Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 SrI: Dear Smt Gowri The births and karma of jeevathmas are anAdhi; time immemorial. There is no beginning of karma. It is like egg and chicken; or seed and tree. bhIjAnkura nyAyam. It is like a wheel. Which portion of the wheel is first? Trust it helps Regards Namo narayana dAsan ----Original Message Follows---- "Gowri Raviganesh" <gowri.raviganesh Oppiliappan <bhakti-list> CC: <Oppiliappan>, <Srirangasri> Nature of soul & Karma Mon, 03 Feb 2003 10:31:54 +1100 Dear Bagavathas, In our Sri Sampradaaya it is said that the karma of Bhadha jeevatma is "anaadhi". Also it is said that our original abode is Vaikuntham & our Perumal is eagerly waiting for us to get us back like a person who has lost his ring. Does this mean that once we were pure & had been in touch with Perumal ( time immemorial back)? If so how did the badha jeevatma gets the 1st karma? adiyen Oppiliappan Your use of is subject to _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 Dear Bhagavathothamas, Pranaams. The episodes of Jaya & Vijaya , the Dwarabalakas, who were with Perumal executing their duties assigned to them were made to take birth in this world as mortals for specific reasons.There are many such examples where Perumal sends His Devted Souls who have been with Him for specific purposes. Or Perumal Himself may like to see His Bhaktas / Nityasuris to again taste the life on earth for the benefit of other's who need their guidance and thus send scores of Nityasuris to this world . Azhwars, Acharyas were commanded by Perumal to take birth and help others get the opportunity to get their Sambandham so that they can make more Souls return to Him. It seems to be an unfathomable sea by which the MAAYAN i.e Perumal sends so many souls to return to earth by His Will. For, once a soul reaches Vaikunta there is no scope for its getting bound by Karma. If it all a soul, which has been with Perumal in Sri Vaikunta, returns and takes birth in this world, it should be the Will of Peruaml only and not bcos of any Karma. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, Kombur Vankeepuram Madhavan. Gowri Raviganesh <gowri.raviganesh wrote: Dear Bagavathas, In our Sri Sampradaaya it is said that the karma of Bhadha jeevatma is "anaadhi". Also it is said that our original abode is Vaikuntham & our Perumal is eagerly waiting for us to get us back like a person who has lost his ring. Does this mean that once we were pure & had been in touch with Perumal ( time immemorial back)? If so how did the badha jeevatma gets the 1st karma? adiyen Oppiliappan A SMILE is worth the whole world and can make everyone your BEST FRIEND. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 There are excellent reviews of Kausitaki Upanishad which sheds light on this issue: Some times we see great realized souls behaving in a disappoint way or a very poor soul exhibiting a shimmer of greatness. [[http://www.comparativereligion.com/evil.html]] The Upanishads ground a pantheistic perspective on Ultimate Reality and introduce karma as explanation of human suffering. The only true substance of the universe is Brahman, so that evil cannot be real. Ignoring the one and only reality of Brahman launches karma into action and therefore brings suffering to the soul in further lives. Although it is difficult to determine the very beginning of karma’s manifestation, a text in Kausitaki Upanishad (3,8) indicates that Brahman himself causes the good and evil done by humans, and so he must be the one responsible for the origin of karma: He (Brahman) causes him whom he wishes to lead up from these worlds to perform good action. This one, indeed, also causes him whom he wishes to lead downward, to perform bad action. As the manifestations and dissolutions of the world are eternal, so is karma, meaning that suffering is a part of the eternal cosmic cycle. Logically then, the ultimate origin of karma must be in Brahman, because he is the source of any manifestation and the origin of souls. Man cannot be considered guilty for the evil in the world, not even for his own bad deeds, because all of them originated in past lives, of which he cannot be aware. Suffering in the present life is the natural consequence of past lives’ ignorance and it has to be endured without questioning. may we never be separated from Brahman adiyen anandavalli dasan --- Gowri Raviganesh <gowri.raviganesh wrote: > Dear Bagavathas, > > In our Sri Sampradaaya it is said that the karma of > Bhadha jeevatma is "anaadhi". Also it is said that > our original abode is Vaikuntham & our Perumal is > eagerly waiting for us to get us back like a person > who has lost his ring. Does this mean that once we > were pure & had been in touch with Perumal ( time > immemorial back)? If so how did the badha jeevatma > gets the 1st karma? > > adiyen > > > > > Oppiliappan > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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