Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Hello, this question mighthave popped up.. but neverthless, i would like to ask again. Why is it that, "Kadal thandaradu", crossing the ocean is forbidden for us ? -- Best regards, Arvind rarvind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Obviously, the writer is not qualified to give a definitive answer to this question, but here is one point of view: 1. India is permeated with tremendous spiritual vibrations due to the nature of the Great Ones that incarnated there - this would not be available in most other places in the world. 2. When a person lives in a country outside of India (applies to all living outside their own country), he or she gets bound karmically to that country by virtue of merely living there - for example, many people may have sacrificed their lives for this other country, and the foreigner is living off their labor/sacrifice; or the country may have been occupied illegally and by deceit, and the foreigner, if he lives off that land, and consumes the food grown in that soil, is literally taking on the bad karma of that land; or the country's leaders may lead or may have led the country into wrong wars (like Hitler, and others for example)- the person again gets karmically bound if he lives in that soil/country, etc. India is the only country in the world that has not initiated a war on its own, illegally occupied territory, etc. 3. The person could be used as a medium (almost always without his knowledge) for evil from this foreign country to enter India when he visits India. 4. Other causes could be: simple practical reasons such as differences in culture, weather, religion, lack of good/moral values in society (for example, Sweden has a highly permissive/liberal society - the environ is not suitable for spiritual progress either for the person or his progeny), etc. Yet some Great Indian Yogis have travelled/lived in foreign countries, as ordained by their Indian Gurus - why? Perhaps their motive was not to have a comfortable, rich (moneywise) life but to propagate spiritual values throughout the world as per the principle : Vasudeiva Kutumbakam. Ashok Krishnamurthy --- Arvind Rangan <rarvind wrote: > > Hello, > > this question mighthave popped up.. but neverthless, > i would like to > ask again. > > Why is it that, "Kadal thandaradu", crossing the > ocean is forbidden > for us ? > > > -- > Best regards, > Arvind > rarvind > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Dear Sri Aravind Rangan : The simplest answer is that aasthikAs and AchAryAs were forbidden from travelling overseas for fear that their aachAram and anushtAnams will be disturbed . There are daily requirements for a devout person to observe known as Pancha Kaala Prakriya , which can not be disturbed even for one day . There are also food restrictions that are important to observe . In a foreign land , that is another problem . In the olden times , devout ones would not get into a train or travel far from their villages . If they went on Dhivya dEsa yAthrAs by foot , they took satthu maa with them or ate fruits offered to the Lord first or ate at other BhAgavathA's house or fasted until they got to their destination . Even in India , these observances ( ParAnnam taking ) are on slack or nonexistent . Many members of the Indian families are living overseas today . Lufthansa , Air India and British Airways are full of Indians going back and forth . Some of these overseas Indians maintain their aasthikyam , aachAram , anushtAnam and AchArya Sambhandham very well .They build temples and observe strict rules and regulations that are not found even in their home country dhivya dEsams. The inquiry into forbiddeen travel overseas has to be looked hence in the context of historicity these days . Even today , there are strict followers of our sampradhAyam in India , who will not travel overseas even if a milion dollar is offered to them . V.Sadagopan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 SrimatE Raamaanujaaya Namaha SrimatE Nigamaanta Mahaa Desikaaya Namaha Srimate Sri Lakshminrisimha Divyapadukasevaka Srivan Satakopa Sri NarayanaYatindra Mahadesikaya namaha Dear Mr. A.Rangan / Bhagavathas, While I do not have any documentation from our sampradhayam to substantiate my views , I feel , by common sense and logic we can arrive at the conclusion , why "Kadal thandaradu", crossing the ocean is forbidden for us ? . As per our sampradhayam , we are all supposed to observe lots of discipline in our way of life through rituals , like doing the thrikala sandhya vandanam , performing our daily rituals , using only well water for our cookings , observance of strict discipline in our eating habits and worshiping only Sriman Narayanan in case of people who have taken Baranyasam ,etc. While all these could be well in our control , while we are in our native land , it would be rather difficult to observe strictly while we are in a foreign land , where we are likely to be dictated by the local rules of the land due to our various obligations . More over , travel to distant land in those days , was not that easy like today, where it might take number of days or even months to reach those land . So during travel , one might be required to dilute the observance of sampradhayam rules. Even today , when we travel to far east or west it takes more than 20 / 24 hours sometimes , even by fastest mode of travel and so there is a possibility of dilution. That is why that rule was made. If we have reached a stage , where we could demand the basic needs without any problem and get them , to observe our sampradhayam karmas , I do not think foreign travel is prevented since Sriman Narayanan is also the LORD of those land as well and spreading HIS glory in those areas is one of our kamyakarmas. I trust I am able to give a meaningful explanation for the query. Regards Ramanuja Dasan- G. Sampath. Arvind Rangan <rarvind wrote: Hello, this question mighthave popped up.. but neverthless, i would like to ask again. Why is it that, "Kadal thandaradu", crossing the ocean is forbidden for us ? -- Best regards, Arvind rarvind India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 The real reason for forbidding foreign travels seems to be religious and law-related than political. Apastamba and Gautama gruhya sutras have several rules about what to do when the person stays away for long and even does not return forever. One has to worry about how to treat the foreign traveller - as a deserter or a deceased person, and how to release his wife and belongings. Also one has to judge if he is capable of his religious duties. The rules are first mentioned for a brahmana, and perhaps can be extended to other varnas. In the current times, certainly the prohibition rule requires amendment. But no scholar is working on this issue these days to get the latest rules into the Hindu law books! We can make up our own rules, and may have to give up some other previleges. dAsan RTV Varadarajan , Arvind Rangan <rarvind@f...> wrote: > > All those reasons... look good. > But if someone were to just visit an overseas land. Say for example > one of the gurus had to perform a Dolai utsavam in a foreign country, > what happens then. will it be still wrong to travel and get back home > ? > > Arvind > > > Hello Ashok, > > Saturday, December 11, 2004, 3:27:13 PM, you wrote: > > > Obviously, the writer is not qualified to give a > > definitive answer to this question, but here is one > > point of view: > > > 1. India is permeated with tremendous spiritual > > vibrations due to the nature of the Great Ones that > > incarnated there - this would not be available in most > > other places in the world. > > > 2. When a person lives in a country outside of India > > (applies to all living outside their own country), he > > or she gets bound karmically to that country by virtue > > of merely living there - for example, many people may > > have sacrificed their lives for this other country, > > and the foreigner is living off their labor/sacrifice; > > or the country may have been occupied illegally and by > > deceit, and the foreigner, if he lives off that land, > > and consumes the food grown in that soil, is literally > > taking on the bad karma of that land; or the country's > > leaders may lead or may have led the country into > > wrong wars (like Hitler, and others for example)- the > > person again gets karmically bound if he lives in that > > soil/country, etc. India is the only country in the > > world that has not initiated a war on its own, > > illegally occupied territory, etc. > > > 3. The person could be used as a medium (almost > > always without his knowledge) for evil from this > > foreign country to enter India when he visits India. > > > 4. Other causes could be: simple practical reasons > > such as differences in culture, weather, religion, > > lack of good/moral values in society (for example, > > Sweden has a highly permissive/liberal society - the > > environ is not suitable for spiritual progress either > > for the person or his progeny), etc. > > > Yet some Great Indian Yogis have travelled/lived in > > foreign countries, as ordained by their Indian Gurus - > > why? Perhaps their motive was not to have a > > comfortable, rich (moneywise) life but to propagate > > spiritual values throughout the world as per the > > principle : Vasudeiva Kutumbakam. > > > Ashok Krishnamurthy > > > --- Arvind Rangan <rarvind@f...> wrote: > > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> this question mighthave popped up.. but neverthless, > >> i would like to > >> ask again. > >> > >> Why is it that, "Kadal thandaradu", crossing the > >> ocean is forbidden > >> for us ? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Arvind > >> rarvind@f... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Arvind rarvind@f... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Sreemathe Ramanujaya Namaha. Dear vaishnava Devotees, Don't we recite everyday "Sarva Desa Dasa Kale Shva Vyaha Paraakramaa| Ramanujaarya Divyagnya Vardhataam Abhivardhataam|| Ramanujaarya Divyagnya Prati Vasaram Ujjvala| Digantha: Vyapini Bhooyaat, Saa Hi Loka Hitaishini||" Does this not suggest that one of our sacred duties is to carry the message of Ramanuja Darsanam to all corners of the world. In the changed circumstances we live in, perhaps travelling to distant lands need not be deemed as a proscribed act. Adiyen, Dasan, Ramanujam. Alwar Acharya Jeeyar Tiruvadigale Saranam. >Sampath G <sampath_govindachari >Arvind Rangan <rarvind >CC: Srirangasri >Re: Overseas forbidden >Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:02:09 +0000 (GMT) > > > >SrimatE Raamaanujaaya Namaha > >SrimatE Nigamaanta Mahaa Desikaaya Namaha > >Srimate Sri Lakshminrisimha Divyapadukasevaka Srivan Satakopa Sri >NarayanaYatindra Mahadesikaya namaha > >Dear Mr. A.Rangan / Bhagavathas, > >While I do not have any documentation from our sampradhayam to substantiate >my views , I feel , by common sense and logic we can arrive at the >conclusion , why "Kadal thandaradu", crossing the ocean is forbidden for >us ? . > >As per our sampradhayam , we are all supposed to observe lots of >discipline in our way of life through rituals , like doing the thrikala >sandhya vandanam , performing our daily rituals , using only well water >for our cookings , observance of strict discipline in our eating habits >and worshiping only Sriman Narayanan in case of people who have taken >Baranyasam ,etc. > >While all these could be well in our control , while we are in our native >land , it would be rather difficult to observe strictly while we are in a >foreign land , where we are likely to be dictated by the local rules of >the land due to our various obligations . > >More over , travel to distant land in those days , was not that easy like >today, where it might take number of days or even months to reach those >land . So during travel , one might be required to dilute the observance of >sampradhayam rules. Even today , when we travel to far east or west it >takes more than 20 / 24 hours sometimes , even by fastest mode of travel >and so there is a possibility of dilution. > >That is why that rule was made. If we have reached a stage , where we could >demand the basic needs without any problem and get them , to observe our >sampradhayam karmas , I do not think foreign travel is prevented since >Sriman Narayanan is also the LORD of those land as well and spreading HIS >glory in those areas is one of our kamyakarmas. > >I trust I am able to give a meaningful explanation for the query. > >Regards > >Ramanuja Dasan- G. Sampath. > > >Arvind Rangan <rarvind wrote: > > >Hello, > >this question mighthave popped up.. but neverthless, i would like to >ask again. > >Why is it that, "Kadal thandaradu", crossing the ocean is forbidden >for us ? > > >-- >Best regards, >Arvind rarvind > > Links > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > > > _______________ Microsoft’s festive bonanza! Buy a branded Home PC. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp04/festivebonanza/ Win a fabulous holiday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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