Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 -Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha. Let me take part in the debate on mangalya dharanam. There is no mention of Mangalya dharanam in Valmiki Ramayanam. Janaka is said to have given 'dattam' to Rama by pouring sacred water on his hand that held Sita's hand. While doing so, he declared that from thenceforth Sita become his saha dharma pathni who would follow him for ever. In 'Varanamayiram'pasuram, Andal speaks about 'kaiththalam pattral' (pANi grahaNam)and not about mangalya dharanam. So it seems we can safely assume that until Andal's times, that is about 1000 years ago, this practice was not in vogue. It is believed that mangalya dharanam was prevalent in tamil society but we must check with ancient books in Tamil to know about this. Another interesting information is that the practice of waering nose ring (mookkuthi) was not in vogue until Muslim invasion. The old sculptures of women orof women deities in temples in Tamil nadu do not pose a nose ring. No jewel indiacting a nose ring had existed in ancient tamil works. Kamban's Sita did not wear a nose ring. kamban speaks elaborately about all the jewellery that Sita wore at the time of her wedding. But nowhere there is a mention of nose ting. I would like to know whether it is the same in VAlmiki RAmayana also. jayasree. Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Dear Bhagavatottamas, I was going through some of the postings regarding 'mangalya dhaaranam'. Let me give some important aspects regarding marriage. According to the marriage rituals, the marriage is complete only after performing 'Sapthapathi', not even 'Paanigrahanam' strictly. Saptapathi is a vow made in front of sacred Agni (Lord Narayana in this form) and this witness is the only official witness for the marriage. Hence he is to be protected till the existence of the couple. So many of our poorvacharyas have done this protection for their entire 'couple life'. In 'Aapasthambha sutra' to which most of the 'yajur vedis' belong, there is no manthram for important events like yagnyopaveetha dhaaranam, Mangalya dhaaranam etc. It is coming from a curse to sage Apasthambha that 'veda manthrams' for these dont exist. What 'yajushakhis' recite for yagnyopaveetha dhaaranam is strictly only a slokam & not 'veda manthram'. Similar is the case for mangalya dhaaranam. For other 'veda shaakhis' like rig, saama, manthrams exist for all the rituals. Because, prior to the shaapam, yajus shakhis had also manthrams, we still follow those rituals without manthrams. Luckily, manthrams for other important aspects like panigrahanam, sapthapathi exist and after sapthapathi is performed the marriage is complete-not before that ! This is true for all the veda shaakas. Sajjana padapadma paramanuhu Lakshmi Narasimha dasaha jasn sn <jayasartn wrote: -Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha. Let me take part in the debate on mangalya dharanam. There is no mention of Mangalya dharanam in Valmiki Ramayanam. Janaka is said to have given 'dattam' to Rama by pouring sacred water on his hand that held Sita's hand. While doing so, he declared that from thenceforth Sita become his saha dharma pathni who would follow him for ever. In 'Varanamayiram'pasuram, Andal speaks about 'kaiththalam pattral' (pANi grahaNam)and not about mangalya dharanam. So it seems we can safely assume that until Andal's times, that is about 1000 years ago, this practice was not in vogue. It is believed that mangalya dharanam was prevalent in tamil society but we must check with ancient books in Tamil to know about this. Another interesting information is that the practice of waering nose ring (mookkuthi) was not in vogue until Muslim invasion. The old sculptures of women orof women deities in temples in Tamil nadu do not pose a nose ring. No jewel indiacting a nose ring had existed in ancient tamil works. Kamban's Sita did not wear a nose ring. kamban speaks elaborately about all the jewellery that Sita wore at the time of her wedding. But nowhere there is a mention of nose ting. I would like to know whether it is the same in VAlmiki RAmayana also. jayasree. Mail - You care about security. So do we. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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