Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Dear bhagavathas what are the practical ways of doing our duties ( like our duties in office, home etc) without the doership feeling?. is it just that when we start the day we offer our prayers to the Lord that whatever we do is just for His sake? what I mean is ; is that just a mental affirmation?. may be this question is too elementary. thanks vijayaraghavan v k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Sri Krishnaya Namah! The question is really interesting and I expect all bhaktas in this forum to express their methodology for our benefit. My understanding in this topic is like this. If one do his duties - be it loukika or paraloukika, he should not bound by what he is doing. In other words, we should not think of the results arising out of karma while doing it but we should do it properly. See, in our daily life, if we are doing any work and we are bound by the feeling of what comes out of it, the efficiency definitely takes a beating resulting in a rank low degree output. This was very well explained by Ms.Padma Row in her discourse on BG. What she says is that we have to select karma, do it whole heartedly and while doing forget about the result/output. We should think of ways and means of doing it efficiently but not on the result, while doing Karma. Thus, we can increase our shraddha in the karma and by adopting a uninterested attitude we are saving ourselves from the attachment that comes along with output. The other way of approaching this is to just think of Him while doing Karma, as if it is being done to appease him thus leaving the rest to Him. For example, we are doing sandhyavandanam or some daily puja for Him and after doing it, we should not be thinking that whether He is happy or angry about our misprounciation of some mantras etc., For, the mind wanders always like a vagabond and we need to pull it back in its place. We just have to chant Hari Om and leave the rest to Him / surrender to Him, letting him the choice of gracing us or otherwise. Also, our deeds should not be attached with any desire, which if so done, results in a philosophical/spiritual state of happiness in us. For example, in our professional life, afterall the struggle we put in, there comes a time during the end of financial year, wherein we expect some increments from the orgn. This expectation/desire is the very reason for all miseries and the vasanas that we acquire while doing karma. It is just like going on a pilgrimage not to see Perumal but ask for something or the other from him, which itself nullifies the effort that we put in seeing Him. Net net, we just have to do things, just like the famous ad 'Just do it' and surrender our mind/aatma to Him with the body doing things, mechanically. We need to mortgage our mind (path for reaching aatman) with Him with a condition that He will keep that with Him securely always. Sukumar Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! Vijay-AW [sMTP:vijayalu] 15/05/2003 5:15 PM Doership Dear bhagavathas what are the practical ways of doing our duties ( like our duties in office, home etc) without the doership feeling?. is it just that when we start the day we offer our prayers to the Lord that whatever we do is just for His sake? what I mean is ; is that just a mental affirmation?. may be this question is too elementary. thanks vijayaraghavan v k Srirangasri- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Pranams to all Well ; this philosophy is so difficult to understand - for example, when we feel hungry we take food - we are doing the action ; but whether it is going to satisfy our hunger or not we cannot forget as to why we are taking food. likewise in all our actions there is a result already attached to it- they are inseperable- remaining detached to results while performing the action can result in disinterest in action - that is action performed partially- Does the Lord approve this I know i am wrong or missing out on something ; but please elaborate thanks for patience VKV - "sukumar" <sukumar <> Friday, May 16, 2003 7:48 AM RE: Doership > Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > The question is really interesting and I expect all bhaktas in this forum > to express their methodology for our benefit. > > My understanding in this topic is like this. > > If one do his duties - be it loukika or paraloukika, he should not bound by > what he is doing. In other words, we should not think of the results > arising out of karma while doing it but we should do it properly. See, in > our daily life, if we are doing any work and we are bound by the feeling of > what comes out of it, the efficiency definitely takes a beating resulting > in a rank low degree output. This was very well explained by Ms.Padma Row > in her discourse on BG. What she says is that we have to select karma, do > it whole heartedly and while doing forget about the result/output. We > should think of ways and means of doing it efficiently but not on the > result, while doing Karma. Thus, we can increase our shraddha in the karma > and by adopting a uninterested attitude we are saving ourselves from the > attachment that comes along with output. > > The other way of approaching this is to just think of Him while doing > Karma, as if it is being done to appease him thus leaving the rest to Him. > For example, we are doing sandhyavandanam or some daily puja for Him and > after doing it, we should not be thinking that whether He is happy or angry > about our misprounciation of some mantras etc., For, the mind wanders > always like a vagabond and we need to pull it back in its place. We just > have to chant Hari Om and leave the rest to Him / surrender to Him, letting > him the choice of gracing us or otherwise. > > Also, our deeds should not be attached with any desire, which if so done, > results in a philosophical/spiritual state of happiness in us. For > example, in our professional life, afterall the struggle we put in, there > comes a time during the end of financial year, wherein we expect some > increments from the orgn. This expectation/desire is the very reason for > all miseries and the vasanas that we acquire while doing karma. It is just > like going on a pilgrimage not to see Perumal but ask for something or the > other from him, which itself nullifies the effort that we put in seeing > Him. > > > Net net, we just have to do things, just like the famous ad 'Just do it' > and surrender our mind/aatma to Him with the body doing things, > mechanically. We need to mortgage our mind (path for reaching aatman) with > Him with a condition that He will keep that with Him securely always. > > > Sukumar > > Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! > > > > Vijay-AW [sMTP:vijayalu] > 15/05/2003 5:15 PM > > Doership > > Dear bhagavathas > > what are the practical ways of doing our duties ( like our duties in > office, home etc) without the doership feeling?. > is it just that when we start the day we offer our prayers to the Lord that > whatever we do is just for His sake? what I mean is ; is that just a mental > affirmation?. > may be this question is too elementary. > > thanks > vijayaraghavan v k > > > > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Sri Krishnaya Namah! As I mentioned below, we need to just act and dont bound by the outcome, else we will be left thinking only the result when we actually require to think on the action. This way, we will be finishing the task well as there is shraddha involved in the action. We need to think on action - as to how to go about doing it, so that this will be finished to a nicety. Here, for example - eating. While we start eating, we should first purify it, by deeming the same as amrutham, offer it to aatma, prana etc., and then, for the sake of Him (who is Sahasrajihva, and who is Jataraagni) take food. Never a moment should we allow ourselves to indulge in it, i.e., we should not crave/desire for more of it by declaring such and such dish as delicate/tasty etc., If we indulge in food, we tend to overeat(this will happen for sure for all those who indulge), resulting in health problems. In other words, our Shraddha should be diverted towards Lord when we are eating but not on what we eat. Jadabharatha used to eat whatever been offered to him, but not to satisfy his jihva but for basic health, which assures more life span to Pray Him. This should be the end result, as without sound body and health, we can't do meditation or kainkaryams well and for this purposes, we should eat. To effectively do this, one should have Gyana (that the food is from Him, the taste we feel from Jihva is Him, the Jatara agni, which digests the food, is Him). This is where, BG helps people to gain knowledge. I agree that result is bound by action, but that is left to His grace and His choice. We should never be disinterested (an act which can be retraced upon) but we should be uninterested (total disregard) on all happenings - external and internal. By being uninterested (not in action, but on the consequences arising out of it and by performing sampurna sharanagathi at his Divyapadams) GOD will approve us. There is a delicate thin line between being disinterested and uninterested. This is, practically, difficult to practice. What I will do is, I have a posture of Bhagavadgita in front of me on the wall, and below that I had printed some of its formulas like - "Desire -- Human being = GOD; Man's enemies = Likes & Dislikes etc., By seeing that occasionally(deliberately or inadvertently) while eating, I could control my wandering mind. Finally, it is all in the MIND, which ONLY we human beings have (by His grace) and no other creature can boast of possessing the same. Our motto in life is to just TRAIN it, make it a friend and guide to our ultimate goal of seeking Him. Sukumar Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! Vijay-AW [sMTP:vijayalu] 26/05/2003 7:21 PM sukumar; Cc: Sowmya N V Re: Doership Pranams to all Well ; this philosophy is so difficult to understand - for example, when we feel hungry we take food - we are doing the action ; but whether it is going to satisfy our hunger or not we cannot forget as to why we are taking food. likewise in all our actions there is a result already attached to it- they are inseperable- remaining detached to results while performing the action can result in disinterest in action - that is action performed partially- Does the Lord approve this I know i am wrong or missing out on something ; but please elaborate thanks for patience VKV - "sukumar" <sukumar <> Friday, May 16, 2003 7:48 AM RE: Doership > Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > The question is really interesting and I expect all bhaktas in this forum > to express their methodology for our benefit. > > My understanding in this topic is like this. > > If one do his duties - be it loukika or paraloukika, he should not bound by > what he is doing. In other words, we should not think of the results > arising out of karma while doing it but we should do it properly. See, in > our daily life, if we are doing any work and we are bound by the feeling of > what comes out of it, the efficiency definitely takes a beating resulting > in a rank low degree output. This was very well explained by Ms.Padma Row > in her discourse on BG. What she says is that we have to select karma, do > it whole heartedly and while doing forget about the result/output. We > should think of ways and means of doing it efficiently but not on the > result, while doing Karma. Thus, we can increase our shraddha in the karma > and by adopting a uninterested attitude we are saving ourselves from the > attachment that comes along with output. > > The other way of approaching this is to just think of Him while doing > Karma, as if it is being done to appease him thus leaving the rest to Him. > For example, we are doing sandhyavandanam or some daily puja for Him and > after doing it, we should not be thinking that whether He is happy or angry > about our misprounciation of some mantras etc., For, the mind wanders > always like a vagabond and we need to pull it back in its place. We just > have to chant Hari Om and leave the rest to Him / surrender to Him, letting > him the choice of gracing us or otherwise. > > Also, our deeds should not be attached with any desire, which if so done, > results in a philosophical/spiritual state of happiness in us. For > example, in our professional life, afterall the struggle we put in, there > comes a time during the end of financial year, wherein we expect some > increments from the orgn. This expectation/desire is the very reason for > all miseries and the vasanas that we acquire while doing karma. It is just > like going on a pilgrimage not to see Perumal but ask for something or the > other from him, which itself nullifies the effort that we put in seeing > Him. > > > Net net, we just have to do things, just like the famous ad 'Just do it' > and surrender our mind/aatma to Him with the body doing things, > mechanically. We need to mortgage our mind (path for reaching aatman) with > Him with a condition that He will keep that with Him securely always. > > > Sukumar > > Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! > > > > Vijay-AW [sMTP:vijayalu] > 15/05/2003 5:15 PM > > Doership > > Dear bhagavathas > > what are the practical ways of doing our duties ( like our duties in > office, home etc) without the doership feeling?. > is it just that when we start the day we offer our prayers to the Lord that > whatever we do is just for His sake? what I mean is ; is that just a mental > affirmation?. > may be this question is too elementary. > > thanks > vijayaraghavan v k > > > > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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