Fwd: [t'venkatam] Karma Bhoomi/ bhogha bhoomi

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Swamin(i)s,

 

Some of the disciussions in this line. especially the latest one with all bold

letters,

clearly shows how successfully we have taken a global-universal sanathana dharma

and pushed it into a gully. No wonder, we are so gullible!

Contrast this with Christianity and Islam- how they have taken a gully religion

(confined to a narrow strip of Earth) and globalized it.

I think we need to go back to basics of sanathana dharma, because, our great

religion has been hijacked by centuries of tradition, sometimes, even at the

cost of truth.

Remember TRUTH is ever eternal and universal, TRADITIONS, more often are

temporal and regional. This is not meant to insult anyone, but only meant to

make us introspect and intrepret in the light of TRUTH and not simply tradition.

While we enjoy the outpourings of our achAryas, Alwars, and other peripheral

scriptures

(out side of prasthAna trayams), let us not do disservice to them by limiting

them to narrow boundaries.

 

Let me state, these are the pillars of Sanathana Dharma- although we all know

it, seems to me from the discussions going on that we need to be reminded:

1. Truth is one, wise speak of it variously

(Ekam sat viprAh bahudA vadanti)

2. Let noble thought come to us from all over the world

(a nO bhadrAh kratavO yantu vishvatah)

3. One who knows that he/she is blessed, will indeed receive the blessing

(yOpAm Ayathanam vEda AyatanavAn bhavati)

4. World is one family

(vasudhaiva kuTumbhakam)

5. IshAvAsyam idam sarvam

yatkinchit jagatyAm jagat

tEna tyaktEna bhujjItA

mA gRedhah kasyasviddanam

(The whole universe comprising of the animate and inaminate

is permeated by the Lord. Relish your share with detachment

or relish share that has been alloted to you.

Don't envy others wealth.

 

Please go back and read bhagavadgItA

(kim anyaih shAstra vistharaih- what other shastras we need?).

We have been brain washed and pushed into some real gully thinking.

It is about time, we akake and araise.

Because, we know better- even if we don't want to accept, in the name

of tradition. Let truth shine!

 

6. saptAsyAsan paridhayah

trissapta samidhah kRetAh

 

(Seven outer limits and seven innert limits of our life yagna:

Seven outer limits: Earth, water, fire, space, wind, day and night.

Twenty one inner limits: pancha karmEndriyams, pancha jn~AnEndriyams, pancha

prAnams,

four anthahkaraNams (manam-mind, buddhi-intellect, chittam-conscience, and

ahamkAram-ego), dharmam (right) and adharmam (wrong)

 

dAsan

 

K.S. Tatachar

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Dear All Srivaishnavas

 

I am in broad agreement with the sentimernts expressed by Sri Thathachariar

Swami. He has taken pains to give appropriate and relevant quotations and

sayings from the scriptures with their verbatim meaning. These quotes are

thought provoking.

 

One has to take a broad view and must understand the words contained in the

scriptures. While I am not here to belittle or trash the traditional views, I

fear that even some of the traditional beliefs of ours will become temporal once

a clearer understanding emerges - an understanding which is not a result of

compromise or a reconciliation but as a result of a well researched and debated

exercise. To fall back and quote what Sri Thathachariar Swamy has said in the

present letter "Remember TRUTH is ever eternal and universal, TRADITIONS, more

often are temporal and regional. This is not meant to insult anyone, but only

meant to make us introspect and intrepret in the light of TRUTH and not simply

tradition".

 

I thank Sri Mukundan and Swami Sadagopan who have done all of us immense

service by commencing a very lively debate on a very sensitive topic. At this

point of time I am not in agreement with Mr. Mukundan even though convenience

prevails to do so. My conscience is not in terms. Well, alas, while at the end

of all the debate process on SIMILAR TOPICS, we are left to take one's own

views, I sincerely wish that on this occasion a consensus emerges.

 

Dasan Madhavan.

 

 

 

________________________________

 

tatachar [tatachar]

Mon 2/7/2005 2:28 AM

elangadu santanam mukundan; Sudarshan K Madabushi;

 

Re: Fwd: Re: [t'venkatam] Karma Bhoomi/ bhogha bhoomi

 

 

 

 

 

Swamin(i)s,

 

Some of the disciussions in this line. especially the latest one with all bold

letters,

clearly shows how successfully we have taken a global-universal sanathana dharma

and pushed it into a gully. No wonder, we are so gullible!

Contrast this with Christianity and Islam- how they have taken a gully religion

(confined to a narrow strip of Earth) and globalized it.

I think we need to go back to basics of sanathana dharma, because, our great

religion has been hijacked by centuries of tradition, sometimes, even at the

cost of truth.

Remember TRUTH is ever eternal and universal, TRADITIONS, more often are

temporal and regional. This is not meant to insult anyone, but only meant to

make us introspect and intrepret in the light of TRUTH and not simply tradition.

While we enjoy the outpourings of our achAryas, Alwars, and other peripheral

scriptures

(out side of prasthAna trayams), let us not do disservice to them by limiting

them to narrow boundaries.

 

Let me state, these are the pillars of Sanathana Dharma- although we all know

it, seems to me from the discussions going on that we need to be reminded:

1. Truth is one, wise speak of it variously

(Ekam sat viprAh bahudA vadanti)

2. Let noble thought come to us from all over the world

(a nO bhadrAh kratavO yantu vishvatah)

3. One who knows that he/she is blessed, will indeed receive the blessing

(yOpAm Ayathanam vEda AyatanavAn bhavati)

4. World is one family

(vasudhaiva kuTumbhakam)

5. IshAvAsyam idam sarvam

yatkinchit jagatyAm jagat

tEna tyaktEna bhujjItA

mA gRedhah kasyasviddanam

(The whole universe comprising of the animate and inaminate

is permeated by the Lord. Relish your share with detachment

or relish share that has been alloted to you.

Don't envy others wealth.

 

Please go back and read bhagavadgItA

(kim anyaih shAstra vistharaih- what other shastras we need?).

We have been brain washed and pushed into some real gully thinking.

It is about time, we akake and araise.

Because, we know better- even if we don't want to accept, in the name

of tradition. Let truth shine!

 

6. saptAsyAsan paridhayah

trissapta samidhah kRetAh

 

(Seven outer limits and seven innert limits of our life yagna:

Seven outer limits: Earth, water, fire, space, wind, day and night.

Twenty one inner limits: pancha karmEndriyams, pancha jn~AnEndriyams, pancha

prAnams,

four anthahkaraNams (manam-mind, buddhi-intellect, chittam-conscience, and

ahamkAram-ego), dharmam (right) and adharmam (wrong)

 

dAsan

 

K.S. Tatachar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

TO ALL THE BHAAGAVATHAS,

ANANTA KOTI PRANAAMAMS.

 

ADIYEN MUKUNDA DASAN.

WILL ANYONE PROVIDE AUTHENTIC ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING

QUESTIONS:

1. GOING ABROAD- IS IT ALLOWED FOR US?

2. IS THERE ANY PRAAYASCHITTA FOR THE SAME?

3. WHAT IS THE INTENTION IN GOING ABROAD?

4. IS IT NECESSARY TO GO ABROAD IN ORDER TO PROPOGATE

OUR SAMPRADAAYAM?

5. WHAT'S WRONG IF ONE EARNS A LOT ABROAD AND

CONTRIBUTES A SIZEABLE AMOUNT TO HIS ACHARYA AND

THEREBY WASH HIS SINS (ACCRUED IN CROSSING THE OCEAN)?

6. WHAT IS THE AIM OF OUR LIFE?

 

KINDLY DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME. I SINCERELY REQUEST

THE BHAGAVATAS TO PROVIDE CLEAR CUT ANSWERS FOR THE

ABOVE QUESTIONS.

THESE ARE THE 6 QUESTIONS OF A "AJNAANI". IN THIS

LIGHT, I EXPECT THE ANSWERS TO BE SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT.

DAASAN,

E.S.MUKUNDAN, SECUNDERABAD.

--- vmadhavan wrote:

 

> Dear All Srivaishnavas

>

> I am in broad agreement with the sentimernts

> expressed by Sri Thathachariar Swami. He has taken

> pains to give appropriate and relevant quotations

> and sayings from the scriptures with their verbatim

> meaning. These quotes are thought provoking.

>

> One has to take a broad view and must understand the

> words contained in the scriptures. While I am not

> here to belittle or trash the traditional views, I

> fear that even some of the traditional beliefs of

> ours will become temporal once a clearer

> understanding emerges - an understanding which is

> not a result of compromise or a reconciliation but

> as a result of a well researched and debated

> exercise. To fall back and quote what Sri

> Thathachariar Swamy has said in the present letter

> "Remember TRUTH is ever eternal and universal,

> TRADITIONS, more often are temporal and regional.

> This is not meant to insult anyone, but only meant

> to make us introspect and intrepret in the light of

> TRUTH and not simply tradition".

>

> I thank Sri Mukundan and Swami Sadagopan who have

> done all of us immense service by commencing a very

> lively debate on a very sensitive topic. At this

> point of time I am not in agreement with Mr.

> Mukundan even though convenience prevails to do so.

> My conscience is not in terms. Well, alas, while at

> the end of all the debate process on SIMILAR

> TOPICS, we are left to take one's own views, I

> sincerely wish that on this occasion a consensus

> emerges.

>

> Dasan Madhavan.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> tatachar [tatachar]

> Mon 2/7/2005 2:28 AM

> elangadu santanam mukundan; Sudarshan K

> Madabushi;

> Re: Fwd: Re: [t'venkatam]

> Karma Bhoomi/ bhogha bhoomi

>

>

>

>

>

> Swamin(i)s,

>

> Some of the disciussions in this line. especially

> the latest one with all bold letters,

> clearly shows how successfully we have taken a

> global-universal sanathana dharma and pushed it into

> a gully. No wonder, we are so gullible!

> Contrast this with Christianity and Islam- how they

> have taken a gully religion

> (confined to a narrow strip of Earth) and globalized

> it.

> I think we need to go back to basics of sanathana

> dharma, because, our great religion has been

> hijacked by centuries of tradition, sometimes, even

> at the cost of truth.

> Remember TRUTH is ever eternal and universal,

> TRADITIONS, more often are temporal and regional.

> This is not meant to insult anyone, but only meant

> to make us introspect and intrepret in the light of

> TRUTH and not simply tradition.

> While we enjoy the outpourings of our achAryas,

> Alwars, and other peripheral scriptures

> (out side of prasthAna trayams), let us not do

> disservice to them by limiting them to narrow

> boundaries.

>

> Let me state, these are the pillars of Sanathana

> Dharma- although we all know it, seems to me from

> the discussions going on that we need to be

> reminded:

> 1. Truth is one, wise speak of it variously

> (Ekam sat viprAh bahudA vadanti)

> 2. Let noble thought come to us from all over the

> world

> (a nO bhadrAh kratavO yantu vishvatah)

> 3. One who knows that he/she is blessed, will indeed

> receive the blessing

> (yOpAm Ayathanam vEda AyatanavAn bhavati)

> 4. World is one family

> (vasudhaiva kuTumbhakam)

> 5. IshAvAsyam idam sarvam

> yatkinchit jagatyAm jagat

> tEna tyaktEna bhujjItA

> mA gRedhah kasyasviddanam

> (The whole universe comprising of the animate and

> inaminate

> is permeated by the Lord. Relish your share with

> detachment

> or relish share that has been alloted to you.

> Don't envy others wealth.

>

> Please go back and read bhagavadgItA

> (kim anyaih shAstra vistharaih- what other shastras

> we need?).

> We have been brain washed and pushed into some real

> gully thinking.

> It is about time, we akake and araise.

> Because, we know better- even if we don't want to

> accept, in the name

> of tradition. Let truth shine!

>

> 6. saptAsyAsan paridhayah

> trissapta samidhah kRetAh

>

> (Seven outer limits and seven innert limits of our

> life yagna:

> Seven outer limits: Earth, water, fire, space, wind,

> day and night.

> Twenty one inner limits: pancha karmEndriyams,

> pancha jn~AnEndriyams, pancha prAnams,

> four anthahkaraNams (manam-mind, buddhi-intellect,

> chittam-conscience, and ahamkAram-ego), dharmam

> (right) and adharmam (wrong)

>

> dAsan

>

> K.S. Tatachar

>

>

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