Limiting!

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Dear Bhagavatottamas,

 

Sri Badri Narayan swamy's question 'stated below' is exactly

relevant & thats why 'Emberumanaar' has defined Brahman

as 'Swabhaavathaha: Nirastha Nikhila doosha anavadhikaadhishaya

asankhyeya kalyana gunagana'. Every word has volumes of meaning

here. 'Swabhavathaha' means by nature. So Lord is by nature devoid of

all doshams & hence has all 'kalyanagunas'. The understanding of this

w.r.t to limits raised by sri Badri swamy is as follows:

 

Paramathma is pure Sathvagunam, therefore above all doshagunams.

Thats the ultimate state. Whatever acts he peforms, they are acts of

pure 'sathvagunam' and no doshagunam can be attributed to it. From

the refernce frame of paramathma, all acts are blemishless and

no 'Sastra' can bind them for he is above all Sastras (laws). Simple

E.g. he can change the laws of physics as in Ramayan (floating of

stones).

 

The doshagunams start appearing only for the jeevathmans, comprising

of impurities (mixture of 3 gunams: sattva, tamo & raja). The

distinction of good act vs evil acts start appearing here &

determined by Sastras which are actually set by 'paramathma'(his

commands-law).

 

Therefore calling him to have 'all Kalyanagunams' is the only way to

make him unlimited. On the contrary, calling him to have doshagunams

will only then start really limiting him which is not in line with

definition of vedas & upanishads. Once again 'hail Emberumanaar' for

his excellent definition.

 

I hope I did some justice to the question. May be other swamies can

do better justice.

 

Pranams

Sajjana padapadmaparamanuhu

Lakshmi Narasimha dasan

 

 

 

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Badri Narayan <jbadri77>

Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:55 am

Shoonya

 

 

 

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Aren't we limiting God by saying that he is without defects.?

 

Adiyen

Badri

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Respected members:

 

The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali who is none other than the Great Adiseshan

Himself has very aptly described this :

 

1. first He talks about the things which create problems in humans i.e. the

mind and the thought processes

2. then He explores some solutions

3. Finally at some point He declares six facts:

 

a.These problems can be overcome by meditating on /surrendering to a

special entity.

b. This special entity is defined as "Visesha Purusha" i.e. a Special

and different entity

c. The key features of this "Visesha Purusha" is unlike all of us,

Visesha Purusha is not

bound by time, kleshas(simplified as doshas ), gunas

 

Note: Even Patanjali Himself admits - if one reads the various

scholarly commentaries by various

great persons including Vysya, Adi Sankara etc. - He Patanjali

has some little residue of kleshas and

gunas, whereas for the Visesha Purusha none of these are

applicable. The concept of guna is

totally not relevant to the Visesha Purusha.

 

d. This Visesha Purusha is the most ancient and first/foremost Guru

e. He manifests as sound OM

f. And therefore, if nothing is possible, then one may meditate on

this single word and that is enough

 

Ultimately, the essence of what Patanjali has espoused is : There is a

different, better, higher state/entity and this entity/state is what should

be the ideal which we humans should strive to meet and this

ideal/state/entity is UNLIMITED in all respects and is the substance of

everything

 

Om tat sat

Tat tvam asi