Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 I am confused and thus am seeking the views of the learned ones who could quote the scriptures to back their views. The Problem: If you know that the main Deity in a Temple has been mutilated through no fault or wilfulness of anyone: And on the advice of the Temple architect covered the mutiliated foot with a kavasam; And conducting temple services as usual as though nothing happened. Now that I know that the Bagavata Gita says that we should not worship an imperfect Deity; And if a Devotee is aware of all the above: Is he doing the right thing by going to a different temple to worship, even though from day one he had always been going to the same former temple ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 SrI: Dear Sriman Vythilingam : it is not proper to continue to worship a archA Vigraham ( Uthsavar or Moolavar ) if there is a damage is experienced due to willfulness or accident . Some times archakAs cause the damage due to carelessness or fear of the Ugra Nature of the Moorthy. In the case of Ugra kalai of the Moorthy , the ill-advised archaka takes a chistle and breaks a nail or finger and thus removes the power of the Moorthy . Although , he suffers , the saanidhyam ( presence ) is gone. Cases in point are : Narasimha Moorthys at ThirukkOshtiyUr , Sudarsana Bhaghavaan at KumbakONam ( a golden nail was hammered into the chin of that Moorthy to cause damage) , AkhilANDEswari at ThiruvAnaikkA , where Adhi Sankara prayed for the reduction of Ugra Kalai and placed a consecrated vigraham of Her son ( GaNapathy ) to reduce the ugram aspect . Another case is that of Ugra Narasimhar at Thiruvananthapuram temple , where archakAs fearing the ugra kalai of the Lord conspired to remove it by wilful damage of the nail and then restored the power . These days , Bhagavaan is "afraid " of the ugra kaalai of the temple servants and would like to run off ! There are cases like ThiruveLLUr , where the Moola Moorthy suffered a damage in the right elbow and appeared in the dream of Sri Ahobila Matam AchArya and complained about His pain . That worried AchArya inspected the hand/elbow and "repaired " the damage , reconsecrated the Moolavar for regular worship . One can pull out the powers of the ArchA Vigraham in BaalAlayam , repair the damges and then have a reinvocation of power ceremony . Same thing happened to Uthsavar Andal at Sri VilliputthUr ( Peetam got losse) and was fixed and reconsecrated . Aagamaas permit such steps in case of damages . In the case of Saaligrama shilAs alone , the Lord resides permanently even if some damage happens . Covering with a kavacham and going on as if nothing happened is not right . If you need any additional help in restoring the situation so that the Lord has Saanidhyam ( Divine presence ) , please consult with the PaancharAthra Aagama expert , Sri Seemaa Bhattar of South Maada St , Chinna Kaanchipuram . He is the heriditary archakar of Lord VaradarAja of Kaanchi. The other source for help is the PaancharAthraa aagamaa experts at Melkote Temple in KarnAtakA . V.Sadagopan - "Jegajothy Vythilingam" <v_jothy <> Monday, November 22, 2004 1:21 PM How would one handle this? > I am confused and thus am seeking the views of the learned > ones who could quote the scriptures to back their views. > > The Problem: > If you know that the main Deity in a Temple has been > mutilated through no fault or wilfulness of anyone: > And on the advice of the Temple architect covered the > mutiliated foot with a kavasam; > And conducting temple services as usual as though nothing > happened. > > Now that I know that the Bagavata Gita says that we > should not worship an imperfect Deity; > > And if a Devotee is aware of all the above: Is he > doing the right thing by going to a different temple > to worship, even though from day one he had always been > going to the same former temple ? > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Well said. Lord is perfection, so shall he be worshipped as a perfect form when one is required. Vedam says that He is 'rochano rochamAna Sobano SobamAna: kalyAna:' The imperfect forms should be restored to their former glory through sanctification ceremonies. The original issue seems to be lack of funds or the will to restore the Lord to His archa form sanctioned in the Agama sAstras. This original cause must be addressed. The Sila worship is unique to our culture; but this worship is not a simple exercise as all the learned would know. Vedas did not advocate Sila worship. The Lord came to the yAgas and went away at the end. The people needed Him to stay longer. Thus the Agamas were born. As much as the Vedas imagine Him to be perfection when worshipped as saguna brahmam, such perfection and slender beauty is postulated and detailed in the Agamas. So we must worship the Lord in the archa form only with all the positive and perfect qualities we desire in Him. While we need to the address the root cause of the original concern, the devotee shall remain contented that he is seeing Him in a perfect form elsewhere. dAsan, RTV Varadarajan , Sadagopan <sgopan@c...> wrote: > > SrI: > > Dear Sriman Vythilingam : > > it is not proper to continue to worship > a archA Vigraham ( Uthsavar or Moolavar ) if > there is a damage is experienced due to willfulness > or accident . > > Some times archakAs cause the damage due to > carelessness or fear of the Ugra Nature of the Moorthy. > In the case of Ugra kalai of the Moorthy , the ill-advised > archaka takes a chistle and breaks a nail or finger > and thus removes the power of the Moorthy . Although , he > suffers , the saanidhyam ( presence ) is gone. > > Cases in point are : Narasimha Moorthys at ThirukkOshtiyUr , > Sudarsana Bhaghavaan at KumbakONam ( a golden nail > was hammered into the chin of that Moorthy to cause damage) , > AkhilANDEswari at ThiruvAnaikkA , where Adhi Sankara > prayed for the reduction of Ugra Kalai and placed a > consecrated vigraham of Her son ( GaNapathy ) to reduce > the ugram aspect . Another case is that of Ugra Narasimhar > at Thiruvananthapuram temple , where archakAs fearing > the ugra kalai of the Lord conspired to remove it by > wilful damage of the nail and then restored the power . > These days , Bhagavaan is "afraid " of the ugra kaalai > of the temple servants and would like to run off ! > > There are cases like ThiruveLLUr , where the Moola Moorthy > suffered a damage in the right elbow and appeared in the dream of > Sri Ahobila Matam AchArya and complained about His pain . > That worried AchArya inspected the hand/elbow and > "repaired " the damage , reconsecrated the Moolavar for > regular worship . One can pull out the powers of the ArchA > Vigraham in BaalAlayam , repair the damges and then have a reinvocation of > power ceremony . Same thing happened to > Uthsavar Andal at Sri VilliputthUr ( Peetam got losse) > and was fixed and reconsecrated . Aagamaas permit such > steps in case of damages . In the case of Saaligrama > shilAs alone , the Lord resides permanently even if > some damage happens . > > Covering with a kavacham and going on as if > nothing happened is not right . If you need any > additional help in restoring the situation so > that the Lord has Saanidhyam ( Divine presence ) , > please consult with the PaancharAthra Aagama expert , > Sri Seemaa Bhattar of South Maada St , Chinna Kaanchipuram . > He is the heriditary archakar of Lord VaradarAja of Kaanchi. > The other source for help is the PaancharAthraa aagamaa > experts at Melkote Temple in KarnAtakA . > > V.Sadagopan > > - > "Jegajothy Vythilingam" <v_jothy> > <> > Monday, November 22, 2004 1:21 PM > How would one handle this? > > > > I am confused and thus am seeking the views of the learned > > ones who could quote the scriptures to back their views. > > > > The Problem: > > If you know that the main Deity in a Temple has been > > mutilated through no fault or wilfulness of anyone: > > And on the advice of the Temple architect covered the > > mutiliated foot with a kavasam; > > And conducting temple services as usual as though nothing > > happened. > > > > Now that I know that the Bagavata Gita says that we > > should not worship an imperfect Deity; > > > > And if a Devotee is aware of all the above: Is he > > doing the right thing by going to a different temple > > to worship, even though from day one he had always been > > going to the same former temple ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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