Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 There seems a lot of confusion over how a Srivaishnava bramhin lived those days for retired people who would want to live that way.Many Srivaishnava books on the subjects say that you have to finish both sandhyavandanams before performing Thiruvaradhanai. However in books pertaning to Sandhyavandanam it is said that the best time to perform madhyanikam is 12.30-1.30 PM. It would have taken not less then 1 -2 hours to finish the Aradhanam. Does that mean people had their first meal at 2 or 2.30 PM( they would get Ulcer fo sure). There is also guidance that tarpanam should be performed after the Aradhanam that mean a further delayed first meal. There is also a lot of confusion in the simple rituals due to sampardaya bheda. This like performing one pranayama and 10 chantings of the same as japa before embarking on Gayatri avahnam. There is different versions given in different books from the same Mutt or publications. There are different pronounciations given for the same Vakya in different books from ditterent mutts and different books from the same Mutt. How does one explain that. Today even brihaspathis of individual families seem to look more at dakshina then at teaching the correct mode. On questioning they further confuse you. There is one more thing When one should recite Scriptures both for mokshartha and kamiArtha. Savdyaya is described as the correct time to do the same according to several books from different mutts. However i have seen several Erudite Vaishvavites perform the same as soon as they finish ijya aradhanam. Is the former correct or the later? Is there no one who can authoritativley guide us with the right timings and process and mantras and prayoga. I read a book by Sri "Anna" which gives Sandyhavandanam for Shaivaites in a very lucid and detailed manner. It is however very sad that no one does the same in Sri Vaishvavisim. There are also gaps like do we have to offer prayschita argay when we perfom Madyanikam in the mornings along with prathah sandya( for office goers). Please do help to clarify. These doubts create a lot of pain and ignorance pushees one not to perform these anushtanams for fear of doing the wrong thing. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 What Sister Geetha said is correct. Those days our anchestors are doing all anushtanams and have lunch at 2.00 P.M. But they will not get ulcer becuase they chant the mantra and do japam. That removes negative energy and creates positive vibration. They breath good air in the properway when they do pranayamam. That will not create hungry. Moreover they will have one time food (quality food) a day. That is why they lived long life in hale & healthy. Those days doctors will not have much patients. Even if they have any probelm they will not take any tablets instead they will take natural treatment. Once we start to go to Alopathy (English medicines) we have all types of illness and problem in our body. In our Vaishnavasim we have lot of branches and difference principles. That is why nobody has written clear book in our group (like Anna). In "Veda" it is clearly explained how to do pranayamam & sandhyavandanam. Our sister can refer the veda book. If I you feel anything wrong in this message please forgive me. Adiyen Daasan KSR Thathachari :-Geetha Rajan <teegsraj wrote: > > > There seems a lot of confusion over how a > Srivaishnava bramhin lived > those days for retired people who would want to live > that way.Many > Srivaishnava books on the subjects say that you have > to finish both > sandhyavandanams before performing Thiruvaradhanai. > > However in books pertaning to Sandhyavandanam it is > said that the > best time to perform madhyanikam is 12.30-1.30 PM. > It would have > taken not less then 1 -2 hours to finish the > Aradhanam. Does that > mean people had their first meal at 2 or 2.30 PM( > they would get > Ulcer fo sure). > > There is also guidance that tarpanam should be > performed after the > Aradhanam that mean a further delayed first meal. > > There is also a lot of confusion in the simple > rituals due to > sampardaya bheda. This like performing one pranayama > and 10 chantings > of the same as japa before embarking on Gayatri > avahnam. There is > different versions given in different books from the > same Mutt or > publications. > > There are different pronounciations given for the > same Vakya in > different books from ditterent mutts and different > books from the > same Mutt. > > How does one explain that. Today even brihaspathis > of individual > families seem to look more at dakshina then at > teaching the correct > mode. On questioning they further confuse you. > > There is one more thing When one should recite > Scriptures both for > mokshartha and kamiArtha. > > Savdyaya is described as the correct time to do the > same according to > several books from different mutts. > > However i have seen several Erudite Vaishvavites > perform the same as > soon as they finish ijya aradhanam. > > Is the former correct or the later? > > Is there no one who can authoritativley guide us > with the right > timings and process and mantras and prayoga. > > I read a book by Sri "Anna" which gives > Sandyhavandanam for > Shaivaites in a very lucid and detailed manner. It > is however very > sad that no one does the same in Sri Vaishvavisim. > > There are also gaps like do we have to offer > prayschita argay when we > perfom Madyanikam in the mornings along with prathah > sandya( for > office goers). > > Please do help to clarify. These doubts create a lot > of pain and > ignorance pushees one not to perform these > anushtanams for fear of > doing the wrong thing. > > regards > > > > > Chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Dear Bhagavathas, I endorse the views expressed by Sh Geetha Rajan on Sandhyavandanam. If Sri Anna's book is better than from others Srivaishnavas can follow that without much change. To my knowledge only Sankalpam differs that too Parameswara is to be replaced with Narayana or Bhagavat preetyartham as per sampradhAyam. Many times I also pondered over madhyanikam timings, ArAdhana after that etc. One of my relatives told that you can start Madhyanikam after 8:30 am. In that case, if you happen to do PrAthas Sandhya, can you do mAdhyanikam immediately after Prathas or skip the PrAthas and go for mAdhyanikam directly. In a family, is it correct to do one doing prAthas and other member doing mAdhyanikam at the same time. Confusions still there. If any one clarifies with authentic source of information many would be benefitted. Adiyen [K Balaji] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Bhavagatha charanam! I am a smartha brahmin. i think my samskarams did not bless me with shrivaishnavam though i think shriya:pathy belongs to me also. Shri Anna's book is a ready reference. There are many nuances which are missed in any sandhyavandanam book. I think the book by Kadalangudi and Somedeva sharma are much more authentic for a yajur sandhya. Yes, there are some minor variations in practice. The shankalpam is different. Navagraha tharpanam is not there for shrivaishnavas. etc. etc. But, the real practice of gayatri japam and arghyam has to be learned through a learned guru only. These days even house brahaspatis do not know finer points. The difference between gayatri chandas mantram and nichrut gayatri chandas mantram, their anustana differences, the chandas used for arghyam is different from the chandas used for japam. (this is evidenced by the nithyanustanam book published by shri mutt also). In this regard, We are discussing the finer points in list. You may choose to refer that. The parents also do not know many things. They rely on books and tapes, instead of practice. All this talk about prataha and madhyanigam timing etc is making this sandhya look like a great yagna to be performed. Actually, this is a quite simple 10 minute job, if only parents show their children by example rather than tapes and books. Our Shri Jeeyar swamy has spoke on this timings on madhyanikam many times. These were discussed in bhakti list also earlier. You may search for the archives for that. You can NEVER skip any timings and jump to the next one. Even if NEXT DAY HAS COME, You should first perform previous evening sandhya and THEN do morning sandhya. This is my understanding. I saw one book published by one Seshadri (or Balaji) by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. That says gayatri japam can be recited using japa malai. Absurd. Vedamata should not be chanted except counting by hand. Such absurdities abound. I found the Shri Ahobila mutt's book published from banagalore (in tamil, nagaram, kannada) to be concise with pictures. That is the best I have today for shri vaishnavas. All sandhya should be done at exact time. If not possible, always to the closest possible to correct timing. Therefore, 8.30 am is better than 7 am for madhyanikam. After 8.30 am is madhyanika kalam for snanam (bath) also. Therefore, It is better at 8.30 rather than 7 am also. There are many more issues. These days upanayanam has become a fashion statement rather than a vaidic initiation done with reverence. Also, It is more of a convenience. All Upanayams should be done over 4 days period. The boy should preserve agni (samitaa-danam) at the SAME place where brahmopadesam was performed. Now-a-days, Nobody does that. Everyone vacates the place same evening. These karmas are useless. The thread around one's body is nothing but a thread around cow's noose (quote: bodhayana maharshi). Everyone is busy. People come from US of A and far away places. How can they wait for this agni baghavan to eat for 4 days. Can't he understand our modern requirements and consume things in 1 day itself? This is what they say. Further, No upanayam should be done within 1 year of the death of 10 day gyati (relative) like say grandmother. (this is true for any ceremony) But, I know brahmin families who perform inspite of this. Because, they made programs six months advance - making leave from US of A. How can they stop all these because some old woman chose to leave us suddenly? These karmas are also useless. The person who initiates brahmopadesam donates away one month of his japa result. (that is why there isa ban on doing brahmopadesam on two children within a month). Normally, this is the father. So, the father should wait and do 1008 gayatris daily for one month atleast. This is the best gift one can give to children. Rather than plenty of RBI bonds. I write all this with pain in my heart. If my pain is coming out like harsh words, may bhagavatas forgive me for this apacharam. Last week, I visited Therezundur perumal temple. I spent one day with the bhattachariar there. He is the lone brahmin in that agraharam. There lord is housed in a fantastic temple. There is no one to see his beauty. The pond around the temple is crumbling fast. The agraharam is now invaded by muslim houses. One devout muslim has painted his palatial house just next to shri bhattar;s house, in emerald green and made the house look like mosque. The house is called "Roza illam". The crescent is proturding outside. I have nothing against muslims. It is only my fear that they will not treat my treasure with the reverence it deserves. There is a mosque within 50 metres of the temple. Shri:yapathy's nitya aradhanam in the ucchi kalam is done only with the background noice of namaz call from the mosque. Shri Bhattar says people come in air conditioned cars. They spent couple of hours. They give good money to me. Hardly anyone drops any money for the temple. Lord here needs lot of new dhoti and ghee. The houses in the agraharams are crumbling. There are no takers for these houses by brahmins even for Rs.50,000 per house. Is it a big money for a NRI to buy these houses and maintain them for yatri's benefit? Meanwhile, a muslim who has real need for a roof at that place buys those houses and paints the town green. Then, We have no right to grumble. It is the desertion of brahmin community which is the real peril. They deserted our towns. They deserted our anushtanams. Now, they desert our perumal also. The dwajarohanam of the temple for the utsavam was done with only 10 onlooking villagers. Namaskaram Jayaraman Gayatri Japam _____ Sundar Raghavan [ksundarjee] 26 May 2004 21:36 Geetha Rajan; Re: The Daily life of a Srivaishnava Brahmin What Sister Geetha said is correct. Those days our anchestors are doing all anushtanams and have lunch at 2.00 P.M. But they will not get ulcer becuase they chant the mantra and do japam. That removes negative energy and creates positive vibration. They breath good air in the properway when they do pranayamam. That will not create hungry. Moreover they will have one time food (quality food) a day. That is why they lived long life in hale & healthy. Those days doctors will not have much patients. Even if they have any probelm they will not take any tablets instead they will take natural treatment. Once we start to go to Alopathy (English medicines) we have all types of illness and problem in our body. In our Vaishnavasim we have lot of branches and difference principles. That is why nobody has written clear book in our group (like Anna). In "Veda" it is clearly explained how to do pranayamam & sandhyavandanam. Our sister can refer the veda book. If I you feel anything wrong in this message please forgive me. Adiyen Daasan KSR Thathachari :-Geetha Rajan <teegsraj wrote: > > > There seems a lot of confusion over how a > Srivaishnava bramhin lived > those days for retired people who would want to live > that way.Many > Srivaishnava books on the subjects say that you have > to finish both > sandhyavandanams before performing Thiruvaradhanai. > > However in books pertaning to Sandhyavandanam it is > said that the > best time to perform madhyanikam is 12.30-1.30 PM. > It would have > taken not less then 1 -2 hours to finish the > Aradhanam. Does that > mean people had their first meal at 2 or 2.30 PM( > they would get > Ulcer fo sure). > > There is also guidance that tarpanam should be > performed after the > Aradhanam that mean a further delayed first meal. > > There is also a lot of confusion in the simple > rituals due to > sampardaya bheda. This like performing one pranayama > and 10 chantings > of the same as japa before embarking on Gayatri > avahnam. There is > different versions given in different books from the > same Mutt or > publications. > > There are different pronounciations given for the > same Vakya in > different books from ditterent mutts and different > books from the > same Mutt. > > How does one explain that. Today even brihaspathis > of individual > families seem to look more at dakshina then at > teaching the correct > mode. On questioning they further confuse you. > > There is one more thing When one should recite > Scriptures both for > mokshartha and kamiArtha. > > Savdyaya is described as the correct time to do the > same according to > several books from different mutts. > > However i have seen several Erudite Vaishvavites > perform the same as > soon as they finish ijya aradhanam. > > Is the former correct or the later? > > Is there no one who can authoritativley guide us > with the right > timings and process and mantras and prayoga. > > I read a book by Sri "Anna" which gives > Sandyhavandanam for > Shaivaites in a very lucid and detailed manner. It > is however very > sad that no one does the same in Sri Vaishvavisim. > > There are also gaps like do we have to offer > prayschita argay when we > perfom Madyanikam in the mornings along with prathah > sandya( for > office goers). > > Please do help to clarify. 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Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Dear member Most of the clarifications regarding our day to day activities can be got from one book. It is none other than "Ahnika Grantham" published by Srimath Idaneem Azhagiyasingar (present Jeer of AhobilaMutt). You might be able to get a copy of this from SriNrisimhaPriya office at Mylapore. This book explains all the rituals needed for a person in one's day to day life. In particular, Thiruman Kappu iduthal, SandyaVandanam, ThiruAradhana Kramam etc are elaborated in depth for us to know the essential nitya karmas. Also it also gives insight into the minor differences between Mutt/Ashramams procedures w.r.t to day to day karmas. There is also another book which is a concised version of this but written by Vaikuntavasi Sri. U.Ve. Purisai Nadadur Krishnamachariar swami. It also contains our day to day karmas in very concise and precise manner. Also in case of difficult questions, it is better to approach once own acharyan as they are very very happy to enlighten us with correct answers for our questions. Regards Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan LakshmiNarasimhan S ------------------------- Srimathe Lakshminrusimha divya pAduka sevika srivan satakopa Sri Narayana Yathindra MahadesikAya Namaha ------------------------- >"Balaji .K" <kbalaji ><> >FW: The Daily life of a Srivaishnava Brahmin >Thu, 27 May 2004 16:53:19 +0530 > >Dear Bhagavathas, > >I endorse the views expressed by Sh Geetha Rajan on Sandhyavandanam. If Sri >Anna's book is better than from others Srivaishnavas can follow that >without much change. To my knowledge only Sankalpam differs that too >Parameswara is to be replaced with Narayana or Bhagavat preetyartham as per >sampradhAyam. > > Many times I also pondered over madhyanikam timings, ArAdhana after that >etc. One of my relatives told that you can start Madhyanikam after 8:30 >am. >In that case, if you happen to do PrAthas Sandhya, can you do mAdhyanikam >immediately after Prathas or skip the PrAthas and go for mAdhyanikam >directly. > >In a family, is it correct to do one doing prAthas and other member doing >mAdhyanikam at the same time. > >Confusions still there. If any one clarifies with authentic source of >information many would be benefitted. > >Adiyen >[K Balaji] > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > _______________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 SrI: SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah: Dearest Srivaishnavas, adiyEn's two cents worth: This is based on adiyen's discussion on the subject with vidwAn Sri ANC Swami of Srirangam few years ago: Sri ANC Swamin is retired Principal residing at Srirangam. His jnAna vairgAya, anushtAnam is seen to be believed. Swamy gets up in the wee hours- goes to kollidam; comes back, does his anushthAnams namely, prAtha sandhyavAndhanam, japams, brahma yagnam and others- takes kalakshepam for his few sishyas on rahasyams, at about 11 30- 12 noon he performs madhyAnikam, and then ThiruvarAdhanam which goes on till about 2 - 2.30 p.m. Swamy then takes bhagavath prasAdham for antharyaami - and he does not eat anything nor drink (milk) before. Swamy - when asked by adiyEn- that adiyEn does prAtha sandhyAvandhanam and madhyAnikam, ArAdhanam before going to the office - all by 7 a.m- and sought his response if it is correct. Swamy said, "it is first ok to do that for office goes and students." No doubt- prAthas sandhyAvandhanam is to be started before the sun rise; madhyAnikam when the Sun is straight above your head (sukram uccharath...) about 12 noon and evening saayam sandhyAvandhanam by 6 p.m befroe the sun sets.. [it is also referred to as kaaNaamal; kONAmal and kaNdu... ] However, if one misses to do prAthas sandhyAvandhanam before the Sun rise, he has to perform kaalaadheethapraayaschitthra argyam. if one misses to do madhyAnikam before 12 noon- he has to do praayaschittha argyam (not the one who does before 12 noon - so even if performed at 7 a.m - it is within the norm - as per Swami.. ] saayam- if one does after sun set- praayaschitthra argyam needs to be offered. Swami is writing a very exhasutive and elabrative ahnikam vyAkhyanam in simple tamil based on thirukkudanthai Desikan Ahnikam. Awaiting its release.. It is an attempt that is important first. Make a humble good beginning and Bhagawaan and Acharya's anugraham would put you on right track. Also, the good, user friendly, simple to read- easy to follow- repeating the Achamanam, praNAyaamam every time so that one need not refer back to first pages- is all housed in the wonderful sandhyAvandhanam book released by Srimad Poundarikapuram Swami. those who wish to obtain, please write to me and I can arrange to send. They are available in Srirangam, Bangalore, Chennai. There is also a very good book in all languages (Kannada, Tamil and english). One can get this Sandhyavandanam book (Actually it is the realease from thillaistanam svami kaimkarya sabha and published by nrusimhapriya trust. Trust this helps Regards namo narayana dAsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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