piratti's hand with His other, > in a depiction of the > === message truncated === ===== Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Srinivasa Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha - VENKATAKRISHAN.G M.E VLSI design II sem ANNA UNIVERSITY ,COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GUINDY Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:31:37 -0800 (PST) Rajaram Venkataramani English Man's Prappatti Dear Sri Sadagopan - The account of Eri Katha Ramar and how Colonel Place could get the Lord's causeless mercy brought renewed conviction in the power of surrender. When the pastimes of the Lord can be tied to a physical location known to us and to a recent time, then it seems so much more real. If you know more such accounts, please post them. With Best Regards Rajaram V. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) Raman Kannan mati -- acharam In gita cleaniness is identified by THE ACHARYAN as a desirable trait acharya upasanam saucam sathiryam athma vinigraha saucam here is cleaniness. Therefore it is adiyen's humble opinion that everyone must adhere to any habit that improves cleaniness and hygiene. with acharam and mati that we have been discussing the problem occurs when we start to think less of another who is (for whatever reason) not endowed with cleaniness or desire to keep clean. This birth of the ego (I am clean and this other person is not clean) that allows discord to prop up. We have also forgotten the indweller in the other person. As long as we do not develop a holier than thou attitude but are very steadfast in cleaniness inside/outside there is no harm and can only be healthy. acharam and mati have become words of derison only because some practitioners misbehaved with others who are less fortunate. -- anandavalli dasan --- Visu9 wrote: > /namastE Shri Mukund. > > I think we can get a better understanding of /acAram > and /maTi if we try to capture the basic ideas > behind it. One way to do this is to look at the > meaning of these words. What do these words mean? > Are there English equivalents or are these ideas > unique to us? > > Let me attempt by beginning with the word /maTi. > > A relevant meaning for /maTi is "retreat" or > "withdrawal". The word comes from /maTittal --- to > fold. We fold a paper; that is /maTittal. What > happens? The full-size has become half-size. The > paper has been withdrawn from its full use. > > Retreat is a religious idea seeking withdrawal from > the world to be in unuion with God for a few minutes > or a few days. Catholics practice /maTi, when they > enter into retreat every year --- even children. No > talk for most of the day. Only reading. > > The word /maTi has negative use too! You must > withdraw of course routinely, not for ever! When > you do that you are a /maTayan, one who has > separated himself or hesrelf from reality of the > world. He or she has built an isoalted world good > only for hin or her. That is /maTayan. A very god > example is given by /maHA/kavi subramanya > bhAratiyAr. /mAtar tammai iZivu ceyyun maTamaiyaik > koZuttuvOm. That is a stupid isolation of women from > public life until Gandhiji came. > > There is a pleasnat use of the word /maTi. Women are > iften bashful. Let a boy of 16 0r 16 tell a little > girl of 14 how pretty she is. She is going to fold. > She is a /maTantai. A /maTantai is a woman slim > enough to be able to fold! (Sorry, not putting down > others; I cannot change the meaning of words!). > > I hope it is clear to you that /maTi in the sense of > "retreat" is good for all of us. What we need to do > is to get expand the current concept of /maTi to one > where people reamin in "retreat camps" For example, > /gItai maTi will be an occasion for people to fold > into the /gItA. > > /vantanam. > > Visu > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:29:10 -0000 "vara12sreerama " New Upload: SlOkas 31-45 of Chapter 4 of SrIvEmkaTESa mAhAtmyam Namasthe Please see the newly uploaded SlOkAs 31-45 of Chapter 4 on the SrIvEmkaTESa mAhAtmyam webpage: http://www.geocities.com/vara12sreerama/Baktirasa/vemkatesa1.htm Om tat sat Om tat sat Om tat sat Regards Sree Sistla ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:41:39 +0000 (GMT) Malolan R Cadambi Kamba Ramayanam Sri Nammazhwar Thiruvadigale Sharanam! Dear Sri Venkata Raman, Pardon me for interjecting. Kamba Ramayanam had it's 'arangetram' in Srirangam not Madurantakam. Kambar also composes Sadagopar Anadadi in praise of Nammalwar. Regards, Malolan Cadambi Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:01:42 +0530 "sadagopaniyengar" "The Senior Citizen" Srimate SrivanSsatakopa Sri Vedanta Desika Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama: The Senior Citizen Ageing is a continuous process. Every day we grow a little older. The progression is so slow and inconspicuous that we realize our having aged, only when the neighbour's small boy starts calling us "ThAtthA", instead of the customary "MamA" that we are used to. Age simply creeps up on us like a slow, inexorable and incurable disease. Sri Dasarata was aware of age having caught up with him only when he detected a white hair on his head. We see others, our relatives or acquaintances, slowly being transformed from youth to the prime of their lives and thereafter to old age: but even the obvious ageing of our contemporaries does not arouse in us the realisation that we too are getting older. Many people have a curious reluctance to acknowledge the advance of age, and continue to retain the vestiges of youth by artificially clinging on to the original colour of their hair and facial vegetation. Instances are also not infrequent, of people going in for cosmetic surgeries to hang on to the appearance of youth, even in middle or old age. All these, however, can at best be temporary palliatives, which appear to delay the onset of old age. The socially correct terminology for an aged person is "Senior Citizen", which expresses society's regard for the elderly man and its acknowledgement of his past contributions. It is interesting to note that Shastras use the term "Seniority" to mean more things than just old age. The Sanskrit word "Vriddha:" refers to an old person. The term "Vriddha:" is used in three senses in Srimad Ramayanam. The first usage is in the obvious sense, of age-"VayO vriddha:". It is said that Sri Dasarata's reign lasted sixty thousand years. And only when he espied grey hairs on his head did Sri Dasarata became concerned at his lack of progeny to carry on the distinguished line of succession in the IkshvAku Dyansty. When a person gracefully accepts the advance of old age and accordingly adopts a suitable lifestyle, he invites the respect and regard of all around him, who look up to him for guidance and moral support. It should be realised that old people carry with them a lifetime of experience, that comes to one only with age. During this lifetime, they see, hear and experience so much that they become a walking encyclopaedia of do's and don'ts. The joint family system, when in vogue, had much to offer, as the elders in the family were able to guide the young ones in all sorts of tricky situations calling for moral and material judgement. The aged members of the family were especially careful in ensuring that their descendants did not commit the same mistakes as they did, thus preventing the young ones from learning things the hard way. The second type of "Vriddha:" refers to those who have acquired seniority by their exceptional knowledge-"GnAna vriddhA:" Of the two types of seniority dealt with so far, that acquired by old age is attained automatically, without any effort on one's part, as part of the processes of nature. It is with us one day, willy nilly. However, the second type of seniority, "GnAna vArddhikyam", requires a lot of concentrated effort in its acquisition. When we talk of "GnAna", we mean, naturally, the type of knowledge that aids us in liberation, and not the mundane education ("sumayAna kalvigaL"), which helps us only in amassing material fortunes, which are but mere baubles, compared to the endless bliss that awaits the seeker after emancipation. "sA vidyA ya vimukatayE" says the Scripture, acknowledging as wisdom only that which helps in deliverance. Though one would expect the two types of seniority (one attributable to old age and the other to wisdom), to be concomitant, it is often not so. Old age and wisdom are not synonymous, in many cases. We find several people who have gone through a long life without acquiring the wisdom and maturity that should be the hallmark of a good life. Like the proverbial rolling stone, they do not gather the moss of wisdom in their journey through life. Despite opportunities aplenty, they do not care to seek out an Acharya and to learn about themselves, their real mission in life, the trick of getting out of Samsara and its recurring miseries and the everlasting bliss that could be theirs, if only they would just ask. AjAmiLa's is one such instance of a wasted lifetime, irrespective of what happened to him at the end. It is perhaps to demonstrate that wisdom has nothing to do with age, that the Lord has blessed us with the likes of Sri Dhruva ,Sri Prahlada and ParIkshit Maharaja, who acquired the knowledge that matters in their infancy. Blessed with ParamAtma gnAnam early on, they built painstakingly upon their good fortune to become models of wisdom. Sri Prahlada, despite his unflattering antecedents, was able to shake off the genetic influences and the immediate threats from his powerful father to state with conviction that Sri Hari was the only one worth worshipping. He is mentioned reverently even by the Shruti-"PrahrAdhO ha vai KAyAdhava". Sri Dhruva, whatever his driving motive, was so focussed on his penance, that the Lord had to appear before him. And Sri ParIkshit, knowing full well that he had only seven more days to live, chose to spend those days in listening to the divine exploits of the Lord, rather than in the innumerable pleasures he could have enjoyed for the asking. If it is any consolation to us, such "gnAna vriddhAs", however, are rare to come across, as the Lord Himself acknowledges in the Gita- "bahoonAm janmanAm anthE gnAnavAn mAm prapadyathE VAsudEva: sarvam iti sa mahAtmA sudurlabha:" However, it is the seniors in wisdom that the Lord considers equal to Himself and treats with deep appreciation- "GnAnI tu Atmaiva mE matam" Difficult as it might be, we have to make the effort to acquire this gnAna, for, this is what distinguishes us from the other species in the Lord's Creation. A person bereft of such effort is no better than an animal, says the Scripture- "GnAnEna heena: pasubhi: samAna:" . The purport is that having been blessed with a human body with its immense potential for upliftment, if we were to use it as a mere instrument for eating, drinking and making merry, without making any effort to rid ourselves of Karmic bondage, we would be hardly different from animals, who have no such opportunity for emancipation. Further examples of "GnAna vArddhikyam" or seniority by virtue of wisdom, are the GOpis of Nandagokulam, who had acquired, at a very young age, the wisdom of the eternal relationship between the Paramatma and ourselves, (SEshatva gnAnam) which is on display in various pasurams of Thiruppavai- "unakkE nAm AtcheyvOm, mattrai nam kAmangaL mAttru" "nee kuttrEval engaLai koLlAmal pOgAdhu" "NarayananE namakkE parai tharuvAn". "untannOdu uravEl namakku ingozhikka ozhiyAdu" Etc. The third type of seniority is that displayed through Good Conduct. Those who possess this attribute are known as "Sheela vriddhA:" One would be under the mistaken impression that wisdom automatically begets good conduct. This need not always be so. We may find vidvAns renowned for their scriptural knowledge sadly lacking in putting what they know into practice. Such dichotomy between precept and practice makes their distinction dubious. Whatever wisdom we acquire would be meaningful only if put it into actual practice. GnAnam should always beget "anushttAnam". If a vidwan , master of four Shastras, doesn't perform Sandhyavandanam or Brahma Yagyam, the knowledge acquired by him is indeed weighty in the real sense of the word and is burdensome. Conversely, one need not be well read in the scriptures to adopt good conduct. There are innumerable instances of this-Sri Shabhari, Sri GuhapperumaL, et al. === message truncated === Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Srinivasa Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha - VENKATAKRISHAN.G M.E VLSI design II sem ANNA UNIVERSITY ,COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GUINDY Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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