Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Namaskaram Bhagvathars, Shri Vaishnavas, Honorable people, please guide me with knowledge on my concern. I regularly do nirjala ekadashi and sandhyavandanam. Every time on day of Ekadashi & Dwadashi I get this query in my mind of whether to sip water during sandhyavandanam ? Finally I end up doing achamanam but not sip the water. So please share with me the knowledge on performance of Sandhya vandanam on ekadashi & dwadashi days. Food on dashmi and dwadashi whether it is one full meal and fruits or do you have any suggestions/knowledge of right way ? I take one full meal on dashmi (noon) and fruits in the evening. I am happy and satisfied for today with past. I want to grow with right attitude and knowledge in snadhyavandanama, ekadashi performances. What does the vedic sampraday provides knowledge on following topics, please share with me. Your guidance is a blessing. With all respects Anand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Dear Anand, You are a great vaishnavite following the ekadashi vratam.In srivaishnava sampradaya ,kainkaryam is the goal.Hence it is difficult to perform kainkaryam with observance of nirjala vratam. But I am pleased to know your vratam.Generally on dashami,upavasa starts by evening & continues upto dwadashi morning.On dwadashi also, only fruits are taken at night. Sandhyavandanam is a nityakarma & it must be performed. Hence achamanam during sandhya will not be a dosha. dasan ============================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 ________________________________ V Madhavan Tue 8/31/2004 10:50 AM Anand Iyengar Cc: KPR; R Saranathan RE: sandhyavandanam and ekadashi Swamin Let me tell you without fear of sin. Even on normal days, when you do achamanam, you are expected to take (only a small sip and swallow) - only very small quantity of water, each of the three times - volume as much (or as less) as a small pearl and not more. The water sipped and swallowed must not have the effect of drinking water which will quench one's thirst - it is more of symbolism and you must beware that you are virtually taking God into you. (This is told to us by the great Sri Thiruvaazhi Ramanujachariar - the great Upanyasakar of yester years). I have heard many a great person tell that water consumed during achamanam does not violate one's nirjala upavasam. (Definitely water sipped after invoking/telling the holy name of God cannot be spit away. Further while it is desirable to do the nirjala upavasam, if one puts this into practice from quite an early age it is helpful and good and can be continued for several ages. The country has had several eminent persons who have been practicising such upavasam despite having a rigorous and busy daily routine. (The former Prime Minister and leader Mr. Morarji Desai is a shining example for this type of yogis) One thing that is expressly prohibited to those who cannot observe total nirjala upavasam is rice. Other grains like wheat - in any form can be taken - as rough ground wheat (rava or soji) or as fine ground flour. If one cannot avoid rice, atleast the rice be made bhinnam (rice is to be broken into pieces and then cooked) - and/but this is a poor alternative. If one wants to put the nirjala upavasam into a practical habit at a very late age, my experience is that it will be quite a difficult experience and can be tried for a span of few hours on such auspiscious days - the upavasam ending with a drink of milk or have some light fruits. Once you put this into practice, over several Ekadasis you can graduate to total nirjala upavasam. (The maxim is - practice slowly and steadily and you will get that habit - atleast I had practiced jogging and running - at item that had eluded me in my earlier years. Now I can jog and run considerable length and without feeling tired or exhausted at the end of it). Ulitmnately, you will feel great physical and mental strenght at the end of you fasting (or even jogging) and you will not feel worn out or run down. For diabetic patients, upavasam is better not done at all or done after consulting a doctor who specializes in diabetes and treats diabetic patients.. All such nirjala upavasam or upavasam must be done with mind well under control - putting a cheerful moratorium to all the seven deadly sins viz. desire, anger, lust, jealousy, covetnousness, maatsaryam i.e. a feeling of satisfaction and happiness at others failure and unhappiness and a feeling of sadness and trauma at other's success and hour of pride and glory. (I am not mentioning gluttony here because the topic is upavasam. Likewise the thought of food for the day or food to consumed or had for the next day should not be allowed to cross your mind on the day of upavasam. If one has control on these base (basic) qualities, as a matter daily practice, the ekadasi vratam can pass off very peacefully and with a great sense of accomplishment. On such days the time is best spent by several laudable acts like recitation, discussing saatvika aspects and bhagavat vishayam (not Thiru vaimozhi) with others of equal wave lenght, going to temple, sharing a few thoughts on dharma with your peers and those who seek answers to difficult questions on dharma like the one now posed by you. Leisurely going through the commentary on Ramayanam and the Tiruvaimozhi (Bhagavat Vishayam) - not ritualisitc reading - will do you enormous good. The deeper you go into these fountains during a upavasam day the greater will be the thrill you will experience. If you analyse these acts that you can possibly do you will find that nirjala upavasam by itself is not the be all and end all. One who enjoys the Ekadasi can be equally satisfied both in the observence of nirjala upavasam (or mere upavasam in whatever degree) and inability to observe the same in all its rigour! Dasan Madhavan ________________________________ Anand Iyengar [anand2048] Tue 8/31/2004 5:16 AM sandhyavandanam and ekadashi Namaskaram Bhagvathars, Shri Vaishnavas, Honorable people, please guide me with knowledge on my concern. I regularly do nirjala ekadashi and sandhyavandanam. Every time on day of Ekadashi & Dwadashi I get this query in my mind of whether to sip water during sandhyavandanam ? Finally I end up doing achamanam but not sip the water. So please share with me the knowledge on performance of Sandhya vandanam on ekadashi & dwadashi days. Food on dashmi and dwadashi whether it is one full meal and fruits or do you have any suggestions/knowledge of right way ? I take one full meal on dashmi (noon) and fruits in the evening. I am happy and satisfied for today with past. I want to grow with right attitude and knowledge in snadhyavandanama, ekadashi performances. What does the vedic sampraday provides knowledge on following topics, please share with me. Your guidance is a blessing. With all respects Anand Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Sri: Srimathe Nigamantha Mahadesikaya Namaha, Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, Srimathe Lakshmi Hayagreevaya Namaha, Dear Swamin, Bhagvathar, Sri Madhavan, Accept dasan's humble namaskar and respects to you, With all respects to your response and advice, I accept the explanation. I am very satisfied and happy. Your knowledge is blessing. I have been member ofthis group since long time now, everytime whenever I have queries the group has wonderful people to make me have the right knowledge in short time. I take this instance to pray for this learned ones who share it indiscretly. Anand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Swamin I did not say that there is a prohibition in reciting Tiruvaimozhi on an Ekadasi day. What I was wanting to tell Sri Anand was that - when I referred to a term "bhagavat vishayam" I was wanting to tell him that I only meant any discussion on Bhagwan or God. In the latter part of my letter I did mention that one will profit more by spending his time in going through the commentary (in preference to mere recitation) on Tiruvaimozhi popularly refered to as "Bhagavad Vishayam" and Srimad Ramayanam. Except during the anadyayana period, the glorious Tiruvaimozhi can be recited without any taboo or prohibition. I am sorry if I have been a cause for confusion. I shall be more careful while writing next time. Nirjala Upavasam does not preclude or prohibit taking of the small quantity of taking water into our system during achamanam. This I say because such intake of water does not partake the characteristics of drinking of water. Therefore , the sum and substance is that a "Nirjala Upavasi" who sips water does Upavasam of the highest order. Regards, Dasan Madhavan ________________________________ Vasan Sriranga Chari [vasan_chari_hk] Wed 9/1/2004 12:50 PM V Madhavan Cc: Re: FW: sandhyavandanam and ekadashi Dear swamin, The shastras mention only three types of upavasam during ekadashi. uttama-not even water madhyama-only water adhama- only fruits What we are practising now (you have described in details) is dilution of injuctions to a great extent.Our acharyas agreed for phala ahaar only to keep us fit for kainkaryams. Secondly ,i don't find any harm in reciting Tiruvaimozhi ON EKADASHI.Is there any specific reason for not reciting it? dasan On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 vmadhavan wrote : > > > >________________________________ > > V Madhavan >Tue 8/31/2004 10:50 AM >Anand Iyengar >Cc: KPR; R Saranathan >RE: sandhyavandanam and ekadashi > > >Swamin > >Let me tell you without fear of sin. Even on normal days, when you do achamanam, you are expected to take (only a small sip and swallow) - only very small quantity of water, each of the three times - volume as much (or as less) as a small pearl and not more. The water sipped and swallowed must not have the effect of drinking water which will quench one's thirst - it is more of symbolism and you must beware that you are virtually taking God into you. (This is told to us by the great Sri Thiruvaazhi Ramanujachariar - the great Upanyasakar of yester years). > >I have heard many a great person tell that water consumed during achamanam does not violate one's nirjala upavasam. (Definitely water sipped after invoking/telling the holy name of God cannot be spit away. > >Further while it is desirable to do the nirjala upavasam, if one puts this into practice from quite an early age it is helpful and good and can be continued for several ages. The country has had several eminent persons who have been practicising such upavasam despite having a rigorous and busy daily routine. (The former Prime Minister and leader Mr. Morarji Desai is a shining example for this type of yogis) > >One thing that is expressly prohibited to those who cannot observe total nirjala upavasam is rice. Other grains like wheat - in any form can be taken - as rough ground wheat (rava or soji) or as fine ground flour. If one cannot avoid rice, atleast the rice be made bhinnam (rice is to be broken into pieces and then cooked) - and/but this is a poor alternative. > >If one wants to put the nirjala upavasam into a practical habit at a very late age, my experience is that it will be quite a difficult experience and can be tried for a span of few hours on such auspiscious days - the upavasam ending with a drink of milk or have some light fruits. Once you put this into practice, over several Ekadasis you can graduate to total nirjala upavasam. (The maxim is - practice slowly and steadily and you will get that habit - atleast I had practiced jogging and running - at item that had eluded me in my earlier years. Now I can jog and run considerable length and without feeling tired or exhausted at the end of it). Ulitmnately, you will feel great physical and mental strenght at the end of you fasting (or even jogging) and you will not feel worn out or run down. > >For diabetic patients, upavasam is better not done at all or done after consulting a doctor who specializes in diabetes and treats diabetic patients.. > >All such nirjala upavasam or upavasam must be done with mind well under control - putting a cheerful moratorium to all the seven deadly sins viz. desire, anger, lust, jealousy, covetnousness, maatsaryam i.e. a feeling of satisfaction and happiness at others failure and unhappiness and a feeling of sadness and trauma at other's success and hour of pride and glory. (I am not mentioning gluttony here because the topic is upavasam. Likewise the thought of food for the day or food to consumed or had for the next day should not be allowed to cross your mind on the day of upavasam. If one has control on these base (basic) qualities, as a matter daily practice, the ekadasi vratam can pass off very peacefully and with a great sense of accomplishment. > >On such days the time is best spent by several laudable acts like recitation, discussing saatvika aspects and bhagavat vishayam (not Thiru vaimozhi) with others of equal wave lenght, going to temple, sharing a few thoughts on dharma with your peers and those who seek answers to difficult questions on dharma like the one now posed by you. Leisurely going through the commentary on Ramayanam and the Tiruvaimozhi (Bhagavat Vishayam) - not ritualisitc reading - will do you enormous good. The deeper you go into these fountains during a upavasam day the greater will be the thrill you will experience. > >If you analyse these acts that you can possibly do you will find that nirjala upavasam by itself is not the be all and end all. One who enjoys the Ekadasi can be equally satisfied both in the observence of nirjala upavasam (or mere upavasam in whatever degree) and inability to observe the same in all its rigour! > >Dasan Madhavan > >________________________________ > > Anand Iyengar [anand2048] >Tue 8/31/2004 5:16 AM > > sandhyavandanam and ekadashi > > > >Namaskaram Bhagvathars, Shri Vaishnavas, > >Honorable people, please guide me with knowledge on my concern. > >I regularly do nirjala ekadashi and sandhyavandanam. Every time on >day of >Ekadashi & Dwadashi I get this query in my mind of whether to sip >water >during sandhyavandanam ? Finally I end up doing achamanam but not >sip the >water. So please share with me the knowledge on performance of >Sandhya >vandanam on ekadashi & dwadashi days. Food on dashmi and dwadashi >whether it >is one full meal and fruits or do you have any suggestions/knowledge >of >right way ? I take one full meal on dashmi (noon) and fruits in the >evening. >I am happy and satisfied for today with past. I want to grow with >right >attitude and knowledge in >snadhyavandanama, ekadashi performances. What does the vedic >sampraday >provides knowledge on following topics, please share with me. > >Your guidance is a blessing. > >With all respects > >Anand > Links > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > <http://clients.rediff.com/signature/track_sig.asp> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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