Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Dear Members, Can the member/s clarify the following please ? 1. In Advaita they call Brahman as infinite / without form / without qualities etc (NIRGUN)- In Visishtadvaita Do we call The Same Supreme Divine as " Narayana". 2. What is the difference between "Jeevan Mukti" and " Moksha" - Does the concept of Jeevan Mukti accepted under Visishtadvaita Thank you VKV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear SrI VKV: In response to your two queries , I would like to start with your second question on Jeevan Mukthi's acceptability in VisishtAdhvaitham : Jeevan Mukthi( achievement of Mukthi, while still being associated with the body) is not accepted by VisishtAdhvaithins. Advaitha accepts it. We reject it. Swamy Desikan advances reason why Jeevan Mukthi is untenable and is a self-contadictory concept in His Tatthva Muktha KalApam ( II-73). The individual continuing with the body after realization of Brahman (BrahmAnuvrutthi) is against the real definition of Mukthi , when the Jeevan (Aathman) is 100% disassociated from the PrANan (vital breath) , sense organs AND the Physical body . In the embodied state , Jeevan is connected with PrANan, sense organs and the physical body . One can not justify the two states (embodied and disembodied ) coexisting . Linking this contradiction to the trace of avidya persisting after BrahmAnuvrutthi to justify Jeevan Mukthi is unacceptable. Regarding your First question , Advaithin believes that there is a higher Brahman above SaguNa Brahman ( One with auspicious a ttributes ). Advaithin describes that "higher Brahman" as NirguNa/NirvisEsha/Para Brahman. SaguNa Brahman is the SavisEsha/Apara/lower Brahman in their system. VisishtAdhvaitham does not to the theory of TWO Brahmans , one lower and another higher. Acharya RaamAnujA (in Jijn~AsadhikaraNam section of SrI BhAshyam) and Swamy Desikan in his Satha DhUshaNi has dismissed conclusively the theory of two Brahmans and have established SaguNa Brahman as the only Brahman, which is the same as the personal God , SrIman NarayaNan.This is a central doctrine of VisishtAdhvaitham . V.Sadagopan >Dear Members, > >Can the member/s clarify the following please ? > >1. In Advaita they call Brahman as infinite / without form / without qualities etc (NIRGUN)- In Visishtadvaita Do we call The Same Supreme Divine as " Narayana". >2. What is the difference between "Jeevan Mukti" and " Moksha" - Does the concept of Jeevan Mukti accepted under Visishtadvaita > >Thank you >VKV. > > > > > > > >Srirangasri- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > ************************************************************** * Sent from Computer.Net Web Portal: http://web.computer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 fORWARDED COPY TO THIS GROUP - vijayalu <vijayalu <bhakti-list>; sadagopaniyengar <sadagopaniyengar Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:11 PM Re: Fwd: Clarification > > DEAR SIR, > > While I was whiffing thru the pages of Desika Stothrani published by > Nrishma Priya trust, I read a slokam of Vedanta Desikan in Achyutha Sathakam > Verse 47, in which Swami mentions about Jeevan Mukthargal........ " Jeevan > Muktha sthrusaH achyutha theerurysyanthe Bhaavanas thava bhakthaha". sorry > for any wrong english dictum). Please enlighten me further about this verse > and what Swami meant in this. > Many thanks > VKV > > > - > Sadagopan gopan <sgopan > vijayalu <vijayalu; <bhakti-list>; > <> > Friday, February 07, 2003 7:56 PM > Re: Fwd: Clarification > > > > Dear SrI VKV: > > > > In response to your two queries , > > I would like to start with your > > second question on Jeevan Mukthi's > > acceptability in VisishtAdhvaitham : > > > > Jeevan Mukthi( achievement of Mukthi, > > while still being associated with the body) > > is not accepted by VisishtAdhvaithins. > > Advaitha accepts it. We reject it. > > > > Swamy Desikan advances reason why Jeevan > > Mukthi is untenable and is a self-contadictory > > concept in His Tatthva Muktha KalApam ( II-73). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Srirangasri- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > * Sent from Computer.Net Web Portal: http://web.computer.net > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > > To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list > > Group Home: bhakti-list > > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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