Guest guest Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Dear friends, Jaya vijaya was not nitya suri according to visistadvaitam. They may be nitya suris according to to other traditions. If they are nitya suris neither the sanatkumaras could have cursed them. There is no question of hate or anger in that state. Hence they belong to a lower vaikuntam within bhumandalam known as karya vaikuntam. I like to know about harivamsam which I do not have. Please find out the statement in harivamsam regarding prahlada, vidura , vibhisana. In abhayapradana saram desikar does refer to vibhisana saranagathi as for moksam. adiyen Krishna Kashyap Rajagopalan Narayan [rajagopalannarayan] Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:52 AM on charanagathi A respected colleague- Kashyap swamin- has in response to my note on charanagathi pointed out that once moksham is afforfed by the Lord as with Vibishana by Rama there cannot be a rebirth. I wish to point out that this is true for the baddha jiva and not to nithyasuris.. The dwarapalaka-jaya and Vijaya are nithysuris of vaikundam and were cursed to be born thrice. The Sanatkumara who cursed them for no fault of theirs was also punished to be born along with them but as vishnubaktha.( refHarivamsa ).Time abd again the nithyasuris are enjoined by the Lord to take birth in this mortal world as Azhwar, Acharya etc as part of His LeelaMy poiint earlier was to indicate that inherent good or bad charecterstics and prarabda karma need not neceesarily be wiped totally when He grants the wish of the asker in a particular situation; Adiyen may be excused for impudence. dasan narayanan. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 SRIMATE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA There cannot be ignorance in the VAIKUNTA LOKA.Hence the jay vijay episode has taken place not in the saakshat vaikuntam but in leela vaikuntam like ksheeraabdhi. Secondly the nityasuris do not get birth because of praarabdha.Even for a mukta ,there is no praarabdha ,then where is it for a nityasuri? Nityasuris are born due to lord's desire alone. dasan On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 Rajagopalan Narayan wrote : > > >A respected colleague- Kashyap swamin- has in response >to my note on charanagathi pointed out that once >moksham is afforfed by the Lord as with Vibishana by >Rama there cannot be a rebirth. I wish to point out >that this is true for the baddha jiva and not to >nithyasuris.. The dwarapalaka-jaya and Vijaya are >nithysuris of vaikundam and were cursed to be born >thrice. The Sanatkumara who cursed them for no fault >of theirs was also punished to be born along with them >but as vishnubaktha.( refHarivamsa ).Time abd again >the nithyasuris are enjoined by the Lord to take birth >in this mortal world as Azhwar, Acharya etc as part of >His LeelaMy poiint earlier was to indicate that >inherent good or bad charecterstics and prarabda karma >need not neceesarily be wiped totally when He >grants the wish of the asker in a particular >situation; Adiyen may be excused for impudence. dasan narayanan. > > > > > >Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! > Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >http://birthday./netrospective/ > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Dear friends, I did ask HH Azhagiasingar briefly about this issue; I do stand corrected. As per my understanding: 1. vibhisana saranagati is for nitya kainkaryam. Probably the exact format of this is not clearly known. 2. prahlada is a chiranjeevi and by his mahima he could be born as vibhisana / vidura. 3. for people like prahlada, it is not possible to clearly differentiate, whether he was a bhaktiyogi or prapannan. Adiyen Krishna Kashyap Rajagopalan Narayan [rajagopalannarayan] Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:52 AM on charanagathi A respected colleague- Kashyap swamin- has in response to my note on charanagathi pointed out that once moksham is afforfed by the Lord as with Vibishana by Rama there cannot be a rebirth. I wish to point out that this is true for the baddha jiva and not to nithyasuris.. The dwarapalaka-jaya and Vijaya are nithysuris of vaikundam and were cursed to be born thrice. The Sanatkumara who cursed them for no fault of theirs was also punished to be born along with them but as vishnubaktha.( refHarivamsa ).Time abd again the nithyasuris are enjoined by the Lord to take birth in this mortal world as Azhwar, Acharya etc as part of His LeelaMy poiint earlier was to indicate that inherent good or bad charecterstics and prarabda karma need not neceesarily be wiped totally when He grants the wish of the asker in a particular situation; Adiyen may be excused for impudence. dasan narayanan. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Dear Bhagavatas: Those who wish to offer their inputs or other comments on the issue may post to SRS_Satsangam As only members can post, they should make sure that they are members of this group. If not already joined, they may join by sending email to- SRS_Satsangam- Modearator ========================================================================= Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamaantha Mahaa Deshikaaya Namaha I would like to touch upon a couple of things mentioned in the mails below. So far as my knowledge goes, there are 7 chiranjeevis in the Srivaishnava tradition and they are: Ashwathama Bali Vyasa Hanuman Vibhishana Parashurama Kripacharya Prahlada doesn't belong to this category. We all should be saying their names every Saturday when we have the oil bath too. I would agree with Kashyap Swami that there is no rebirth for anybody in Shri Vaikuntam due to karma or praarabdham. However, they can take incarnations as Acharyas or Azhwars out of their own volition. The case of Jaya and Vijaya pertains to Vishnu Lokam and not Shri Vaikuntam. Elders please clarify. Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Krishna Kashyap <krishna wrote: Dear friends, I did ask HH Azhagiasingar briefly about this issue; I do stand corrected. As per my understanding: 1. vibhisana saranagati is for nitya kainkaryam. Probably the exact format of this is not clearly known. 2. prahlada is a chiranjeevi and by his mahima he could be born as vibhisana / vidura. 3. for people like prahlada, it is not possible to clearly differentiate, whether he was a bhaktiyogi or prapannan. Adiyen Krishna Kashyap Rajagopalan Narayan [rajagopalannarayan] Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:52 AM on charanagathi A respected colleague- Kashyap swamin- has in response to my note on charanagathi pointed out that once moksham is afforfed by the Lord as with Vibishana by Rama there cannot be a rebirth. I wish to point out that this is true for the baddha jiva and not to nithyasuris.. The dwarapalaka-jaya and Vijaya are nithysuris of vaikundam and were cursed to be born thrice. The Sanatkumara who cursed them for no fault of theirs was also punished to be born along with them but as vishnubaktha.( refHarivamsa ).Time abd again the nithyasuris are enjoined by the Lord to take birth in this mortal world as Azhwar, Acharya etc as part of His LeelaMy poiint earlier was to indicate that inherent good or bad charecterstics and prarabda karma need not neceesarily be wiped totally when He grants the wish of the asker in a particular situation; Adiyen may be excused for impudence. dasan narayanan. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Dear Bhagavatas I would like to know whether we will call the name of Bhismar as a chiranjeevi or as a Pithama. Pl. also clarify the meaning of Pithama. Adiyen Anantha Padamanban Vasudevan VK [vasuchak] Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:36 AM Krishna Kashyap; 'Rajagopalan Narayan'; RE: on charanagathi Dear Bhagavatas: Those who wish to offer their inputs or other comments on the issue may post to SRS_Satsangam As only members can post, they should make sure that they are members of this group. If not already joined, they may join by sending email to- SRS_Satsangam- Modearator ========================================================================= Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamaantha Mahaa Deshikaaya Namaha I would like to touch upon a couple of things mentioned in the mails below. So far as my knowledge goes, there are 7 chiranjeevis in the Srivaishnava tradition and they are: Ashwathama Bali Vyasa Hanuman Vibhishana Parashurama Kripacharya Prahlada doesn't belong to this category. We all should be saying their names every Saturday when we have the oil bath too. I would agree with Kashyap Swami that there is no rebirth for anybody in Shri Vaikuntam due to karma or praarabdham. However, they can take incarnations as Acharyas or Azhwars out of their own volition. The case of Jaya and Vijaya pertains to Vishnu Lokam and not Shri Vaikuntam. Elders please clarify. Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Krishna Kashyap <krishna wrote: Dear friends, I did ask HH Azhagiasingar briefly about this issue; I do stand corrected. As per my understanding: 1. vibhisana saranagati is for nitya kainkaryam. Probably the exact format of this is not clearly known. 2. prahlada is a chiranjeevi and by his mahima he could be born as vibhisana / vidura. 3. for people like prahlada, it is not possible to clearly differentiate, whether he was a bhaktiyogi or prapannan. Adiyen Krishna Kashyap Rajagopalan Narayan [rajagopalannarayan] Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:52 AM on charanagathi A respected colleague- Kashyap swamin- has in response to my note on charanagathi pointed out that once moksham is afforfed by the Lord as with Vibishana by Rama there cannot be a rebirth. I wish to point out that this is true for the baddha jiva and not to nithyasuris.. The dwarapalaka-jaya and Vijaya are nithysuris of vaikundam and were cursed to be born thrice. The Sanatkumara who cursed them for no fault of theirs was also punished to be born along with them but as vishnubaktha.( refHarivamsa ).Time abd again the nithyasuris are enjoined by the Lord to take birth in this mortal world as Azhwar, Acharya etc as part of His LeelaMy poiint earlier was to indicate that inherent good or bad charecterstics and prarabda karma need not neceesarily be wiped totally when He grants the wish of the asker in a particular situation; Adiyen may be excused for impudence. dasan narayanan. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ / -------------------------- NOTICE --------------------------- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply email and then destroy the message. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to official business of the company shall be understood to be neither given nor endorsed by NIIT or NTL. Any information contained in this email, when addressed to Clients is subject to the terms and conditions in governing client contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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