Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hi All, I am a person who never has any ulterior motives while helping others. I have helped lot of people throught my life. They were transformed from None to something in their thought process. They have reached to some extent of thinking which is helpful for their day-to-day works. The people whom I have transformed into this state started questioning me and never care or even have the thankfulness in their mind. On couple of instances when I have needed some basic help, these people started telling stories rather thought how they can help me back. I normally look for help at the convience of the people I ask, rather than ask them at my convienence. After encountering couple of instances like these, somehow I have started developing to stop any kind of "out of the way help" which I have been doing so far and now. So could any one suggest me how do I need to handle these kind of situations. I have not done any help expecting a help from others in the future. But when I needed a help and it is a dire need, if these guys don't come in handy, I feel upset. So please let me where I need to tweek my thought process. Thanks Satya - <> <> Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:06 AM Digest Number 921 There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Bhagavath,Bhashyakara and Paduka Thiruvaradhanam on July 4th 2004 9:30 AM ET in Stony Brook,NY Venkat Sreenivasan <vsreeniv 2. Re: Azhwars Ravi.Ranganathan 3. Re: Book Review in The Hindu- Divine Sovereignity and our Freedom Sadagopan <sgopan 4. Fw: Mantras to Music: Acoustics in Hindu Civilization "M.G. Prasad" <mprasad 5. File - ARCHIVES IN THE FILES SECTION.doc 6. File - GUIDELINES.doc ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Venkat Sreenivasan <vsreeniv Bhagavath,Bhashyakara and Paduka Thiruvaradhanam on July 4th 2004 9:30 AM ET in Stony Brook,NY Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Nigamantha Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Bhagavathe Bhasyakaraya Mahadesikaya Namaha Srimathe Ranganatha Divyamani Padukabhayam Namaha Sri Ramanuja Mission of Srirangam Srimath Andavan Ashramam along with the hosts Sriman Murty Ayyala & family invites you to participate in Sri Bhagavadh, Bhashyakara and Paduka Thiruvaradhanam on Sunday July 4th, 2004 starting at 09.30 AM at the hosts' residence in Stony Brook, NY. Please come and participate with your family, receive theertha prasadam and get the blessings of Perumal and all the Acharyas. Program (09.30 AM - 12.30 PM) 09.30 - 10.15 Seva Kalam 10.15 - 11:00 Perumal Thirumanjanam 11.00 - 11.30 Vishnu Sahasranama Parayanam and Paduka Aradhanam 11.30 - 12.30 Saarrumurai and Theertha Goshti 12.30 - 1.00 Thadheeyaradhanai (Lunch) Address to Sri Murty Ayyala's residence 22 Hillside road, Stony brook, New york,11790 phone: 631-689-8927 E-MAIL: gmayyalal2002 dAsan, Venkatanathan Sreenivasan ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:29:36 +0530 Ravi.Ranganathan Re: Azhwars Perunthakayeers, This site is really good about azhwars. Adiyen, Ravi http://www.employees.org/~desikan/s_azhvar001.htm ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:31:55 -0400 Sadagopan <sgopan Re: Book Review in The Hindu- Divine Sovereignity and our Freedom Dear Devotees : In the context of Dr.V.N.Vedantha Desikan's review of the brilliant monograph of Neduntheru SrI KaNNan Swamy on " Divine Soverignity and Free Will " , I have 12 copies of this book left with me .SrI MagavakkaNNan has shared with us his own anubhavam on reading thsi book . Those who are interested to acquirng of the remaining TWELVE copies in my care are requested to contact me . This book is a significant one for a SrI Vaishnava's personal library . V.Sadagopan - "Madhavakkannan V" <srivaishnavan > SrI: > SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah: > Dearest Srivaishnavas, > > The book review- that appeared in the Hindu is > reproduced below. It is brillaintly written > book in very simple, practical terms and answers many > of our queries on Karma, Jeevathma's freewill vs > dependence on Lord, our choice- How free are we? Are > we to decide? Is our future destined or can it be > changed? Why shoud evil attract us? The list goes on > and anseres are pointive and lucidly narrated fully in > accordance with the saasthras. SRi Neudntheru KaNNan Swami > is the author of the book and this is his first book. > he writes [at the back cover of the book] that the > readers are to decide if this is going to be author's > last book also. :-) > > This book is also a must for addition in our library. > Regards > Namo Narayana > dasan > ************ Guide to spirituality DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY AND OUR FREEDOM: Neduntheru S. Kannan; Srinivasa Educational and Social Trust, D-2, Adyar Apartments, 4th Main Road, Kottur Gardens, Chennai-600085. Rs. 100. PHILOSOPHY IS speculation of the whole Reality by a critical examination of facts and prevalent doctrines. Western philosophy is an intellectual avocation. But Indian philosophy, especially Vedanta, is God-centered and encompasses ethics, do's and don'ts and faith. The ontology of Brahman (or God) is also very important. Vyasa's Brahmasutra (II.3.4), asserts that human effort is dependent on the Para (God). An interesting question arises; "Has man got a free will to act or is he merely dependent on the sovereign influence of God? What decides human action?" Ramanuja's school has devised a self-consistent model in this area of thought. The soul is eternal; it has rebirth; its action is influenced by past Karmas. As such, God is said to have a three-phase role. First He is indifferent, then He permits and finally He induces. Practical illustrations are cited; quite a few are included in the book under review. Thus an individual is prompted by the impact of his own previous actions, which are similar to the waves in a sea. As you sow, so you reap. Conscience is God's presence in man. Man knows - and ought to know - what is right. If he persists in wrong-doing, God then lets him do and go down in sin and suffer. Not that God is unkindly; nor can He be partial. If one is good and does good, he will go up and God helps. In this manner, man has free will, but he will rise or fall, as he deserves. He cannot merely put the blame on God. The author has marshalled facts and philosophical concepts to serve as a moral guidebook. His vast equipment in religious literature has helped him produce a nice guide that is instructive, informative and elevating. Spiritual seekers will stand to benefit from this excellent paperback. V. N. VEDANTA DESIKAN ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:52:25 -0400 "M.G. Prasad" <mprasad Fw: Mantras to Music: Acoustics in Hindu Civilization Dear Friends: Greetings. Please find a presentation of mine archived at the following URL. This paper integrates the science and culture through the study of Acoustics in Hindu civilization. The paper was presented at the Acoustical Society of America meeting in New York recently. The meeting was also its 75th anniversay. Please visit the URL at your leisure. The paper was well received. I thought this paper will be of interest to you. The URL is: http://www.acoustics.org/press/147th/Prasad.htm With best regards, MG Prasad - "Srinivasan Kalyanaraman" <kalyan97 <mprasad Cc: "Kanchan Banerjee" <kbkali; <rambacha; <bnhebbar; <bsingh; <gupta; <kalyan97; <sanatana; <arunsm; <Rds944; <trnrao; <rukmani; <ssridhar; <sgambhir; <nikudi; <kak; <ved_chaudhary; <bethkulkarni; <paresh Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:12 PM Mantras to Music: Acoustics in Hindu Civilization > http://www.acoustics.org/press/147th/Prasad.htm > > I have enjoyed going through your beautiful presentation and > experiencing it ! Your paper is available at this URL. > > I have posted a message about your cute paper on the > IndianCivilization which has over 1000 members. Looking > forward to hearing your voice, > > dhanyavaadah. > > Kalyanaraman > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 1 Jul 2004 10:10:19 -0000 File - ARCHIVES IN THE FILES SECTION.doc File : ARCHIVES IN THE FILES SECTION.doc Description : SRS Archives [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 1 Jul 2004 10:10:19 -0000 File - GUIDELINES.doc File : GUIDELINES.doc Description : Guidelines [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ ------ ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Dear friend, Very interesting posting! Your problem is quite a common one in the world. Based on what you have written, you would be well advised to do either of the following: (a) use all the 'help' you say you usually extend to others for your own sake and benefit. There will be no need then to go back to your friends looking for return favours. or, (b) change your friends, Rgds, dAsan, Sudarshan , "Sreenivas" <sreenivas_r@h...> wrote: > Hi All, > > I am a person who never has any ulterior motives while helping others. I > have helped lot of people throught my life. They were transformed from None > to something in their thought process. They have reached to some extent of > thinking which is helpful for their day-to-day works. The people whom I have > transformed into this state started questioning me and never care or even > have the thankfulness in their mind. On couple of instances when I have > needed some basic help, these people started telling stories rather thought > how they can help me back. I normally look for help at the convience of the > people I ask, rather than ask them at my convienence. > After encountering couple of instances like these, somehow I have started > developing to stop any kind of "out of the way help" which I have been doing > so far and now. So could any one suggest me how do I need to handle these > kind of situations. > I have not done any help expecting a help from others in the future. But > when I needed a help and it is a dire need, if these guys don't come in > handy, I feel upset. So please let me where I need to tweek my thought > process. > > Thanks > > Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 All, I am not a very learned man or anything but I can respond to this query from how I try and counter it in my life. When we help people and say we don't expect anything in return then, we should not be upset whether they thank you or not or help you when you need help. Its a very tough thing to do I understand that. But if you really want to continue helping and also not get hurt when those people do not respond to your call, this might be a better way of looking at it. To completely rule out any expectations of any sort and help for the sake of helping and if possible forget the deed you have done. This may not sound practically feasible, but if you look at it from pshycological view point, you feel hurt "because you helped them when they needed it byt they did not help you in return",hence denoting you are expecting gratitude for your help(which is human nature). The gratitude part is from the other person which is not under your control, but the expectation part is very much under your control. So by controlling your expectation you can ward of the hurt that you experience. But from my own experiences and practise this method has helped me. Regards, Anirudh --- Sreenivas <sreenivas_r wrote: > Hi All, > > I am a person who never has any ulterior motives > while helping others. I > have helped lot of people throught my life. They > were transformed from None > to something in their thought process. They have > reached to some extent of > thinking which is helpful for their day-to-day > works. The people whom I have > transformed into this state started questioning me > and never care or even > have the thankfulness in their mind. On couple of > instances when I have > needed some basic help, these people started telling > stories rather thought > how they can help me back. I normally look for help > at the convience of the > people I ask, rather than ask them at my > convienence. > After encountering couple of instances like these, > somehow I have started > developing to stop any kind of "out of the way help" > which I have been doing > so far and now. So could any one suggest me how do I > need to handle these > kind of situations. > I have not done any help expecting a help from > others in the future. But > when I needed a help and it is a dire need, if these > guys don't come in > handy, I feel upset. So please let me where I need > to tweek my thought > process. > > Thanks > > Satya > > > - > <> > <> > Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:06 AM > Digest Number 921 > > > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Bhagavath,Bhashyakara and Paduka > Thiruvaradhanam on July 4th 2004 > 9:30 AM ET in Stony Brook,NY > Venkat Sreenivasan > <vsreeniv > 2. Re: Azhwars > Ravi.Ranganathan > 3. Re: Book Review in The Hindu- Divine > Sovereignity and our Freedom > Sadagopan <sgopan > 4. Fw: Mantras to Music: Acoustics in Hindu > Civilization > "M.G. Prasad" > <mprasad > 5. File - ARCHIVES IN THE FILES SECTION.doc > > 6. File - GUIDELINES.doc > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) > Venkat Sreenivasan <vsreeniv > Bhagavath,Bhashyakara and Paduka > Thiruvaradhanam on July 4th 2004 > 9:30 AM ET in Stony Brook,NY > > > Sri: > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha > Srimathe Nigamantha Mahadesikaya Namaha > Srimathe Bhagavathe Bhasyakaraya Mahadesikaya Namaha > Srimathe Ranganatha Divyamani Padukabhayam Namaha > > Sri Ramanuja Mission of Srirangam Srimath Andavan > Ashramam along with the > hosts Sriman Murty Ayyala & family invites you to > participate in Sri > Bhagavadh, Bhashyakara and Paduka Thiruvaradhanam on > Sunday July 4th, 2004 > starting at 09.30 AM at the hosts' residence in > Stony Brook, NY. Please come > and participate with your family, receive theertha > prasadam and get the > blessings of Perumal and all the Acharyas. > Program (09.30 AM - 12.30 PM) > 09.30 - 10.15 Seva Kalam > 10.15 - 11:00 Perumal Thirumanjanam > 11.00 - 11.30 Vishnu Sahasranama Parayanam and > Paduka Aradhanam > 11.30 - 12.30 Saarrumurai and Theertha Goshti > 12.30 - 1.00 Thadheeyaradhanai (Lunch) > > Address to Sri Murty Ayyala's residence > 22 Hillside road, > Stony brook, > New york,11790 > phone: 631-689-8927 > E-MAIL: gmayyalal2002 > > dAsan, > Venkatanathan Sreenivasan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:29:36 +0530 > Ravi.Ranganathan > Re: Azhwars > > > > > > Perunthakayeers, > > This site is really good about azhwars. > > Adiyen, > > Ravi > > http://www.employees.org/~desikan/s_azhvar001.htm > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:31:55 -0400 > Sadagopan <sgopan > Re: Book Review in The Hindu- Divine > Sovereignity and our Freedom > > Dear Devotees : > > In the context of Dr.V.N.Vedantha Desikan's > review of the brilliant monograph of Neduntheru SrI > KaNNan Swamy on " Divine Soverignity and Free Will " > , > I have 12 copies of this book left with me .SrI > MagavakkaNNan > has shared with us his own anubhavam on reading thsi > book . > > Those who are interested to acquirng of the > remaining > TWELVE copies in my care are requested to contact me > . > > This book is a significant one for a SrI Vaishnava's > personal library . > > V.Sadagopan > > - > "Madhavakkannan V" <srivaishnavan > > > SrI: > > SrImathE Gopaladesika mahadesikaya namah: > > Dearest Srivaishnavas, > > > > The book review- that appeared in the Hindu is > > reproduced below. It is brillaintly written > > book in very simple, practical terms and answers > many > > of our queries on Karma, Jeevathma's freewill vs > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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