Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 dear vaishnavates i had chance of reading file ART OF LIVING which is in our groups website about life of swami vedanta desikan.he prescribes 9 steps for moksha ...though author has given examples about each step especially first 5 steps ...i want to still clarrify about VIVEKAM?....like arjuna asked lord krishna in geetha ...how an yogi will walk ,sleep ,behave am also having doubts about it ..i want all intellectual persons of this group to guide me ..pls help me in this regard regards venkiiyyengar chennai Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Srinivasa Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha - VENKATAKRISHAN.G M.E VLSI design II sem ANNA UNIVERSITY ,COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GUINDY Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Dear Sri Venkatakrishnan, Adiyane inadvertantly missed opening your e-mail until today and hence I'm extremely sorry for the long delay in replying. Thank you for your interest in the "Art of Living" series on the life of Swami Desikan. You have asked a very pertinent question: How to identify a 'vivEki' of the world? How does he behave and carry himself? What is his character? What moves him in life and what does he shun? etc. If you have read the read the "Art of Living" carefully, you will recall that the story of Dhruva in the Srimadh Bhagavatham has been adduced to illustrate the human quality of "vivEkam". The life of Dhruva is indeed the life of a true 'vivEki'. Similarly, if you go to the KatOpanishad you will come across the wonderful story of the child Nachiketas who also was a great "vivEki". The God of Death, Yama, himself celebrates Nachiketas as a "vivEki", one whose priorities in life were perfectly ordered and balanced -- i.e. one who always made sure to pursue the difficult goal of 'srEyas' in life instead of succumbing, as the rest of common humankind is wont, to the far more alluring goal of 'prEyas'. The examples of Dhruva and Nachiketas in our ancient scriptures have an important secondary message for us: "vivEkam", the faculty of right intelligence, right discrimination and right resolution in life, is not the monopoly of the aged or old. The greatest "vivEki-s" of Vedantic lore -- Dhruva, Nachiketas, Prahalada --- are mere boys who outshone the oldest of sages even! Trust this explains your query. Regards, dAsan, Sudarshan --- venkata krishnan <venkatakris wrote: > > dear vaishnavates > > i had chance of reading file ART OF LIVING which is in our > groups website about life of swami vedanta desikan.he prescribes 9 > steps for moksha ...though author has given examples about each > step especially first 5 steps ...i want to still clarrify about > VIVEKAM?....like arjuna asked lord krishna in geetha ...how an yogi > will walk ,sleep ,behave am also having doubts about it ..i want > all intellectual persons of this group to guide me ..pls help me > in this regard > > regards > > venkiiyyengar > > chennai > > Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha > Srimathe Srinivasa Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha > Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha > - > VENKATAKRISHAN.G > M.E VLSI design II sem > ANNA UNIVERSITY ,COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GUINDY Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Dear Sudarshanji, With interest I have read your explanation. Although I have not read the "Art of Living" book you are referring to. However, I have read the "Science of Being and the Art of Living" book of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi that has been printed in the sixties. Please allow me to offer my opinion and experience on the matter. >From what I have observed on Holy People and what I have read in the Vedic scriptures -mainly Bhagavad-Gita- I have not found any uniformity of behaviour. Also in Shrimad Bhagavatam, as I faintly remember, there are some examples of seemingly very strange behaviour of a holy person - utterly desinterested to outer norms of behaviour. Also in the Gita, the Lord actually NEVER answers to Arjuna´s several questions concerning "how an enlightened person behaves, walks, or sits...". He ALWAYS directs Arjunas vision to the INNER qualities of a holy person. He should be nirdvandvah, ever established in sattwa, not expecting or keeping anything, and atmavan, possesed of his own ATMA, the Self. He behaves rather as an ordinary person, not to disturb the ignorant. He just witnesses the three gunas around him and continues living until his karma releases his body. How to achieve this state of life? Nistrayi gunyo bhava Arjuna - be without the three gunas, transcend all relative states and just BE. By meditation experience the silence of the ATMA and gradually -with continuing experience of this- you will be able to live that cosmic silence more and more in the daily life, too. Aham Atma Gudakesha - I am the Self. so coming to one´s own true Self, one realizes the reality of the Lord, as well. Always the Lord refers to inner qualities of the heart and mind - completely irrespective of the way of life of a person. One might be a Kshatriya, a Brahmana, a woman, anything - just living in one´s used way enjoying one´s bliss consciousness and blessing thereby the whole surrounding. THerefore, it is very difficult to "identify a viveki"! It is a matter of good luck, or good karma, that leads a person to meet a holy person or a great master. I am very honoured to participate from time to time in discussions of this internet forum. I admire all participants for their sattwic and Vedic one-pointed thinking and speaking. With best wishes, JAI GURU DEV Shaasa --- On Sat 02/01, M.K.Sudarshan < sampathkumar_2000 > wrote: M.K.Sudarshan [ sampathkumar_2000] venkatakris Cc: , tiruvengadam Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:46:54 -0800 (PST) Re: ViveKam Dear Sri Venkatakrishnan, Adiyane inadvertantly missed opening your e-mail until today and hence I'm extremely sorry for the long delay in replying. Thank you for your interest in the "Art of Living" series on the life of Swami Desikan. You have asked a very pertinent question: How to identify a 'vivEki' of the world? How does he behave and carry himself? What is his character? What moves him in life and what does he shun? etc. If you have read the read the "Art of Living" carefully, you will recall that the story of Dhruva in the Srimadh Bhagavatham has been adduced to illustrate the human quality of "vivEkam". The life of Dhruva is indeed the life of a true 'vivEki'. Similarly, if you go to the KatOpanishad you will come across the wonderful story of the child Nachiketas who also was a great "vivEki". The God of Death, Yama, himself celebrates Nachiketas as a "vivEki", one whose priorities in life were perfectly ordered and balanced -- i.e. one who always made sure to pursue the difficult goal of 'srEyas' in life instead of succumbing, as the rest of common humankind is wont, to the far more alluring goal of 'prEyas'. The examples of Dhruva and Nachiketas in our ancient scriptures have an important secondary message for us: "vivEkam", the faculty of right intelligence, right discrimination and right resolution in life, is not the monopoly of the aged or old. The greatest "vivEki-s" of Vedantic lore -- Dhruva, Nachiketas, Prahalada --- are mere boys who outshone the oldest of sages even! Trust this explains your query. Regards, dAsan, Sudarshan --- venkata krishnan <venkatakris wrote: > > dear vaishnavates > > i had chance of reading file ART OF LIVING which is in our > groups website about life of swami vedanta desikan.he prescribes 9 > steps for moksha ...though author has given examples about each > step especially first 5 steps ...i want to still clarrify about > VIVEKAM?....like arjuna asked lord krishna in geetha ...how an yogi > will walk ,sleep ,behave am also having doubts about it ..i want > all intellectual persons of this group to guide me ..pls help me > in this regard > > regards > > venkiiyyengar > > chennai > > Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha > Srimathe Srinivasa Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha > Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha > - > VENKATAKRISHAN.G > M.E VLSI design II sem > ANNA UNIVERSITY ,COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GUINDY _____________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! 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