Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 SriRamaJayam Namaskarams to all, I was just contemplating this morning on asking some questions about the salagramam and here is a very nice posting about it. The information provided by Sri Ramachandran is very wonderful and much useful. I had asked this question much earlier, but did not get any answer for it. Could somebody please tell me as to how to characterize the different salagramams from their forms and the ways of obtaining them. I am desirous of obtaining a Lakshmi Narasimha Salagramam. What features do I look out for in the salagramam to decipher it represents Lakshmi Narasimhaswamy. And where can I obtain one? Is it obtainable with the Acharyas or Mutts? I would be most grateful for answers for the above. Thank you, Sudarshan Iyer. ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Sri Sudarshan: I can't say where you can procure them but here is a table giving info on characteristics of various murthys. This has been compiled from the various articles on Saligramam by HH Srimad Paravakkottai Andavan of Srimad Andavan Poundarikapuram Ashramam, Srirangam. Regards, Narasimhan sudarshan subramanian wrote: > SriRamaJayam > > Namaskarams to all, > > I was just contemplating this morning on asking some > questions about the salagramam and here is a very nice > posting about it. The information provided by Sri > Ramachandran is very wonderful and much useful. > > I had asked this question much earlier, but did not > get any answer for it. Could somebody please tell me > as to how to characterize the different salagramams > from their forms and the ways of obtaining them. I am > desirous of obtaining a Lakshmi Narasimha Salagramam. > What features do I look out for in the salagramam to > decipher it represents Lakshmi Narasimhaswamy. And > where can I obtain one? Is it obtainable with the > Acharyas or Mutts? I would be most grateful for > answers for the above. > > Thank you, > > Sudarshan Iyer. > > ______________________ > Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. > visit http://in.tv. > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Shri Narasimhan Ananth: Since you seem to desire to procure a Saligramam, consult your acharaya/guru or elders. Get the date/timings and other general,repeat general external conditions/influences like Rahu kalam, basic days i.e. say Adi Puram for instance, which if one is not mistaken is Andal's birth annivarsary. This is a very very general example. Or Hanumar Jayanthi. The point is it is highly desirable if you go through the exhalted and accomplished Eternally Divine Devoutees who are the LORD's closest associates. By choosing the date/timing connected to the Devoutee you are indirectly doing two things : a. you are telling the Devoutee in this case, say for example Lord Anjanaya, "look I am going in for your Master's worship through the manifestation on natural material(stone)". This will extremely please the Devoutee who will ensure that nothing comes in the way b. you are also telling the LORD that you are just nothing, a mere particle of dust, and not eligible to come in front of the LORD with your present condition/sins/problems/ etc. but you are approaching through HIS appointed and recognised Bhaktas. Can you think of approaching the President directly ? You have to meet the clerk, who will ask you to meet the Division head who will take you to the PA's secretary and then to the PA, who will decide whether or not you are fit to meet the President. Both these (a) and (b) will achieve your goal. The LORD will be pleased that you are not presumptuous and casual and he will also be pleased that his Bhakta's Devoution is recognised. A day before you buy, eat sparingly, simple food. Keep on chanting the Om Namo Narayana and deeply pray. Keep all routine activities, visits, travel etc. to the bare minimum. Do not publicise your intentions to all and sundry. Keep it a small, simple family affair. The entire family, if possible all members who are in the same city may join - now-a-days joint families are rare. Dress in traditional, cleanly washed clothes. Do not wear lot of jewellery/gaudy dress Take an appointment if possible with the vendor/shopkeeper/person who is going to give you the Saligramam. Before making the final decision, generally seek everyone's concurrence/acceptance even a child's. Do not handover to the child if it seeks but just show and explain softly . devoutedly appreciate the quality, texture, size, smoothness and other features to ensure that all requirements are met and it is satisfactory to all. While bringing the Saligramam home, try to avoid public transport. Om tat Sat Tat tvam asi Narasimhan Ananth sudarshan subramanian <darshanaiyer <ananth@ramsofte cc: , ch.com> sv-rituals, s.ramachandran Re: Saligramam 05/30/03 11:39 AM Dear Sri Sudarshan: I can't say where you can procure them but here is a table giving info on characteristics of various murthys. This has been compiled from the various articles on Saligramam by HH Srimad Paravakkottai Andavan of Srimad Andavan Poundarikapuram Ashramam, Srirangam. Regards, Narasimhan sudarshan subramanian wrote: > SriRamaJayam > > Namaskarams to all, > > I was just contemplating this morning on asking some > questions about the salagramam and here is a very nice > posting about it. The information provided by Sri > Ramachandran is very wonderful and much useful. > > I had asked this question much earlier, but did not > get any answer for it. Could somebody please tell me > as to how to characterize the different salagramams > from their forms and the ways of obtaining them. I am > desirous of obtaining a Lakshmi Narasimha Salagramam. > What features do I look out for in the salagramam to > decipher it represents Lakshmi Narasimhaswamy. And > where can I obtain one? Is it obtainable with the > Acharyas or Mutts? I would be most grateful for > answers for the above. > > Thank you, > > Sudarshan Iyer. > > ______________________ > Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. > visit http://in.tv. > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > Your use of is subject to (See attached file: saligrama-Murthy lakshanas table.doc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Respected all, There are a lot of nice things that the author has mentioned in the email , except for the fact that a saligramam should never ever be purchased. You should try to get it through a lineage/acharyas and this fact has been addressed by our porva charyas. So please do conuslt acharyas before taking any such haste decision. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan --- s.ramachandran wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Bhagavathas Adiyen wants to add some statements regarding procuring Saligrama perumals. There are some complexities involved in getting saligrama perumal for aradhanam. According to Sastras, Saligrama perumal should not be bought or sold. Adiyen does not know the pramana slokam. But adiyen has read this in Late Sri U.Ve Melpakkam Nrusimhachariar's question/answers that appeared in the form of a book and adiyen has read this in the series of articles written by the present Srimath Poundarikapuram Andavan Swamigal. Adiyen believes that Srimath Azhagiyasingar's Ahnika grantham also states that one should not buy or sell saligramams. (Not very sure but vaguely remember reading these statements when adiyen had got saligrama perumal from somebody). So there is no question of going to a VENDOR or SHOPKEEPER. Nowadays, adiyen has seen stores like "Giri Traders etc" selling saligramams though it is not correct. Usually the saligrama perumals are passed from old generations to present generation. Sometimes, some people might not be able to due to aradhanam and one can get it from them (provided the person whi is procuring is going to do thiru aradhanam regularly). Sometimes perumal is given by the girl's parents when one gets married. Even in all these cases, there is no question of buying. So, it is better to approach one's acharyan or elders or relatives who are doing aradhanam regularly. Sometimes, I have heard some people actually getting saligrama perumal from Nepal by actually picking the saligrama perumal from gantaki river. Also it is in vogue to give some sambhavanai or dakshinai to the person who gives Saligrama perumal. Adiyen does not know whether this is also correct or not. Also, you have to consult an elder who knows saligrama sila sastra as to identify whether the murthy is satvik or not or is the right moorthi for aradhanam. Some moorthis are not suitable for worship by gruhastars and some moorthis like jwala nrusimhar can be worshipped by sanyasis. When adiyen was conversing with Sri. U.Ve Azhisur Ranganathachariar Swami (present SriAhobilamutt Aradhakar), he was telling that one should not get some saligrama moorthi from some person right away. One has to check in what condition the person is and why he is giving the moorthi and if the person is good enough etc. The reason he states is that we will get his samskarams when we get saligrama moorthis from another person. Also some people give saligrama perumals to temples. In such cases, you can approach nearby perumal koils also. But here also enquire the source. Some people after procuring saligrama perumal actually ask the perumal koil archakar nearby to do aradhanam to this perumal for 48 days and then take it to their houses. Though there are not pramanams for these, some of these are in vogue. Of all, the most important thing is also to have undergone samshreyanam which is an eligibility criteria for doing aradhanam. Atleast this is valid for SriVaishnavites. If the person who is asking is an iyer and non-vaishnavite then i do not know the rules on what are the qualifications for doing aradhanam. So, the best bet is to approach one's acharyan or an acharyan whom you know and get it from him (OR) consult with elders of their family who have been doing aradhanam for long time. They might know the correct way of getting saligrama perumals. Please do not think that adiyen is confusing bhagavathals with lots of information. But these are things you might want to think about before starting your search. Perumal will definitely bless aspirants who want to do thiruvaradhanam and will lead them to the right way for getting saligrama moorthis for worship. Regards Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Lakshminarasimhan. S. ------------------------- Srimathe Lakshminrusimha divya pAduka sevika srivan satakopa Sri Narayana Yathindra MahadesikAya Namaha ------------------------- >s.ramachandran >Narasimhan Ananth <ananth >CC: sudarshan subramanian ><darshanaiyer,,sv-rituals\ om >Re: Saligramam >Fri, 30 May 2003 21:10:51 +0530 > > > > > > >Dear Shri Narasimhan Ananth: > >Since you seem to desire to procure a Saligramam, consult your >acharaya/guru or elders. Get the date/timings and other general,repeat >general external conditions/influences like Rahu kalam, basic days i.e. >say Adi Puram for instance, which if one is not mistaken is Andal's birth >annivarsary. This is a very very general example. Or Hanumar Jayanthi. >The point is it is highly desirable if you go through the exhalted and >accomplished Eternally Divine Devoutees who are the LORD's closest >associates. By choosing the date/timing connected to the Devoutee you are >indirectly doing two things : > >a. you are telling the Devoutee in this case, say for example Lord >Anjanaya, "look I am going in for your Master's worship through the >manifestation on natural material(stone)". This will extremely please the >Devoutee who will ensure that nothing comes in the way > >b. you are also telling the LORD that you are just nothing, a mere particle >of dust, and not eligible to come in front of the LORD with your present >condition/sins/problems/ etc. but you are approaching through HIS appointed >and recognised Bhaktas. Can you think of approaching the President >directly ? You have to meet the clerk, who will ask you to meet the >Division head who will take you to the PA's secretary and then to the PA, >who will decide whether or not you are fit to meet the President. > >Both these (a) and (b) will achieve your goal. The LORD will be pleased >that you are not presumptuous and casual and he will also be pleased that >his Bhakta's Devoution is recognised. > >A day before you buy, eat sparingly, simple food. Keep on chanting the Om >Namo Narayana and deeply pray. Keep all routine activities, visits, travel >etc. to the bare minimum. Do not publicise your intentions to all and >sundry. Keep it a small, simple family affair. The entire family, if >possible all members who are in the same city may join - now-a-days joint >families are rare. Dress in traditional, cleanly washed clothes. Do not >wear lot of jewellery/gaudy dress Take an appointment if possible with the >vendor/shopkeeper/person who is going to give you the Saligramam. Before >making the final decision, generally seek everyone's concurrence/acceptance >even a child's. Do not handover to the child if it seeks but just show and >explain softly . > >devoutedly appreciate the quality, texture, size, smoothness and other >features to ensure that all requirements are met and it is satisfactory to >all. > >While bringing the Saligramam home, try to avoid public transport. > >Om tat Sat >Tat tvam asi > > > > > Narasimhan > Ananth sudarshan >subramanian <darshanaiyer > <ananth@ramsofte cc: >, > ch.com> sv-rituals, >s.ramachandran > Re: >Saligramam > 05/30/03 11:39 > AM > > > > > > >Dear Sri Sudarshan: >I can't say where you can procure them but here is a table giving info on >characteristics of various murthys. This has been compiled from the various >articles on Saligramam by HH Srimad Paravakkottai Andavan of Srimad >Andavan Poundarikapuram Ashramam, Srirangam. > >Regards, >Narasimhan > > >sudarshan subramanian wrote: > > > SriRamaJayam > > > > Namaskarams to all, > > > > I was just contemplating this morning on asking some > > questions about the salagramam and here is a very nice > > posting about it. The information provided by Sri > > Ramachandran is very wonderful and much useful. > > > > I had asked this question much earlier, but did not > > get any answer for it. Could somebody please tell me > > as to how to characterize the different salagramams > > from their forms and the ways of obtaining them. I am > > desirous of obtaining a Lakshmi Narasimha Salagramam. > > What features do I look out for in the salagramam to > > decipher it represents Lakshmi Narasimhaswamy. And > > where can I obtain one? Is it obtainable with the > > Acharyas or Mutts? I would be most grateful for > > answers for the above. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sudarshan Iyer. > > > > ______________________ > > Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. > > visit http://in.tv. > > > > > > > > Srirangasri- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > >(See attached file: saligrama-Murthy lakshanas table.doc) > > > > > > > > >Srirangasri- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 SrI: SrIman Lakshminarasimahan is coorect in his views. Thanks for his mail on the core issues. The SaaligrAmam web site under development will have information on many of these points. It will have inputs from current AchAryAs and will contain Moorthy LakshaNams. trip to gantaki river and visit to the dhivya desam of SaaLigramam will also be included along with the Dhivya prabhandha Paasurams on the EmperumAn of SaaLigrAmam. It is the opinion of AchAryAs that one should use as a name "SaaLigramam" instead of popular "Saalagramam". Selling or buying of SaaLigrama Moortham is a no , no! AarAdhanam after acquiring the Moortham from a qualified person is not difficult by the initiated devotee , who can perform laghu AaarAdhanam ..Saaligrama Moortham is the most forgiving Moortham , if there are unintended lapses. The restrictions on the aarAdhanam of specific Moorthams still apply . There is a world of Information on SaaLigraamam AarAdhanam.We hope to bring it out in the new Web site under creation . V.Sadagopan The first version should be ready in few weeks time. >Dear Bhagavathas > >Adiyen wants to add some statements regarding procuring Saligrama perumals. >There are some complexities involved in getting saligrama perumal for >aradhanam. > >According to Sastras, Saligrama perumal should not be bought or sold. >Adiyen does not know the pramana slokam. But adiyen has read this in Late >Sri U.Ve Melpakkam Nrusimhachariar's question/answers that appeared in the >form of a book and adiyen has read this in the series of articles written by >the present Srimath Poundarikapuram Andavan Swamigal. Adiyen believes that >Srimath Azhagiyasingar's Ahnika grantham also states that one should not buy >or sell saligramams. (Not very sure but vaguely remember reading these >statements when adiyen had got saligrama perumal from somebody). So there is >no question of going to a VENDOR or SHOPKEEPER. Nowadays, adiyen has seen >stores like "Giri Traders etc" selling saligramams though it is not correct. >Usually the saligrama perumals are passed from old generations to present >generation. Sometimes, some people might not be able to due to aradhanam and >one can get it from them (provided the person whi is procuring is going to >do thiru aradhanam regularly). Sometimes perumal is given by the girl's >parents when one gets married. Even in all these cases, there is no question >of buying. > >So, it is better to approach one's acharyan or elders or relatives who are >doing aradhanam regularly. Sometimes, I have heard some people actually >getting saligrama perumal from Nepal by actually picking the saligrama >perumal from gantaki river. Also it is in vogue to give some sambhavanai or >dakshinai to the person who gives Saligrama perumal. Adiyen does not know >whether this is also correct or not. > >Also, you have to consult an elder who knows saligrama sila sastra as to >identify whether the murthy is satvik or not or is the right moorthi for >aradhanam. Some moorthis are not suitable for worship by gruhastars and some >moorthis like jwala nrusimhar can be worshipped by sanyasis. When adiyen >was conversing with Sri. U.Ve Azhisur Ranganathachariar Swami (present >SriAhobilamutt Aradhakar), he was telling that one should not get some >saligrama moorthi from some person right away. One has to check in what >condition the person is and why he is giving the moorthi and if the person >is good enough etc. The reason he states is that we will get his samskarams >when we get saligrama moorthis from another person. > >Also some people give saligrama perumals to temples. In such cases, you can >approach nearby perumal koils also. But here also enquire the source. Some >people after procuring saligrama perumal actually ask the perumal koil >archakar nearby to do aradhanam to this perumal for 48 days and then take it >to their houses. Though there are not pramanams for these, some of these are >in vogue. > >Of all, the most important thing is also to have undergone samshreyanam >which is an eligibility criteria for doing aradhanam. Atleast this is valid >for SriVaishnavites. If the person who is asking is an iyer and >non-vaishnavite then i do not know the rules on what are the qualifications >for doing aradhanam. > >So, the best bet is to approach one's acharyan or an acharyan whom you know >and get it from him (OR) consult with elders of their family who have been >doing aradhanam for long time. They might know the correct way of getting >saligrama perumals. > >Please do not think that adiyen is confusing bhagavathals with lots of >information. But these are things you might want to think about before >starting your search. Perumal will definitely bless aspirants who want to do >thiruvaradhanam and will lead them to the right way for getting saligrama >moorthis for worship. > >Regards >Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan >Lakshminarasimhan. S. > > > ************************************************************** * Sent from Computer.Net Web Portal: http://web.computer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Respected Friends: Shri Anand absolutely Iyengaris right. The writer's mistake in not properly wording his message. Saligramam should not be purchased. What the writer meant when he mentioned about the shopkeeper etc. was the person who was/is supposed to give. Sorry, the intention was not to mean a shopkeeper literally as in a market. Om tat Sat Tat tvam asi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Shri S. Ramachandran Swamin (adiyen hopes that the name is correct from email address) There is no need to say words like "thousand pardons etc". Adiyen just wanted to add information to your article. Your article was very enlightening and adiyen learnt some of the things from your article. Also there are restrictions on when to pluck thulasi. It is also the aradhakar who has to pluck thulasi leaves. There is a sloka to be said during plucking of thulasi. For these purposes, bhagavathas should refer "Ahnika Grantham" from Idanim Srimath Azhagiyasingar (Adiyen's acharyan). As Sri. Satakopan Swamin pointed out this is an invaluable reference and has lots of informations about procedures for performing Sandya Vandanam, Aradhana kramam, observing SriJayanthi, SriNrusimha Jayanthi, Vaiswadevam, observing vrathams , eclipses and more. Regards Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Lakshminarasimhan S. ------------------------- Srimathe Lakshminrusimha divya pAduka sevika srivan satakopa Sri Narayana Yathindra MahadesikAya Namaha ------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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