Vali slain part VI

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Dear raama bhakthaas,

 

In the previous 2 posts we saw the three facets of vaali, the human,

the monkey and the divine as given by kamban. Now we will see a

comparison between vaali sugreevan and karNan arjunan. Perhaps few

may have a doubt why these two pairs of people have to be compared.

The explanation is as below.

 

In sreemadh raamaayaNam [sR hereafter]

 

Vaali is the son of dhEvendhran or indhran's amsam and the elder

brother.

Sugreevan is son of sooryan or sooryan's amsam and the younger

brother.

 

In sree maahaa bhaaratham [MB hereafter]

 

KarNan is the son of sooryan or sooryan's amsam, and the elder

brother.

Arjunan is the son of dhEvEndhran or indhran's amsam and the younger

brother.

 

Which means the elder in previous order [sR] became younger later

[in MB]. That is why a comparison of these four characters is worth

considering, in particular the death of the elders in both pairs.

 

First let us some of the concurrences and then the conflicts if any

between these two pairs:

 

1. In both SR and MB, the supreme lord helped the young one only.

 

The supreme lord raama helped the younger one sugreevan, among these

two brothers in SR.

The supreme lord krishNa helped the younger one arjunan among these

two brothers in MB.

[viz. the young ones are the pets to the lord, it appears].

 

2. In both SR and MB, the younger brother's wives were the cause for

the trouble or fight between the two sets of brothers.

 

In SR, rumaa, the wife of sugreevan, since was snatched away by the

elder, the trouble between the brothers began. That also became the

main reason for the death of elder brother as said by raamaa.

 

In MB, the elder brother and his party caused damage to the modesty

of dhroupathi [the wife of arjunan] and thereby that became the

cause of his death also.

 

[may be the elder brother karNan was not directly responsible for

that, but he was a party when the damage to the lady was done. Also

karNan since continued in dhuryOdhanan's party till his last moment

he has to pay for the sin committed on account of this lady].

 

3. In both SR and MB the young ones only called the shots - viz.

initiated the war first.

 

In SR, sugreevan went and called vaali for a fight and got him

killed.

In MB, the young one arjuna initiated the war since elder and his

team led by dhuryOdhanan refused the kingdom which lead to war.

Finally karnan was killed.

 

4. In both cases the young ones were roaming without a place to

reside or rule on their own.

 

in SR, sugreevan was roaming in rishyamukha parvatham away from the

kingdom kishkindha.

In MB, arjunan and brothers were in viraata nagaram. From there only

all initiatives for a war started.

 

5. Both the elders took the wrong side of friendship.

 

In SR vaali took the friendship of raavanan. May be putting it the

other way may sound better and a bit more logical, raavaNan since

was afraid of vaali took vaali as a friend. [somehow vaali was in

the wrong company of raavaNan]

In MB karNan took the friendship of dhuryOdhanan from the beginning.

When truth about his birth secrets were told to him by none other

than the supreme lord, my krishNa, he did not come out of the

clutches of his old friendship which finally lead to his death.

 

6. Both the elders knew their route is adharmam but tried to justify

with reasons.

 

In SR vaali argues with the lord that it is the monkey's nature,

animal instincts, to live in any way even by snatching brother's

wives.

In MB karNan knows that his friend is doing a wrong thing but says I

am tied up and can not come out of the bond or binding, because of

my 'senchORRuk kadan' - for having eaten together and or having

taken a kingdom as a gift from friend.

 

7. The natural law or Dharmam took a back seat in both cases.

 

In a dual between two in SR, vaali and sugreevan, raamaa from behind

entered and killed, which is not dharma yudhdham.

IN MB karNan was trying to lift the wheel of the chariot and at that

time he was killed at the instance of krishNa, thereby the dharmam

of not attacking a niraayudhapaaNi took a back seat.

 

8. Both the elders who were killed, knew who is the main instrument

in their getting killed - the supreme lord raama and Krishna.

 

In SR vaali even praises raama and seeks 2 boons from the lord, as

we have already seen by way of kamban's verses.

In MB karnan gets a visvaroopa dharsanam of the lord before his

final moments and knew well who he is.

 

9. There was a highly knowledgeable person in the side of the young

one in both pairs of brothers.

 

In SR hanumaan was with sugreevan to help him in times where good

counseling is needed.

IN MB vidhuran, the highly knowledgeable, was a helper and

sympathizer to arjunan, though physically was there in the other

camp.

 

10. In both cases of the killing of the elders, it raised a lot of

sympathy with the elder and that is why we discuss this topic even

today.

 

In SR vaali vadham is a controversial topic.

In MB karNan's character itself is a sympathy creator and his

killing is some thing, which brings tears to the eyes immediately.

 

11. Both the young ones afterwards relent very much for having

killed the elder or having been the main reason for the elder's

killing.

 

In SR sugreevan immediately relents.

IN MB arjunan and brothers relents very much once they come to know

karNan is their elder having realized that through their mother's

act.

 

Now let us see few of the conflicts or differences in these two

instances of killing of the elders.

 

1. The friendship or relationship between the supreme lord and the

young ones were in 2 different ways.

 

In SR the supreme lord raama went in search of sugreevan and made

friendship with him.

In MB arjunan went for the sakhyam of krishNa. [of course krishNan

was available to arjunan easily].

 

2. The supreme lord did not do the killing of elders in both cases.

 

In SR, the elder was killed at the hands of the supreme lord -

raama - DIRECTLY.

IN MB, since the supreme lord krishNa had the vow of not touching

the weapon, he got karNan killed through arjuna.

 

3. Different ways in killing the elders.

 

In SR raama was hiding and shooting the arrow from behind a tree.

This was completely different in the case of karNan. The lord was in

the front, riding the chariot of arjunan and he was the person to

advise arjunan to shoot karNan at that moment of karNan;s lifting

the wheel of his chariot.

 

I hereby request bhakthaas to join in listing out few more

concurrences and conflicts, [if something is missed out in the list

above] for the enjoyment of the mercy of the supreme lord raama and

krishNa by one and all.

 

with due respects

v.anjaneyulu, itarsi