Purpose of creation

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Dear Bhagavathas

 

Adiyen knows nothing on Shastra Gnanam. As it occured

in adiyen's thought process wanted to share with all

to get my internal questions clarified.

 

When ever people talk about avatara and its purpose,

they quote many slokas and say that is to remove evil

and protect good. But many times the evil alone is not

removed along with that so call good is removed too.

Example in Mahabarata war great learned persons such

as Bhishmacharya etc were given death. Same way in any

wars between the nations in order to defend their

borders many good souls die. So if we consider the

good and bad attributed to persons then what is

happening should be called "aniyayam". On the other

hand I was going through some of the articles on Sri

Vaishnavam on other groups. What they described the SV

is "Sharira and Sharirik" Bhava. If that is the case

any thing and every thing should be part of "him".

Weather good or evil and hence there should be no

qualification for any act, since it is part of him and

why he should punish one part of his "body" and allow

another part to perish for his own action? is that

called his play his maya? Where from that good or bad

comes unless it is part of him? If it is part of him

why it is bad?

 

It will be great help if some one can answer these

doubts from Gnanasunyam.

 

Dasan

 

Suresh

 

 

 

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brahman is trascendental to all forms of duality including good and bad. of

course the lord is beyond good and bad. also it is actions and their results

that are described as good and bad. but the lord is beyond action and inaction.

 

but this does not mean that good and bad dont have relative value. good

actions recommended in sastras have the effect of purifying the consciouness and

thereby helping us understand sastras and higher truths about god. so protection

of dharma is useful.

 

when the lord appears he does cause the death of the good ones. through their

death he protects dharma. if bhishmacharya had not dies, kauravas and hence

adhrma would have won. not only the death of bhishma but that of the 700 million

great souls who fought on the side of pandavas had the opportunity die

remembering the lord in devotion. it is the greatest good because they returned

to the abode of the lord.

 

suresh iyengar <kp_suresh512 wrote:

Dear Bhagavathas

 

Adiyen knows nothing on Shastra Gnanam. As it occured

in adiyen's thought process wanted to share with all

to get my internal questions clarified.

 

When ever people talk about avatara and its purpose,

they quote many slokas and say that is to remove evil

and protect good. But many times the evil alone is not

removed along with that so call good is removed too.

Example in Mahabarata war great learned persons such

as Bhishmacharya etc were given death. Same way in any

wars between the nations in order to defend their

borders many good souls die. So if we consider the

good and bad attributed to persons then what is

happening should be called "aniyayam". On the other

hand I was going through some of the articles on Sri

Vaishnavam on other groups. What they described the SV

is "Sharira and Sharirik" Bhava. If that is the case

any thing and every thing should be part of "him".

Weather good or evil and hence there should be no

qualification for any act, since it is part of him and

why he should punish one part of his "body" and allow

another part to perish for his own action? is that

called his play his maya? Where from that good or bad

comes unless it is part of him? If it is part of him

why it is bad?

 

It will be great help if some one can answer these

doubts from Gnanasunyam.

 

Dasan

 

Suresh

 

 

 

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Dear Suresh,

 

I would like to attempt to answer your concerns on the below mail.

 

Firstly it is incorrect to think that good people get punished alongwith

evil persons. Every individual soul gets the fruits of what he has done in

this or in his earlier births. So just by a few incidents like

Bhismacharya's death, one should not conclude that alongwith evil the good

also gets punished. All that looks like Dharma is not Dharma, one has to

look at the dharma sookshma. Where was Bhismacharya's dharma when his

duaghter-in-law was being ill treated in the court of Kauravas. Do not

forget that he was fighting the war on the side of evil (Duryodhana). This

applies to many of his illustrious collegues like Dhronacharya etc (all

great names no doubt). How can Dhronacharya being a Brahmin take ayudha

and go to war that too to protect the Evil? To say that Dhrona protected

Kauravas because he was being fed by them, fully knowing they were ion the

path to injustice, would be gauna dharma and not Dharmasookshma.

 

I rever Bhismacharya as a Bhagavatha, however you need to understand that

everyone is individually responsible for his actions and has to pay for

what he has done in this birth or in future births. This is Vyavaharika

Nyaya. The Lord who rules this world will not go against it. The Lord

showered his garce on Bhismacharya by appearing before him at the time of

his departure from this earth, as the Lord is Bhaktha vastal.He gave

Mukthi to Bhishma.

 

In today's context as well if some good persons die in a war (or

otherwise) or meet misfortune, it has to be put down as result of Karma.

You have to look at the actions of Avatara in totality and not by the

individual experiences of the souls however great they might be. However

when the asuric forces start ruling the earth, the Lord descends to

protect the Sadhus and bring back the equilibrium.

 

The latter part of your concern which talks about the entire world being

his body is basically a vedantic thought and not to do with Vyavarika. The

lord is in everything but he himself does not get affected by anything.

Just like the air does not get polluted by the smell of the places it

passes through. The reason why one needs to make a distinction between

evil and good is that while this may not affect the Lord, it definitely

affects the bonded Jiva, since he will have to bear the fruit of his evil

act. Even Tapasvis like Ravana/Hiranyakashyap had to meet their end.

 

Hence as long as one lives in this Mayaic world, one has to necessarily

obey the laws of good and bad. However, once you have attained a state of

equilibrium (called as Stithapragnya) because of having surrendered to

God, then he is not bound by Karma as he looks at everything as Vasudeva.

Prahlada had this state of mind. Such people will never do any evil since

they are absorbed in the Lord who is shuddha satva.

 

Hope I have been able to clarify. If you still have doubts I dont think I

will be able to clarify further, because I do not profess great knowledge

of scriptures either except that I believe in devotion to the Lotus feet

of Lord Krishna.

 

Radhekrishna

 

S Hariharan

 

 

 

 

suresh iyengar [kp_suresh512]

02 December, 2005 5:41 PM

 

Purpose of creation

 

 

Dear Bhagavathas

 

Adiyen knows nothing on Shastra Gnanam. As it occured

in adiyen's thought process wanted to share with all

to get my internal questions clarified.

 

When ever people talk about avatara and its purpose,

they quote many slokas and say that is to remove evil

and protect good. But many times the evil alone is not

removed along with that so call good is removed too.

Example in Mahabarata war great learned persons such

as Bhishmacharya etc were given death. Same way in any

wars between the nations in order to defend their

borders many good souls die. So if we consider the

good and bad attributed to persons then what is

happening should be called "aniyayam". On the other

hand I was going through some of the articles on Sri

Vaishnavam on other groups. What they described the SV

is "Sharira and Sharirik" Bhava. If that is the case

any thing and every thing should be part of "him".

Weather good or evil and hence there should be no

qualification for any act, since it is part of him and

why he should punish one part of his "body" and allow

another part to perish for his own action? is that

called his play his maya? Where from that good or bad

comes unless it is part of him? If it is part of him

why it is bad?

 

It will be great help if some one can answer these

doubts from Gnanasunyam.

 

Dasan

 

Suresh

 

 

 

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