Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 I read somewhere that the complete "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum >shashivarnam...... is Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum shashivarnam chathurbujam prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe sarva vignopha saanthaye Gajanaana padmasana gajanaana mahirsham ane`ka dantam bakthanaama eka dantam upasmayema. - Karpagam. >sukumar <sukumar >"Srirangasri" <Srirangasri>, >Oppiliappan <Oppiliappan>, "ramanuja" ><ramanuja> > RE: the meaning of pranavam >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530 > > >Sri Krishnaya Namah! > >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually >addressed to Lord Vishnu. > >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds. > > >Sukumar > >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! > >balajiv_54 [sMTP:balajiv_54] >29/04/2003 6:45 PM >bhakti-list >Re: the meaning of pranavam > >dear sir, >iam grateful for your apt replt to the meaning of pranavam(aum or ohm) >i am thinking in this way. >ohm is the begining of all,including brahma,vishnu and shivan.it is >this shakti which makes all gods do their functions like brahma does >the job of producing,vishnu does the job of protecting and shiva does >the job of destroying. all the three take their orders by yogic >power. as lord krishna says in geetha after he shows the virata >roopam. he says he could show this because of the yogic power he has >and all that is possible because he is an avatar of vishnu. > >in sandyavandanam we invoke this ohm after doing achamanam and >ganpathi dhiyanam.shuklam paradharam vishnum sasivarnam >chathurbhujam,prasanna vadanam dhiyayeth sarva vikhnoba shanthayedh. >in doing pranayamam we invoke the ohmkaram > >i do not know if iam correct.the learned may guide me. > >balaji > >bhakti-list, "Ram Anbil" <Ramanbil@h...> wrote: > > Dear friend: > > > > As per our Siddhantam, PraNavam comprises of three >syllables "a", "u" and > > 'ma". "a" denotes Sriman Narayana. "u" represents "Thaayaar". In >another > > yojana, it is said to denote "only", since "a" itself is taken to >denote the > > divine couplle (Sriman Narayana and His inseparable Consort, Sri > > Mahaalakshmi") "ma" represents the Jivatma. Taken together, it >means that > > the Jeevatma exists as the servitor ONLY for the divine couple as >aforesaid. > > > > Swami Desikan in his "Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram" has established >this > > truth beyond any doubt quoting appropriate PramaaNams from the >Vedas down to > > the least of our scriptures. >************************** >[ Rest clipped --Moderator] > > > >----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - >To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list >Group Home: bhakti-list >Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 "sukhlam bharadaram ...." appears as prelude to vishnu saharanamam(in the poorva bhagam). But no where the second stanza addressing Vinayaka/gajanana appears in it . In fact it is followed either by a stanza addressing vishwaksena(yasya dviradavaktradhya parisadyah....) or Vyasa(vyasam vasista naptharam....). From these, we can easily infer that "Shuklam bharadaram...." addresses the supreme vishnu/Narayana and only vishnu. The addition of the other stanza relating to vinayaka/gajanana is to mislead people by some unscrupulous elements. Sorry if this hurts someone's sentiments, but facts are facts and have to be taken at its face value. -vmkrishna M Karpagam <m_karpagam wrote: I read somewhere that the complete "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum >shashivarnam...... is Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum shashivarnam chathurbujam prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe sarva vignopha saanthaye Gajanaana padmasana gajanaana mahirsham ane`ka dantam bakthanaama eka dantam upasmayema. - Karpagam. >sukumar >"Srirangasri" , >Oppiliappan , "ramanuja" > > RE: the meaning of pranavam >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530 > > >Sri Krishnaya Namah! > >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually >addressed to Lord Vishnu. > >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds. > > >Sukumar > >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! > >balajiv_54 [sMTP:balajiv_54] >29/04/2003 6:45 PM >bhakti-list >Re: the meaning of pranavam > >dear sir, >iam grateful for your apt replt to the meaning of pranavam(aum or ohm) >i am thinking in this way. >ohm is the begining of all,including brahma,vishnu and shivan.it is >this shakti which makes all gods do their functions like brahma does >the job of producing,vishnu does the job of protecting and shiva does >the job of destroying. all the three take their orders by yogic >power. as lord krishna says in geetha after he shows the virata >roopam. he says he could show this because of the yogic power he has >and all that is possible because he is an avatar of vishnu. > >in sandyavandanam we invoke this ohm after doing achamanam and >ganpathi dhiyanam.shuklam paradharam vishnum sasivarnam >chathurbhujam,prasanna vadanam dhiyayeth sarva vikhnoba shanthayedh. >in doing pranayamam we invoke the ohmkaram > >i do not know if iam correct.the learned may guide me. > >balaji > >bhakti-list, "Ram Anbil" wrote: > > Dear friend: > > > > As per our Siddhantam, PraNavam comprises of three >syllables "a", "u" and > > 'ma". "a" denotes Sriman Narayana. "u" represents "Thaayaar". In >another > > yojana, it is said to denote "only", since "a" itself is taken to >denote the > > divine couplle (Sriman Narayana and His inseparable Consort, Sri > > Mahaalakshmi") "ma" represents the Jivatma. Taken together, it >means that > > the Jeevatma exists as the servitor ONLY for the divine couple as >aforesaid. > > > > Swami Desikan in his "Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram" has established >this > > truth beyond any doubt quoting appropriate PramaaNams from the >Vedas down to > > the least of our scriptures. >************************** >[ Rest clipped --Moderator] > > > >----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - >To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list >Group Home: bhakti-list >Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Srirangasri- Your use of is subject to Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Dear Sir, This is the way I was taught the meaning (in school - a long time back) and its transliteration. It is another way to look at the meaning of the sloka and may help understand why it may refer to Lord Vinayaka. Suklambaradaram - one who wears a white garment Visnum - all pervading Sasivarnam - one who has a brilliant complexion (like the full moon) Chaturbhujam - one who has four hands prasannavadanam - one who has an ever smiling face dhyayet - I meditate upon sarvavighnopashantaye- for the removal of all obstacles If we take the word "Visnum" for its literal sanskrit meaning and not as a reference to Lord Narayana, then this sloka could refer to Lord Vinayaka or any of the gods that people worship in our faith. Couple this with the line asking for "removal of all obstacles", the most common request asked of Lord Vinayaka and what he is known for as well. This interpretation may be why it is commonplace for people (me included) to think that this sloka refers to Lord Vinayaka. All languages are open to interpretation and Sanskrit, only more so. That is the beauty and the power of Sanskrit. Jai SrimanNarayana! Siva. Quoting Murali Krishna <vmkrishna26: > "sukhlam bharadaram ...." appears as prelude to vishnu saharanamam(in the > poorva bhagam). But no where the second stanza addressing Vinayaka/gajanana > appears in it . In fact it is followed either by a stanza addressing > vishwaksena(yasya dviradavaktradhya parisadyah....) or Vyasa(vyasam vasista > naptharam....). From these, we can easily infer that "Shuklam > bharadaram...." addresses the supreme vishnu/Narayana and only vishnu. The > addition of the other stanza relating to vinayaka/gajanana is to mislead > people by some unscrupulous elements. Sorry if this hurts someone's > sentiments, but facts are facts and have to be taken at its face value. > > -vmkrishna > > > > > M Karpagam <m_karpagam wrote: > I read somewhere that the complete > "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > >shashivarnam...... is > > Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum > shashivarnam chathurbujam > prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe > sarva vignopha saanthaye > > Gajanaana padmasana > gajanaana mahirsham > ane`ka dantam bakthanaama > eka dantam upasmayema. > > - Karpagam. > > > >sukumar > >"Srirangasri" , > >Oppiliappan , "ramanuja" > > > > RE: the meaning of pranavam > >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530 > > > > > >Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > > >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is > >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my > >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually > >addressed to Lord Vishnu. > > > >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord > >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds. > > > > > >Sukumar > > > >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Sri Bhaktan Most of us are taught the same, when we were in school. But that was age, as kids most of us take, what ever that is taught, as absolute. But, as we grow older, the outlook changes and one can decipher what is right and what is wrong. I apologize, if i hurt your sentiments, but, Say, for example had some teacher taught us in school that 1+1 = 5 then would we still say that 1+1 = 5, even now. This is merely an analogy. pls don't start an argument on this by saying that it can be proven.... If "Sukhlam bharadharam..." refers to Vinayaka, what is need for the second stanza i.e " Agajananana padmarkkam, gajananam aharnisam....". Even in the poorva bhagam of vishnu sahasranamam, where "sukhlam ..." is followed by "yasya dvirada.. .." . The latter stanza explicitly refers to Vishwaksena because the first one refers to Sriman Narayana. Had the first stanza i.e "sukhlam ..." itself refered to vishwaksena, then there is no need for the second stanza.... .So, we can safely conclude that "Suklam bharadaram..." refers to Vishnu only. Lets look at the last part of of this "Sukhlam bharadaram..". i.e "sarva vignopashantaye". Bhaktan, wrote that this quality of removing obstacles is associated with Vinayaka only...Why, can't Vishnu remove the obstacles...?. Infact, it is Vishnu who has removed all the obstacles and impediments(rakshasas et al) as per our ithihasas and puranas. So, every part of that particular stanza refers to Vishnu alone. I hope elite members of this list can throw more light on these issues(By giving us some pramanams from scriptures etc)... Infact there are many non vaishnava bramhins in A.P, who even goto the extent of saying that Vinayaka is an avatara of Narayana. They even associate MahaLakshmi with vinayaka, but as per satric sanctions Sri has to be worshipped with Narayana alone...I don't know what is the pramana for all this...I am sure that none of the sattvic scriptures suport their claims.... Jai sriman Narayana vmkrishna Bhaktan <bhaktan wrote: Dear Sir, This is the way I was taught the meaning (in school - a long time back) and its transliteration. It is another way to look at the meaning of the sloka and may help understand why it may refer to Lord Vinayaka. Suklambaradaram - one who wears a white garment Visnum - all pervading Sasivarnam - one who has a brilliant complexion (like the full moon) Chaturbhujam - one who has four hands prasannavadanam - one who has an ever smiling face dhyayet - I meditate upon sarvavighnopashantaye- for the removal of all obstacles If we take the word "Visnum" for its literal sanskrit meaning and not as a reference to Lord Narayana, then this sloka could refer to Lord Vinayaka or any of the gods that people worship in our faith. Couple this with the line asking for "removal of all obstacles", the most common request asked of Lord Vinayaka and what he is known for as well. This interpretation may be why it is commonplace for people (me included) to think that this sloka refers to Lord Vinayaka. All languages are open to interpretation and Sanskrit, only more so. That is the beauty and the power of Sanskrit. Jai SrimanNarayana! Siva. Quoting Murali Krishna : > "sukhlam bharadaram ...." appears as prelude to vishnu saharanamam(in the > poorva bhagam). But no where the second stanza addressing Vinayaka/gajanana > appears in it . In fact it is followed either by a stanza addressing > vishwaksena(yasya dviradavaktradhya parisadyah....) or Vyasa(vyasam vasista > naptharam....). From these, we can easily infer that "Shuklam > bharadaram...." addresses the supreme vishnu/Narayana and only vishnu. The > addition of the other stanza relating to vinayaka/gajanana is to mislead > people by some unscrupulous elements. Sorry if this hurts someone's > sentiments, but facts are facts and have to be taken at its face value. > > -vmkrishna > > > > > M Karpagam wrote: > I read somewhere that the complete > "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > >shashivarnam...... is > > Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum > shashivarnam chathurbujam > prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe > sarva vignopha saanthaye > > Gajanaana padmasana > gajanaana mahirsham > ane`ka dantam bakthanaama > eka dantam upasmayema. > > - Karpagam. > > > >sukumar > >"Srirangasri" , > >Oppiliappan , "ramanuja" > > > > RE: the meaning of pranavam > >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530 > > > > > >Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > > >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is > >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my > >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually > >addressed to Lord Vishnu. > > > >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord > >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds. > > > > > >Sukumar > > > >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! Srirangasri- Your use of is subject to Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 /namastE/ Concerning, the meaning of /Sukl/Ambara/dharam: Moreover, the expression, "shasi varnam" is not a common epithet for Lord /vishNu. He is surely, /kAr/mEni ceGkaN katir matiyam pOl mukattAn or /mEgha/varNam: of the color of the rain-bearing cloud. Whereas. SaSi is the moon of the autum season or equivalenly a rabbit -- somewhat yellowish and golden in color. But not /svarNam. /vandanam. Visu >Bhaktan <bhaktan > >Re: Shuklambaradaram Vishnum >Thu, 22 May 2003 15:08:53 +0000 > >Dear Sir, > >This is the way I was taught the meaning (in school - a long time back) and >its transliteration. >It is another way to look at the meaning of the sloka and may help >understand >why it may refer to Lord Vinayaka. > >Suklambaradaram - one who wears a white garment >Visnum - all pervading >Sasivarnam - one who has a brilliant complexion (like the full moon) >Chaturbhujam - one who has four hands >prasannavadanam - one who has an ever smiling face >dhyayet - I meditate upon >sarvavighnopashantaye- for the removal of all obstacles > >If we take the word "Visnum" for its literal sanskrit meaning and not as a >reference to Lord Narayana, then this sloka could refer to Lord Vinayaka or >any of the gods that people worship in our faith. Couple this with the line >asking for "removal of all obstacles", the most common request asked of >Lord >Vinayaka and what he is known for as well. > >This interpretation may be why it is commonplace for people (me included) >to >think that this sloka refers to Lord Vinayaka. > >All languages are open to interpretation and Sanskrit, only more so. >That is the beauty and the power of Sanskrit. > > >Jai SrimanNarayana! >Siva. > >Quoting Murali Krishna <vmkrishna26: > > > "sukhlam bharadaram ...." appears as prelude to vishnu saharanamam(in >the > > poorva bhagam). But no where the second stanza addressing >Vinayaka/gajanana > > appears in it . In fact it is followed either by a stanza addressing > > vishwaksena(yasya dviradavaktradhya parisadyah....) or Vyasa(vyasam >vasista > > naptharam....). From these, we can easily infer that "Shuklam > > bharadaram...." addresses the supreme vishnu/Narayana and only vishnu. >The > > addition of the other stanza relating to vinayaka/gajanana is to mislead > > people by some unscrupulous elements. Sorry if this hurts someone's > > sentiments, but facts are facts and have to be taken at its face value. > > > > -vmkrishna > > > > > > > > > > M Karpagam <m_karpagam wrote: > > I read somewhere that the complete > > "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > > >shashivarnam...... is > > > > Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum > > shashivarnam chathurbujam > > prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe > > sarva vignopha saanthaye > > > > Gajanaana padmasana > > gajanaana mahirsham > > ane`ka dantam bakthanaama > > eka dantam upasmayema. > > > > - Karpagam. > > > > > > >sukumar > > >"Srirangasri" , > > >Oppiliappan , "ramanuja" > > > > > > RE: the meaning of pranavam > > >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530 > > > > > > > > >Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > > > > >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram >Vishnum > > >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there >is > > >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my > > >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is >actually > > >addressed to Lord Vishnu. > > > > > >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord > > >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds. > > > > > > > > >Sukumar > > > > > >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! > > > _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 Dear friends, The first sloka of Sahasranamam invokes Narayana. Vishwaksena is the Commander in Chief of Narayana, there is a sub temple for Vishwaksena in the second prakara of the Srirangam Temple. To equate Vishwaksena with Ganapathi is an aberration and a lie which has been perpetuated. The second sloka quoted is not found in any text of the Sahasranamam and is obviously an interpolation. Satakopan. - "M Karpagam" <m_karpagam <sukumar; <Srirangasri>; <Oppiliappan>; <ramanuja> Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:29 AM Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > I read somewhere that the complete > "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > >shashivarnam...... is > > Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum > shashivarnam chathurbujam > prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe > sarva vignopha saanthaye > > Gajanaana padmasana > gajanaana mahirsham > ane`ka dantam bakthanaama > eka dantam upasmayema. > > - Karpagam. > > > >sukumar <sukumar > >"Srirangasri" <Srirangasri>, > >Oppiliappan <Oppiliappan>, "ramanuja" > ><ramanuja> > > RE: the meaning of pranavam > >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530 > > > > > >Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > > >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is > >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my > >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually > >addressed to Lord Vishnu. > > > >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord > >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds. > > > > > >Sukumar > > > >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! > > > >balajiv_54 [sMTP:balajiv_54] > >29/04/2003 6:45 PM > >bhakti-list > >Re: the meaning of pranavam > > > >dear sir, > >iam grateful for your apt replt to the meaning of pranavam(aum or ohm) > >i am thinking in this way. > >ohm is the begining of all,including brahma,vishnu and shivan.it is > >this shakti which makes all gods do their functions like brahma does > >the job of producing,vishnu does the job of protecting and shiva does > >the job of destroying. all the three take their orders by yogic > >power. as lord krishna says in geetha after he shows the virata > >roopam. he says he could show this because of the yogic power he has > >and all that is possible because he is an avatar of vishnu. > > > >in sandyavandanam we invoke this ohm after doing achamanam and > >ganpathi dhiyanam.shuklam paradharam vishnum sasivarnam > >chathurbhujam,prasanna vadanam dhiyayeth sarva vikhnoba shanthayedh. > >in doing pranayamam we invoke the ohmkaram > > > >i do not know if iam correct.the learned may guide me. > > > >balaji > > > >bhakti-list, "Ram Anbil" <Ramanbil@h...> wrote: > > > Dear friend: > > > > > > As per our Siddhantam, PraNavam comprises of three > >syllables "a", "u" and > > > 'ma". "a" denotes Sriman Narayana. "u" represents "Thaayaar". In > >another > > > yojana, it is said to denote "only", since "a" itself is taken to > >denote the > > > divine couplle (Sriman Narayana and His inseparable Consort, Sri > > > Mahaalakshmi") "ma" represents the Jivatma. Taken together, it > >means that > > > the Jeevatma exists as the servitor ONLY for the divine couple as > >aforesaid. > > > > > > Swami Desikan in his "Srimad Rahasya Traya Saaram" has established > >this > > > truth beyond any doubt quoting appropriate PramaaNams from the > >Vedas down to > > > the least of our scriptures. > >************************** > >[ Rest clipped --Moderator] > > > > > > > >----------------------------- > > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > >To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list > >Group Home: bhakti-list > >Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > _______________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 Dear friends, Vinayaka was not worshipped in South India and does not find a place in the Tamil Sangam literature, I have the authority of Dr U Ve Swaminatha Iyer, the grand old man of the Tamil Language. He was imported into the Tamil Country in the time of the Pallava Kings of Kanchi (650 AD) . In the the sculptures of the Gupta Kings of the Gangetic plains (3 to 5th Centuries AD). Vinayaka enjoys a niche in the aside, margin as a guardian image. This can be verified in the magnificent Dasavatara Temple at Devgad of the Gupta period, this temple, in ruins, is located 25 Kms from Lalithpur near Jhansi. Obviously Vinayaka is not a Vedic God and cannot enjoy the status of God. Satakopan. - "Bhaktan" <bhaktan <> Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:38 PM Re: Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > Dear Sir, > > This is the way I was taught the meaning (in school - a long time back) and > its transliteration. > It is another way to look at the meaning of the sloka and may help understand > why it may refer to Lord Vinayaka. > > Suklambaradaram - one who wears a white garment > Visnum - all pervading > Sasivarnam - one who has a brilliant complexion (like the full moon) > Chaturbhujam - one who has four hands > prasannavadanam - one who has an ever smiling face > dhyayet - I meditate upon > sarvavighnopashantaye- for the removal of all obstacles > > If we take the word "Visnum" for its literal sanskrit meaning and not as a > reference to Lord Narayana, then this sloka could refer to Lord Vinayaka or > any of the gods that people worship in our faith. Couple this with the line > asking for "removal of all obstacles", the most common request asked of Lord > Vinayaka and what he is known for as well. > > This interpretation may be why it is commonplace for people (me included) to > think that this sloka refers to Lord Vinayaka. > > All languages are open to interpretation and Sanskrit, only more so. > That is the beauty and the power of Sanskrit. > > > Jai SrimanNarayana! > Siva. > > Quoting Murali Krishna <vmkrishna26: > > > "sukhlam bharadaram ...." appears as prelude to vishnu saharanamam(in the > > poorva bhagam). But no where the second stanza addressing Vinayaka/gajanana > > appears in it . In fact it is followed either by a stanza addressing > > vishwaksena(yasya dviradavaktradhya parisadyah....) or Vyasa(vyasam vasista > > naptharam....). From these, we can easily infer that "Shuklam > > bharadaram...." addresses the supreme vishnu/Narayana and only vishnu. The > > addition of the other stanza relating to vinayaka/gajanana is to mislead > > people by some unscrupulous elements. Sorry if this hurts someone's > > sentiments, but facts are facts and have to be taken at its face value. > > > > -vmkrishna > > > > > > > > > > M Karpagam <m_karpagam wrote: > > I read somewhere that the complete > > "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > > >shashivarnam...... is > > > > Shuklaambaradaram Vishnum > > shashivarnam chathurbujam > > prasanna vadanam dhiyayethe > > sarva vignopha saanthaye > > > > Gajanaana padmasana > > gajanaana mahirsham > > ane`ka dantam bakthanaama > > eka dantam upasmayema. > > > > - Karpagam. > > > > > > >sukumar > > >"Srirangasri" , > > >Oppiliappan , "ramanuja" > > > > > > RE: the meaning of pranavam > > >Tue, 20 May 2003 19:03:10 +0530 > > > > > > > > >Sri Krishnaya Namah! > > > > > >I have been looking for meaning of the sloka -- "Shuklambaradaram Vishnum > > >shashivarnam............." As I can deduce nowhere in this sloka there is > > >mention of Vinayaka, while there is a mention of Lord Vishnu. One of my > > >acquintances (who is a purohit) also told me that this sloka is actually > > >addressed to Lord Vishnu. > > > > > >If this is for Vinayaka, then do we have any such sloka for Lord > > >Vishwaksena, which is chanted before starting any auspicious deeds. > > > > > > > > >Sukumar > > > > > >Sri Krishnaparabrahmane Namah! > > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 Hi, Iam seeing everybody's comments from past few days, As far as Vinayaka is concerned, the worship of vinayaka/ganapati is said in the vedas which well before 3rd or 5th century I guess. The most popular verse being Gananaamathva ganapathi gumvahamahe, kavim kavena......... If this is wrong, please excuse me. Srimathe Hayagreevaya namaha. With Rgds Chetan k. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2003 Report Share Posted May 27, 2003 Narayana Smaranas According to Sri Sri Rangapriya swamigal Lord vinayaka is been worshipped by non srivaishanvas and Srivaishnavaites worship as Vishwaksena. According to Yoga sutras,in the Mooladhara chakra, Lord Ganesh is residing and one has to pray for him to make a way for upward journey Dwarka chetan k wrote: > Hi, > Iam seeing everybody's comments from past few days, > As far as Vinayaka is concerned, the worship of vinayaka/ganapati is said in the vedas which well before 3rd or 5th century I guess. > The most popular verse being > > Gananaamathva ganapathi gumvahamahe, kavim kavena......... > > If this is wrong, please excuse me. > > Srimathe Hayagreevaya namaha. > > > With Rgds > Chetan k. > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 Dear Bhagavatas: In spite of our pleadings that this discussions may be closed, members continue to post their views. Having allowed the original posting, it became necessary for us to post the repartees. Let us assure you that this will be definitely the last posting allowed on the subject. Further discussions may be carried on between those interested through personal mails. Thanks for your understanding Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy Moderator ========================================================================= i DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE GIVEN TO VINAYAKA SO MUCH.iF WE CALL OURSELVES AS SRIVAISHNAVA ,FOLLOWER OF SRI RAMANUJA SIDHANTA,THE ONLY ONE WHOM WE ARE SUPPOSED TO WORSHIP IS SRIMAN NARAYANA.WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO WORSHIP ANY OTHER GOD EVEN FOR MUNDANE BENIFITS.(ANANYA BHAKTI)INFACT THERE IS NO OTHER GOD EXCEPT HIM.OTHERS ARE DEMIGODS .DURING OUR NITYAKARMANUSHTANAM IF AT ALL WE COME ACROSS NAMES OF OTHER GODS,IT IS TO BE TAKEN AS SRIMAN NARAYANA ONLY AS HE IS THE SOLE ANTARYAMI & CONTROLLER OF EVERYTHING & EVERYBODY.HENCE AS A SHRIVAISHNAVITE EVEN DO NOT DREAM OF WORSHIPPING OTHER GODS. DASAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 According to Mr.Dwaraknath, Ganesh/Vinayaka is situated in the middle of Mooladhara chakra and one has to Pray for him to make a way for upward journey. If this is so, why do Srivaishnavas or infact vaisnavas et al worship Narayana/vishnu/krishna?. One can just worship only Ganesh and company and move upward. Incase of "Sukhlam bharadaram..", somebody wrote that Sasi varnam (Yellow or golden hued) is not a common epithet for vishnu. As Vishnu is omni potent and omni present, he can be sasi varnam or any other varnam. Infact, there are many references in vedas,ithihasas,puranas as well as in vishnu sahasranamam where Vishnu is Golden hued(Suvarna varno hemango....in vishnu sahasranamam). Sasi varnam also means white hued. This exactly applies to Hayagreeva avtaram(Jnanananda mayam devam nirmala sphatikakrutim..). Sphatikakrutim means Pure white form. Rgds VMKrishna , "H.R.Dwarkanath" <hrdc@v...> wrote: > Narayana Smaranas > According to Sri Sri Rangapriya swamigal Lord vinayaka is been worshipped by non srivaishanvas and Srivaishnavaites worship as > Vishwaksena. According to Yoga sutras,in the Mooladhara chakra, Lord Ganesh is residing and one has to pray for him to make a way for > upward journey > > Dwarka > > chetan k wrote: > > > Hi, > > Iam seeing everybody's comments from past few days, > > As far as Vinayaka is concerned, the worship of vinayaka/ganapati is said in the vedas which well before 3rd or 5th century I guess. > > The most popular verse being > > > > Gananaamathva ganapathi gumvahamahe, kavim kavena......... > > > > If this is wrong, please excuse me. > > > > Srimathe Hayagreevaya namaha. > > > > > > With Rgds > > Chetan k. > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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