[t'venkatam] "Ordeal by Fire" - The case for 'sitA-pirAtti'- Sri IVK Chary's offer to be "amicus curie"

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--- "I.V.K. CHARY" <ivkchary wrote: >

Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:36:58 +0100 (BST)

> "I.V.K. CHARY" <ivkchary

> Re: [t'venkatam] "Ordeal by Fire" - The

> case for 'sitA-pirAtti'- (PART 2)

> mksudarshan2002, sadagopaniyengar

> <sadagopaniyengar

> CC: Ramanujam TVSR <acharyatvsr

>

> Sriman Sudharsan & Sriman Sadagopan Iyengar Swamins,

>

> Both the Learned Counsels are coming up with

> interesting, serious and thought-provoking arguments

> in support of their "chosen" Litigants. I pray for

> the pardon of both Rambiran and Sitapiratti for my

> calling them Litigants after all it is the Learned

> Cousels who have chosen to make them so not the

> otherway.

>

> As a By-stander, I would like to put my own

> unscholarly plea to both of you with a request to

> consider its merits against your own most scholarly

> standards.

>

> In my humble opinion, there are 3 scenarios;

>

> Scenario 1 - Rama and Sita as the Divya Dampathy,

> the Parabrahmam Sriman Narayana

>

> Scenario 2 - Rama and Sita as humans in this

> Prakruthi Mandala actring as humans having discarded

> their role as Parabrahmam for the sake of this

> Avathara.

>

> Scenario 3 - Rama and Sita as the hero and herioine

> of a great epic scripted by the Poet Valmiki.

>

> Scenerio 1:

>

> The question of "Traditionalists" and

> "Non-Traditionalists" divisions comes into play only

> if the so-called dispute both the learned cousels

> are arguing about is sene from Scenario 1.

> Otherwise it is irrelevant. If we view Rama and Sita

> as the Parabrahmam, there is absolutely no need for

> them to come down to earth and go through all these

> motions just to finish off one Ravana together with

> his entourage on this earth. They are capable and

> have the title of "Aghatithe Ghatana Samarthargal".

> They went through all this ordeal just to fulfil

> someone else's commitment/boon seems to be a plea

> the learned cousels may come up with. Then take

> whatever that has happened as part of it and there

> ends the argument. As Parabrahmam a mere "Sankalpa"

> is enough to creat Pralaya and Laya . When that

> being the case, the question of coming down to

> Prakruthi Mandala and spending Millenniums just to

> fulfil someoneelse' s commitment/boon appears to be

> too much. If the Avathara Karana is to eliminate

> Ravana, there appears to be no plausible reason for

> both Rama and Seetha to continue in Prakruthi

> mandala for centuries post-Ravana Samhara period.

> They should have returned to their abode after their

> accomplishment as there appears to be no specific

> requirement for their presence on this prakruthi

> again to fulful yet another commitment/boon of again

> someoneelse. This appears to be precisely what has

> happened in the Avatharas prior to Parasurama.

>

> So, the Learned Cousels should make their opening

> statements very clearly as to how they view their

> clients, as Parabrahmam or their mere mortal

> clients.

>

> Scenario 2

>

> Rama and Sita are mere mortals on this earth, having

> set aside their permanent positions as Prabrahmam

> for a while. Then, this dispute has to be seen as

> mere mortals. The learned counsels are not supposed

> to bring in their arguments issuing/expected

> conduct/pre or current or post Avathara

> commitments/commandments made by them. The

> arguments have to be limited to their conduct during

> this Avathara as mere mortals and are to be measured

> as per the Dharmas applicable to their time period

> (Threthaa Yuga). Basing arguments on their conduct

> in relation to present day dharmas or the comitments

> made by them to each other or to third parties does

> not appear to be relevant to this dispute being

> argued now.

>

> Scenario 3

>

> Rama and Sita are mere characters created by the

> Poet Valmiki in his great epic Ramayana. If these

> are mere characters, then the Learned Cousels must

> place their arguments supporting or opposing the

> characterisation given by the Poet Valmiki. I do not

> understand the reason for dragging in Rama or Sita

> or even Parabrahmam into this dispute. They are the

> most helpless souls (no offence meant for them,

> rather I am arguing their case since I now consider

> them all as my clients, if you wish to call me

> Amicus Curie) caught in the arguments between the

> Learned Cousels who by their own choice selected to

> don the robes of Pleaders and also chosen on their

> own the "Jury" of Tiruvengadam Group Members.

>

> Any way I am enjoying the arguments and

> counter-arguments from both the Learned Counsels. A

> word of caution/request to both Learned Counsels,

> please put forth your pleas very clearly as to how

> you would like us, both as Amicus Curie ( I have

> arrogated myself to take this role) or as Jury, to

> view your arguments in realtion to the above said 3

> Scenarios. They are ofcourse most welcome to come

> up with another Scenario too as Scenrio 4 if they

> find one.

>

> Now go ahead with your arguments.

>

> Wishing you good "argumenting" (I guess this is my

> own coinage for which kindly excuse me and if such a

> word already exists please fogive me for my

> ignorance) times

>

> Dasan

> IVK CHARY

 

 

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