Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 This ignorant writer always continues to be amazed by the depth of the fora members' knowledge which again can happen only due to their utter devotion to THE ONE AND ONLY MAHA PURUSHA. To add to what Shri Sudarshan has mentioned on the social aspect. This writer's personal interests are Yoga and studies of the Vedas and related subjects. It is a great coincidence and a fascinating one at that. The path outlined by the Great Patanjali (who is none other than the Great Adiseshan) for Yoga to be realised is called "Ashtanga" or 8 part. Each of the 8 components are important and one has to start from 1st and proceed to the 2nd. No short cuts. You cannot go to the 3rd ignoring the first. Many people are under a wrong notion about this aspect. The 8 components are :Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi. In layman's terms these are : Social musts, personal musts/habits, physical culture, breath regulation, withdrawal of sensual requirements, preliminary focus, single point focus, liberation. Most people jump to the conclusion that starting from the 3rd component i.e. asana and 4th Pranayama are enough. This is sad and incorrect. If we just ponder to think for a minute, why has the Great Patanjali not put asana and pranayama first ? One may argue that only thru the body and mind one has to achieve all, so first one has to master one's body etc. But this argument is fraught with misconceptions. Yama is first. What is another meaning of Yama ? Lord of Death. Is then Death first step to Yogic realisation ? No, the meaning is :if this first step is improper or not properly established, then all the other steps will fail surely. It may take years to become successful in this first step. Literally this means that this is the most criticial step and one is as good as dead if one thinks one can successfully perform so-and-so asana or perform so-and-so breath control. What does this Yama comprise ? It covers the man's relationship with society. His social responsibilities. The all knowing Patanjali and the sages before him always have therefore considered man not as a singular being, but as a part of society/surroundings which includes nature also. If man tries to isolate himself then he is doomed. Yama comprises of Ahimsa, Satya, Asteya, Aparigriha and Brahmacharya. All are connected to man's relationship with society i.e. not to harm, not to be greedy, not to covet etc. Which is what is also covered in the Old Testament much before the birth of Jesus, but much much after Patanjali Yoga Sutras. Imagine !!over 2000 years back, someone has already given us a clear direction. First adhere to society's rules, modes, requirements. Consider yourself as part of the human-team. Then cultivate your personal habits. Even the most ancient of Vedic diktats of Sandhavandanam is for social good, all round benefit and well being. So it is not surprising what Shri Mukundan has analysed about the Tirupavai....It is indeed team work....What is the point of worshipping alone? who benefits? Even assuming the worshipper benefits, then he still continues to be alone. If there is a second person on this blessed earth, then the worshipper has a reason/rationale/logic to worship for he/she then seeks the Lord's intervention to help his/her fellow being/creature. The Lord of course obliges and this pleases all three (Lord, the worshipper and the receiver of benefit). There is all round thanksgiving and good will. "M.K.Sudarshan" <sampathkumar_2000 Tiruvengadam @> cc: Srirangasri, Oppiliappan 12/31/02 02:12 PM [t'vengadam] "tiruppAvai": Personal Please respond to "anubhavam-s" -- why they should be shared with tiruvengadam others > > > >Dear friends, > > > >In the "tiruppAvai", AndAl has the "aayarpAdi" girls > >waking up each other and first congregating and only > >then proceeding in assembled procession to God's > >doorsteps. > > > >The principle of "worshipping together" is greatly > >stressed through the phrase: "koodi-irundu... > >kuLirnthu...mahizhirndu..." etc. > > > >In the whole of the "tiruppAvai" adiyen notices that > >the girls never even once speak in the first person > >singular! They all speak in one voice but never > >individually! > > > >The pursuit of God according to AndAl cannot be > >undertaken in solitude. Like most things in life, > >achieving God too requires "team work"... the ability > >to work with other people, communicate with other > >people and share with other people even one's personal 'anubhavam' of inner delight. The TiruppAvai is like the Himalayas. Nobody can trivialize it even if one attempts to. A child may make an awkward drawing of the Himalayas on a piece of paper at school. Can we say that the child is trivializing the Himalayas? No! The child is only expressing its wonder and delight at picturing the Himalayas in its own tiny mind. > >Mahatma Gandhi, who may not have been a SriVaishnavan > >bearing the marks of "samAshrayanam", but who was > >deeply religious in outlook, once seemed to echo > >exactly the very same sentiment of the "tiruppAvai". > >He said, "I want to find God, and because I want to > >find God, I have to find God along with other people. > >I don't believe I can find God alone. If I did, I > >would be running to the Himalayas to find God in some > >cave there. But since I believe that nobody can find > >God alone, I have to work with people. I have to take > >them with me. Alone I can't come to Him." > > > >It is amazing how some of the truths of SriVaishnavam > >... and of the poetry of the "tiruppAvai" ... are > >actually grounded in universalism... The TiruppAvai does not belong to SriVilliputtur or SriRangam alone! > >adiyen hopes that my drawing this parallel between > >Gandhi and "tiruppAvai" will not hurt the sentiments > >of orthodox members on the lists I am posting to. > > > >dAsan, Sudarshan Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Namo VenkateshAya namah: To Post a message, send it to: tiruvengadam (AT) eGroups (DOT) com To Un, send a blank message to: tiruvengadam- (AT) eGroups (DOT) com Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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