Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Hi sudarsan, i would like to tell u one thing. we are brahmins. our duty is recite vedas & do vedic activities. are we doing that properly...its all the mistake of ours. if we would have followed that and if we are poor, then we came blame politicians etc. To all, i'll just ask a simple question....how many of u in this group are not willing to go to foreign countries. probably 1 or 2..bcoz they didnt get that offer...Just bcoz of money many go to foreign places. everyone in the brahmin society knows that we shud not go..Its a real black mark of Brahmins. Why dont we follow our tradition.I would like to see a true Brahmin who has rejected foreign offers just bcoz of his tradition. How many of us have kudimi? (but sikhs do follow that)...atleast learn from others. Before finding fault with others, first we see ourselves. Munitrayan "Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S." <sudarsanp wrote:Sri RAmajayam SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha Dear Sri.Munitrayan, Even though AdiyEn am impressed by our pre-British stature of poverty free India, we have to be aware of the world then, * Less population * Higher infant mortality rate (toll by incurable diseases for slightly grown-ups as a % may be the same) * free flowing rivers, with no need to harness power, thus allowing vast lands to be cultivated * free of corrupt politicians * less material pursuits....... In summary if we want to go back to pre-1835 quality of living, * our population should reduce, apart from * reducing our material desire * & all, especially politicians should have faith and abide by Vaidhika Dharma. Do we have a solution, than to rely on science (to increase productivity) and spiritualism (to lead a balanced life in a satvik manner, without ego and with blessings of AchArya/God/BhAgavathAs/Relatives). AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, Sudarsana DAsosmi --- Muni Trayam wrote: > > Hi guys > > I stumbled upon this on a casual reading.....really > intersting to know that our ancient education system > not only created scholars but also created a > "Beggar Free INDIA". > > Munitrayan. > > Origin of the Western subversive agenda in India > > It was February 1835, a time when the British were > striving to take control of the whole of India. Lord > Macaulay, a historian and a politician, made a > historical speech in the British Parliament, > commonly referred to as The Minutes, which struck a > blow at the centuries old system of Indian > education. His words were to this effect: I have > traveled across the length and breadth of India and > I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a > thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such > high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do > not think we would ever conquer this country, unless > we break the very backbone of this nation, which is > her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, > I propose that we replace her old and ancient > education system, her culture, for if the Indians > think that all that is foreign and English is good > and greater than their own, they will lose their > self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will > become what we want them, a truly dominated nation. > > (Source: The Awakening Ray, Vol. 4 No. 5, The > Gnostic Centre) > > Reproduced in Niti issue of April, 2002 at p. 10 - a > periodic publication of Bharat Vikas Parishad, > Delhi. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 Dear all, I feel I am in no way eligible to answer the the question assumed to end up as a black-mark for Brahmins.Brahmins going abroad for earning money is adduced as the reason for the black-mark. We are in Kaliyuga.Until the minute we leave the mother earth, we need to lead a decent life for which money is a pre-requisite. As long as money is not earned through illegitimate means, it does not disqualify to be a Sri Vaishnava, who need not necessarilly be a brahmin. Lord Krishna has shown a very simple solution in in His Geetha. When Arjuna understood that the Bagavat-Anubhavam is the only means and end and that this could be realised through Karma, Gyana and Bakthi yogas, he wondered how he was incapable of practising these karma, Gyana and Bakthi yogas having fallen in the great Samsaara saagara....the Lord advises him through the sarama sloga (Sloga66 of Chapter 18), Leave all the Dharma which you are not able to practise and GET ME alone. I will distroy all your sins which hinder your way to reach Moksha and Shed your fear. If the money earned abroad is spent for: **encouraging children and poor for Veda Adyayanam **the Acharyaas to perform similar Dharma Kaaryams **the welfare of the poor in general **publication of religious books by Great Vidwaans **the Temples to follow the minimum daily rituals as prescribed in Saastras, we earn no sin by going abroad and on the contrary we earn "Punyams" because, instead of one person strictly following the requirements, he makes his money available to many souls as per the precedent set by our Greatest Acharya who is none other than Sri Ramanuja who called all the commeners from the Temple Top and announced the "Moola Manthra" not withstanding the sin he alone would get. Acharyaas say that even the Punyams we earn should be offered to the Lord so that "Punyams" will not stand in our way to attain "Moksha".In other words, both Punyams and Sins are given to the Lord. Please pardon me if I have exceeded my limits. Regards, Yours spritually, S. Srinivasaraghavan munitraya wrote Hi sudarsan, i would like to tell u one thing. we are brahmins. our duty is recite vedas & do vedic activities. are we doing that properly...its all the mistake of ours. if we would have followed that and if we are poor, then we came blame politicians etc. To all, i'll just ask a simple question....how many of u in this group are not willing to go to foreign countries. probably 1 or 2..bcoz they didnt get that offer...Just bcoz of money many go to foreign places. everyone in the brahmin society knows that we shud not go..Its a real black mark of Brahmins. Why dont we follow our tradition.I would like to see a true Brahmin who has rejected foreign offers just bcoz of his tradition. How many of us have kudimi? (but sikhs do follow that)...atleast learn from others. Before finding fault with others, first we see ourselves. Munitrayan "Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S." <sudarsanp wrote:Sri RAmajayam SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha Dear Sri.Munitrayan, Even though AdiyEn am impressed by our pre-British stature of poverty free India, we have to be aware of the world then, * Less population * Higher infant mortality rate (toll by incurable diseases for slightly grown-ups as a % may be the same) * free flowing rivers, with no need to harness power, thus allowing vast lands to be cultivated * free of corrupt politicians * less material pursuits....... In summary if we want to go back to pre-1835 quality of living, * our population should reduce, apart from * reducing our material desire * & all, especially politicians should have faith and abide by Vaidhika Dharma. Do we have a solution, than to rely on science (to increase productivity) and spiritualism (to lead a balanced life in a satvik manner, without ego and with blessings of AchArya/God/BhAgavathAs/Relatives). AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, Sudarsana DAsosmi --- Muni Trayam wrote: > > Hi guys > > I stumbled upon this on a casual reading.....really > intersting to know that our ancient education system > not only created scholars but also created a > "Beggar Free INDIA". > > Munitrayan. > > Origin of the Western subversive agenda in India > > It was February 1835, a time when the British were > striving to take control of the whole of India. Lord > Macaulay, a historian and a politician, made a > historical speech in the British Parliament, > commonly referred to as The Minutes, which struck a > blow at the centuries old system of Indian > education. His words were to this effect: I have > traveled across the length and breadth of India and > I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a > thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such > high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do > not think we would ever conquer this country, unless > we break the very backbone of this nation, which is > her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, > I propose that we replace her old and ancient > education system, her culture, for if the Indians > think that all that is foreign and English is good > and greater than their own, they will lose their > self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will > become what we want them, a truly dominated nation. > > (Source: The Awakening Ray, Vol. 4 No. 5, The > Gnostic Centre) > > Reproduced in Niti issue of April, 2002 at p. 10 - a > periodic publication of Bharat Vikas Parishad, > Delhi. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Srirangasri- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Dear All, Please accept my humble Namaskarams. Regarding Shri Srinivasaraghavan message: "We are in Kaliyuga.Until the minute we leave the mother earth, we need to lead a decent life for which money is a pre-requisite." We all know the lives of our Acharyas like Koorathazhawar who left all his wealth to do Kaimkaryam to Ramanujar. We also know Swami Desikan's life and especially his "Varaigya Panchagam" in which he questions "why learned people live this kind of life when all they need is a few grains that lay spilled on the paddy fields to take care of their hunger, a palmful of water from the public pond to quench their thirst, and a rag lying on the roadside to serve as a loin cloth" We also know they have lived in this same Kaliyuga and what it requires is attachment towards our Narayana and detachment in rest of things. As far as Charama slokam is concerned, if we had practised it then we will not be going after material persuits and our beloved Krishna would have taken care of us and our "Atma well-being". Eventhough it is highly difficult to live such a life, let us not find justifications for our doings and keep distancing from our Beloved Father Narayana. Please pardon me if I have hurt anybody's feelings as I am not a learned scholar as the Bhagawathas in this group. Dasan Ramanujam. , raghav_hema@v... wrote: > > Dear all, > I feel I am in no way eligible to answer the the question assumed to end up as a black-mark for Brahmins.Brahmins going abroad for earning money is adduced as the reason for the black-mark. > We are in Kaliyuga.Until the minute we leave the mother earth, we need to lead a decent life for which money is a pre-requisite. As long as money is not earned through illegitimate means, it does not disqualify to be a Sri Vaishnava, who need not necessarilly be a brahmin. Lord Krishna has shown a very simple solution in in His Geetha. > When Arjuna understood that the Bagavat-Anubhavam is the only means and end and that this could be realised through Karma, Gyana and Bakthi yogas, he wondered how he was incapable of practising these karma, Gyana and Bakthi yogas having fallen in the great Samsaara saagara....the Lord advises him through the sarama sloga (Sloga66 of Chapter 18), Leave all the Dharma which you are not able to practise and GET ME alone. I will distroy all your sins which hinder your way to reach Moksha and Shed your fear. > If the money earned abroad is spent for: > **encouraging children and poor for Veda Adyayanam > **the Acharyaas to perform similar Dharma Kaaryams > **the welfare of the poor in general > **publication of religious books by Great Vidwaans > **the Temples to follow the minimum daily rituals as prescribed in Saastras, > we earn no sin by going abroad and on the contrary we earn "Punyams" because, instead of one person strictly following the requirements, he makes his money available to many souls as per the precedent set by our Greatest Acharya who is none other than Sri Ramanuja who called all the commeners from the Temple Top and announced the "Moola Manthra" not withstanding the sin he alone would get. > Acharyaas say that even the Punyams we earn should be offered to the Lord so that "Punyams" will not stand in our way to attain "Moksha".In other words, both Punyams and Sins are given to the Lord. > Please pardon me if I have exceeded my limits. > Regards, > Yours spritually, > S. Srinivasaraghavan > > > > > > munitraya wrote > > Hi sudarsan, > i would like to tell u one thing. we are brahmins. our duty is recite vedas & do vedic activities. are we doing that properly...its all the mistake of ours. if we would have followed that and if we are poor, then we came blame politicians etc. > To all, > i'll just ask a simple question....how many of u in this group are not willing to go to foreign countries. probably 1 or 2..bcoz they didnt get that offer...Just bcoz of money many go to foreign places. everyone in the brahmin society knows that we shud not go..Its a real black mark of Brahmins. Why dont we follow our tradition.I would like to see a true Brahmin who has rejected foreign offers just bcoz of his tradition. > How many of us have kudimi? (but sikhs do follow that)...atleast learn from others. > Before finding fault with others, first we see ourselves. > Munitrayan > "Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S." <sudarsanp> wrote:Sri RAmajayam > SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha > > Dear Sri.Munitrayan, > Even though AdiyEn am impressed > by our pre-British stature of poverty free India, we > have to be aware of the world then, > * Less population > * Higher infant mortality rate (toll by incurable > diseases for slightly grown-ups as a % may be the > same) > * free flowing rivers, with no need to harness power, > thus allowing vast lands to be cultivated > * free of corrupt politicians > * less material pursuits....... > > In summary if we want to go back to pre-1835 quality > of living, > * our population should reduce, > apart from > * reducing our material desire > * & all, especially politicians should have faith and > abide by Vaidhika Dharma. > > Do we have a solution, than to rely on science (to > increase productivity) and spiritualism (to lead a > balanced life in a satvik manner, without ego and with > blessings of AchArya/God/BhAgavathAs/Relatives). > > AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, > > Sudarsana DAsosmi > > --- Muni Trayam wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > > > I stumbled upon this on a casual reading.....really > > intersting to know that our ancient education system > > not only created scholars but also created a > > "Beggar Free INDIA". > > > > Munitrayan. > > > > Origin of the Western subversive agenda in India > > > > It was February 1835, a time when the British were > > striving to take control of the whole of India. Lord > > Macaulay, a historian and a politician, made a > > historical speech in the British Parliament, > > commonly referred to as The Minutes, which struck a > > blow at the centuries old system of Indian > > education. His words were to this effect: I have > > traveled across the length and breadth of India and > > I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a > > thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such > > high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do > > not think we would ever conquer this country, unless > > we break the very backbone of this nation, which is > > her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, > > I propose that we replace her old and ancient > > education system, her culture, for if the Indians > > think that all that is foreign and English is good > > and greater than their own, they will lose their > > self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will > > become what we want them, a truly dominated nation. > > > > (Source: The Awakening Ray, Vol. 4 No. 5, The > > Gnostic Centre) > > > > Reproduced in Niti issue of April, 2002 at p. 10 - a > > periodic publication of Bharat Vikas Parishad, > > Delhi. > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Response to Ramanujam dasan - Very true sir. It takes possibly several lives to reach that state of total surrender or renunciation. These scriptures blessed to us by the Great Saints like Swami Vedanta Desikan are prasadam of Lord Ranganatha Himself for our Transformation. But we should go step by step. This can happen thru constant introspection and practice. No justification and no guilt ! VKV - <apramanujam <> Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:12 AM Re: Black Mark of Brahmins > > Dear All, > Please accept my humble Namaskarams. > Regarding Shri Srinivasaraghavan message: > "We are in Kaliyuga.Until the minute we leave the mother earth, we > need to lead a decent life for which money is a pre-requisite." > We all know the lives of our Acharyas like Koorathazhawar who > left all his wealth to do Kaimkaryam to Ramanujar. We also know Swami > Desikan's life and especially his "Varaigya Panchagam" in which he > questions "why learned people live this kind of life when > all they need is a few grains that lay spilled on the paddy fields to > take care of their hunger, a palmful of water from the public pond to > quench their thirst, and a rag lying on the roadside to serve as a > loin cloth" > We also know they have lived in this same Kaliyuga and what it > requires is attachment towards our Narayana and detachment in rest of > things. > > As far as Charama slokam is concerned, if we had practised it then > we will not be going after material persuits and our beloved Krishna > would have taken care of us and our "Atma well-being". > > Eventhough it is highly difficult to live such a life, let us not > find justifications for our doings and keep distancing from our > Beloved Father Narayana. > > Please pardon me if I have hurt anybody's feelings as I am not a > learned scholar as the Bhagawathas in this group. > > Dasan > Ramanujam. > > > , raghav_hema@v... wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > I feel I am in no way eligible to answer the the question assumed > to end up as a black-mark for Brahmins.Brahmins going abroad for > earning money is adduced as the reason for the black-mark. > > We are in Kaliyuga.Until the minute we leave the mother earth, we > need to lead a decent life for which money is a pre-requisite. As > long as money is not earned through illegitimate means, it does not > disqualify to be a Sri Vaishnava, who need not necessarilly be a > brahmin. Lord Krishna has shown a very simple solution in in His > Geetha. > > When Arjuna understood that the Bagavat-Anubhavam is the only > means and end and that this could be realised through Karma, Gyana > and Bakthi yogas, he wondered how he was incapable of practising > these karma, Gyana and Bakthi yogas having fallen in the great > Samsaara saagara....the Lord advises him through the sarama sloga > (Sloga66 of Chapter 18), Leave all the Dharma which you are not able > to practise and GET ME alone. I will distroy all your sins which > hinder your way to reach Moksha and Shed your fear. > > If the money earned abroad is spent for: > > **encouraging children and poor for Veda Adyayanam > > **the Acharyaas to perform similar Dharma Kaaryams > > **the welfare of the poor in general > > **publication of religious books by Great Vidwaans > > **the Temples to follow the minimum daily rituals as prescribed in > Saastras, > > we earn no sin by going abroad and on the contrary we > earn "Punyams" because, instead of one person strictly following the > requirements, he makes his money available to many souls as per the > precedent set by our Greatest Acharya who is none other than Sri > Ramanuja who called all the commeners from the Temple Top and > announced the "Moola Manthra" not withstanding the sin he alone would > get. > > Acharyaas say that even the Punyams we earn should be offered to > the Lord so that "Punyams" will not stand in our way to > attain "Moksha".In other words, both Punyams and Sins are given to > the Lord. > > Please pardon me if I have exceeded my limits. > > Regards, > > Yours spritually, > > S. Srinivasaraghavan > > > > > > > > > > > > munitraya wrote > > > > Hi sudarsan, > > i would like to tell u one thing. we are brahmins. our duty is > recite vedas & do vedic activities. are we doing that properly...its > all the mistake of ours. if we would have followed that and if we are > poor, then we came blame politicians etc. > > To all, > > i'll just ask a simple question....how many of u in this group are > not willing to go to foreign countries. probably 1 or 2..bcoz they > didnt get that offer...Just bcoz of money many go to foreign places. > everyone in the brahmin society knows that we shud not go..Its a real > black mark of Brahmins. Why dont we follow our tradition.I would like > to see a true Brahmin who has rejected foreign offers just bcoz of > his tradition. > > How many of us have kudimi? (but sikhs do follow that)...atleast > learn from others. > > Before finding fault with others, first we see ourselves. > > Munitrayan > > "Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S." <sudarsanp> wrote:Sri RAmajayam > > SrimathE GopAla DEsika MahA DEsikAya Namaha > > > > Dear Sri.Munitrayan, > > Even though AdiyEn am impressed > > by our pre-British stature of poverty free India, we > > have to be aware of the world then, > > * Less population > > * Higher infant mortality rate (toll by incurable > > diseases for slightly grown-ups as a % may be the > > same) > > * free flowing rivers, with no need to harness power, > > thus allowing vast lands to be cultivated > > * free of corrupt politicians > > * less material pursuits....... > > > > In summary if we want to go back to pre-1835 quality > > of living, > > * our population should reduce, > > apart from > > * reducing our material desire > > * & all, especially politicians should have faith and > > abide by Vaidhika Dharma. > > > > Do we have a solution, than to rely on science (to > > increase productivity) and spiritualism (to lead a > > balanced life in a satvik manner, without ego and with > > blessings of AchArya/God/BhAgavathAs/Relatives). > > > > AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, > > > > Sudarsana DAsosmi > > > > --- Muni Trayam wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > I stumbled upon this on a casual reading.....really > > > intersting to know that our ancient education system > > > not only created scholars but also created a > > > "Beggar Free INDIA". > > > > > > Munitrayan. > > > > > > Origin of the Western subversive agenda in India > > > > > > It was February 1835, a time when the British were > > > striving to take control of the whole of India. Lord > > > Macaulay, a historian and a politician, made a > > > historical speech in the British Parliament, > > > commonly referred to as The Minutes, which struck a > > > blow at the centuries old system of Indian > > > education. His words were to this effect: I have > > > traveled across the length and breadth of India and > > > I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a > > > thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such > > > high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do > > > not think we would ever conquer this country, unless > > > we break the very backbone of this nation, which is > > > her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, > > > I propose that we replace her old and ancient > > > education system, her culture, for if the Indians > > > think that all that is foreign and English is good > > > and greater than their own, they will lose their > > > self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will > > > become what we want them, a truly dominated nation. > > > > > > (Source: The Awakening Ray, Vol. 4 No. 5, The > > > Gnostic Centre) > > > > > > Reproduced in Niti issue of April, 2002 at p. 10 - a > > > periodic publication of Bharat Vikas Parishad, > > > Delhi. > > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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