Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Dear sri vaishNava perunthagaiyeer, There is a discussion about 'brahmacharya' in the 'maattup poNNu' series. After reading that interesting on going series, I wish to add following. There is a slokam in sreemadh vaalmeeki raaamayaNam, when that niranthara [permanent] and recognised brahmachari hanumaan says to seethaa, 'raama: nithyam brahmacharyavrathE sthhitha:' in slokam 12 sargam 32 of sundhara kaaNdam meaning - raama is observing the brahmacharya vratham regularly. As is now quite common with many, in the US and other foreign countries, even after getting married due to visa problems and others, they are bachelors or observing brahmacharya vratham in grihasthaasramam, because of the absence of their wives by their side. Sri raama is not that kind of brahmachari now, because seethaa is away in asOka vanam, having been kidnapped by raavaNan, and now only hanumaan, with his Herculean effort, has located seethaa and says to seethaa, raama is now a bachelor [because of you, his wife, whom he is missing]. So raama is NOT a 'circumstance forced bachelor' but, by his aachaaram and anushtaanams. Hanumaan is a 'sollin selvar' - 'measured talker' and he will not talk wrong. Then why hanumaan said that? - that too to seethaa, to that very wife of raama, in front of whom he is standing. This is a point to be understood properly. As per manu dharma saasthram, one who observes restraint from sex on Ekaadhasi, chathurdhasi, amaavaasya, and pourNami and enjoys on the even thithis during rest of the days in a month, then he is called brahmachaari. The relevant portion of manu saasthram is extracted as given below. 7.1.10 Grihastha brahmacarya Let (the husband) approach his wife in due season, being constantly satisfied with her (alone); he may also, being intent on pleasing her, approach her with a desire for conjugal union (on any day) excepting the Parvans. [v.3.45.] Sixteen (days and) nights (in each month), including four days, which differ from the rest and are censured by the virtuous, (are called) the natural season of women. [v.3.46.] But among these the first four, the eleventh and the thirteenth are (declared to be) forbidden; the remaining nights are recommended. [v.3.47.] On the even nights sons are conceived and daughters on the uneven ones; hence a man who desires to have sons should approach his wife in due season on the even (nights). [v.3.48.] A male child is produced by a greater quantity of male seed, a female child by the prevalence of the female; if (both are) equal, a hermaphrodite or a boy and a girl; if (both are) weak or deficient in quantity, a failure of conception (results). [v.3.49.] He who avoids women on the six forbidden nights and on eight others, is (equal in chastity to) a student, in whichever order he may live. [v.3.50.] This extract is the book manu dharma saasthram from www.sacredtexts.com <http://www.sacredtexts.com> web site. [2 ekaadhasis, 2 chathurdhasis, one amavasya, one pourNami - totalling 6 days] So raama is a grihasthaasrama brahmachaari, since he observes the rules laid down here. KrishNa is also a similar grihastha brahmachaari even though he took 16108 roopams to enjoy with his that many wives as per srimadh bhaagavatham. Trust it is quite interesting information. Dhasan Vasudevan m.g. DISCLAIMER: This Message and its contents is intended solely for the addressee and is proprietary.Information in this mail is for L&T Business Usage only. Any Use to other than the addressee is misuse and infringement to Proprietorship of L&T ECC.If you are not the addressee please return the mail to the sender.L&T ECC DIVISION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 >>So raama is NOT a 'circumstance forced bachelor' << In this context, Raama indeed is forced by events. His viraha vedana is numerously described in Ramayana. A simple explanation is that Hanuman was dispelling the doubts that naturally arise in a wife. We know that Sita questioned the intentions of LaxmaNa at one time (during maaya mRegham episode). Hanuman being a wise person is reassuring her of Rama's chastity. While Manu's definition of Bramhacharya is interesting to note, it does not have much bearing in the present context. dAsan K.S. tAtAchAr M.G.Vasudevan <mgv ; oppiliappan Cc: tiruvenkatam; ramanuja Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:46:38 +0530 raama a brahmachaari Dear sri vaishNava perunthagaiyeer, There is a discussion about 'brahmacharya' in the 'maattup poNNu' series. After reading that interesting on going series, I wish to add following. There is a slokam in sreemadh vaalmeeki raaamayaNam, when that niranthara [permanent] and recognised brahmachari hanumaan says to seethaa, 'raama: nithyam brahmacharyavrathE sthhitha:' in slokam 12 sargam 32 of sundhara kaaNdam meaning - raama is observing the brahmacharya vratham regularly. As is now quite common with many, in the US and other foreign countries, even after getting married due to visa problems and others, they are bachelors or observing brahmacharya vratham in grihasthaasramam, because of the absence of their wives by their side. Sri raama is not that kind of brahmachari now, because seethaa is away in asOka vanam, having been kidnapped by raavaNan, and now only hanumaan, with his Herculean effort, has located seethaa and says to seethaa, raama is now a bachelor [because of you, his wife, whom he is missing]. So raama is NOT a 'circumstance forced bachelor' but, by his aachaaram and anushtaanams. Hanumaan is a 'sollin selvar' - 'measured talker' and he will not talk wrong. Then why hanumaan said that? - that too to seethaa, to that very wife of raama, in front of whom he is standing. This is a point to be understood properly. As per manu dharma saasthram, one who observes restraint from sex on Ekaadhasi, chathurdhasi, amaavaasya, and pourNami and enjoys on the even thithis during rest of the days in a month, then he is called brahmachaari. The relevant portion of manu saasthram is extracted as given below. 7.1.10 Grihastha brahmacarya Let (the husband) approach his wife in due season, being constantly satisfied with her (alone); he may also, being intent on pleasing her, approach her with a desire for conjugal union (on any day) excepting the Parvans. [v.3.45.] Sixteen (days and) nights (in each month), including four days, which differ from the rest and are censured by the virtuous, (are called) the natural season of women. [v.3.46.] But among these the first four, the eleventh and the thirteenth are (declared to be) forbidden; the remaining nights are recommended. [v.3.47.] On the even nights sons are conceived and daughters on the uneven ones; hence a man who desires to have sons should approach his wife in due season on the even (nights). [v.3.48.] A male child is produced by a greater quantity of male seed, a female child by the prevalence of the female; if (both are) equal, a hermaphrodite or a boy and a girl; if (both are) weak or deficient in quantity, a failure of conception (results). [v.3.49.] He who avoids women on the six forbidden nights and on eight others, is (equal in chastity to) a student, in whichever order he may live. [v.3.50.] This extract is the book manu dharma saasthram from www.sacredtexts.com <http://www.sacredtexts.com> web site. [2 ekaadhasis, 2 chathurdhasis, one amavasya, one pourNami - totalling 6 days] So raama is a grihasthaasrama brahmachaari, since he observes the rules laid down here. KrishNa is also a similar grihastha brahmachaari even though he took 16108 roopams to enjoy with his that many wives as per srimadh bhaagavatham. Trust it is quite interesting information. Dhasan Vasudevan m.g. DISCLAIMER: This Message and its contents is intended solely for the addressee and is proprietary.Information in this mail is for L&T Business Usage only. Any Use to other than the addressee is misuse and infringement to Proprietorship of L&T ECC.If you are not the addressee please return the mail to the sender.L&T ECC DIVISION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 >> As is now quite common with many, in the US and other foreign countries, even after getting married due to visa problems and others, they are bachelors or observing brahmacharya vratham in grihasthaasramam, because of the absence of their wives by their side.<< Like Hanuman, if we run into spouses waiting in India, we should assure them that their counter parts are behaving (if indeed they are)! M.G.Vasudevan <mgv ; oppiliappan Cc: tiruvenkatam; ramanuja Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:46:38 +0530 raama a brahmachaari Dear sri vaishNava perunthagaiyeer, There is a discussion about 'brahmacharya' in the 'maattup poNNu' series. After reading that interesting on going series, I wish to add following. There is a slokam in sreemadh vaalmeeki raaamayaNam, when that niranthara [permanent] and recognised brahmachari hanumaan says to seethaa, 'raama: nithyam brahmacharyavrathE sthhitha:' in slokam 12 sargam 32 of sundhara kaaNdam meaning - raama is observing the brahmacharya vratham regularly. As is now quite common with many, in the US and other foreign countries, even after getting married due to visa problems and others, they are bachelors or observing brahmacharya vratham in grihasthaasramam, because of the absence of their wives by their side. Sri raama is not that kind of brahmachari now, because seethaa is away in asOka vanam, having been kidnapped by raavaNan, and now only hanumaan, with his Herculean effort, has located seethaa and says to seethaa, raama is now a bachelor [because of you, his wife, whom he is missing]. So raama is NOT a 'circumstance forced bachelor' but, by his aachaaram and anushtaanams. Hanumaan is a 'sollin selvar' - 'measured talker' and he will not talk wrong. Then why hanumaan said that? - that too to seethaa, to that very wife of raama, in front of whom he is standing. This is a point to be understood properly. As per manu dharma saasthram, one who observes restraint from sex on Ekaadhasi, chathurdhasi, amaavaasya, and pourNami and enjoys on the even thithis during rest of the days in a month, then he is called brahmachaari. The relevant portion of manu saasthram is extracted as given below. 7.1.10 Grihastha brahmacarya Let (the husband) approach his wife in due season, being constantly satisfied with her (alone); he may also, being intent on pleasing her, approach her with a desire for conjugal union (on any day) excepting the Parvans. [v.3.45.] Sixteen (days and) nights (in each month), including four days, which differ from the rest and are censured by the virtuous, (are called) the natural season of women. [v.3.46.] But among these the first four, the eleventh and the thirteenth are (declared to be) forbidden; the remaining nights are recommended. [v.3.47.] On the even nights sons are conceived and daughters on the uneven ones; hence a man who desires to have sons should approach his wife in due season on the even (nights). [v.3.48.] A male child is produced by a greater quantity of male seed, a female child by the prevalence of the female; if (both are) equal, a hermaphrodite or a boy and a girl; if (both are) weak or deficient in quantity, a failure of conception (results). [v.3.49.] He who avoids women on the six forbidden nights and on eight others, is (equal in chastity to) a student, in whichever order he may live. [v.3.50.] This extract is the book manu dharma saasthram from www.sacredtexts.com <http://www.sacredtexts.com> web site. [2 ekaadhasis, 2 chathurdhasis, one amavasya, one pourNami - totalling 6 days] So raama is a grihasthaasrama brahmachaari, since he observes the rules laid down here. KrishNa is also a similar grihastha brahmachaari even though he took 16108 roopams to enjoy with his that many wives as per srimadh bhaagavatham. Trust it is quite interesting information. Dhasan Vasudevan m.g. DISCLAIMER: This Message and its contents is intended solely for the addressee and is proprietary.Information in this mail is for L&T Business Usage only. Any Use to other than the addressee is misuse and infringement to Proprietorship of L&T ECC.If you are not the addressee please return the mail to the sender.L&T ECC DIVISION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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