Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 There is a common misconception that Sikhism is a combination of Islam and Hinduism. This is not true, Sikhism is not a combination of Islam and Hinduism and neither does it drive any beliefs from either religion. Sikhism is an individualistic religion created by God through Sikh Gurus. For more information, please read http://www.realsikhism.com/faq/creation.html Sikhism has its own distinctive and individualistic beliefs. Some of the beliefs might be similar with other religions but this does not make Sikhism a combination of other religions. For detailed information on how Sikhism is not a combination of Islam and Hinduism, please read http://www.realsikhism.com/faq/combination.html For correct information about Sikhism, please visit http://www.realsikhism.com What I don’t understand is that why some people say wrong stuff about Sikhism? What do they achieve by telling the wrong information about other religions? This isn’t going to change the reality. Let us promote harmony, peace, mutual understanding and respect among each other. And not pass your own judgments about other religions. Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 It is a unique religion in its own right. To my knowledge, it i sthe only religion which said here on the Guru Granth Sahib will be the Guru and no further lineage of Gurus beyond ten. Another unique feature is that teh Sikh Gurus gave their life for protecting someone else's religion. Obviously Sikhiism just did not fall from the sky on a fine day. It was a gradual synthesis over several centuries. It arose in the background of Hindu-Muslim conflict and the conflicts within Hinduism (caste distinctions, too many Gods, etc.) Some of the influencing features also include Kabir's Dohas. he certainly was claimed by both Hindus and Muslims as their own. Guru nanak was influenced by Kabir. Sikhism also has the Om revered in Hindu-Jain and Buddhist religions. There is lot of reference to Hindu epics and quite a bit of vocabulary, including Guru itself comes from hinduism. One God and no idol worship is similar to Islam (Christianity and Judaism). Most people who converted to Sikhism were formerly Hindus. Thus, Sikhism is rooted quite a bit in Hinduism and to some extent in islam. Obviously Sikhism is a seperate religion. That exclusivity is both real and important for growth and development of the faith. Otherwise, it will be reduced to the state of a Hindu or a Muslim sect, which is at best counter productive. K. Sreekrishna Tatachar Hindu-Muslim conflict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 MR.singh, u r asking all to promote undestanding harmony etc., but ur self want to b e treated as a sikh?Unless one understand study religion along with hoistory no one can really understand the meaning of isms., as such there r no cults .One has to follow and lead peaceful life as thier elders and forfathers ,say(whichever guru they follow)It is for our own interest . In the name of secularism and etc., etc.,all forgot real meaning of indian by just aping rest of other race. .. "G. Singh" <singh337 > wrote: There is a common misconception that Sikhism is acombination of Islam and Hinduism. This is not true,Sikhism is not a combination of Islam and Hinduism andneither does it drive any beliefs from eitherreligion. Sikhism is an individualistic religion created by Godthrough Sikh Gurus. For more information, please readhttp://www.realsikhism.com/faq/creation.htmlSikhism has its own distinctive and individualisticbeliefs. Some of the beliefs might be similar withother religions but this does not make Sikhism acombination of other religions.For detailed information on how Sikhism is not acombination of Islam and Hinduism, please readhttp://www.realsikhism.com/faq/combination.htmlFor correct information about Sikhism, please visithttp://www.realsikhism.comWhat I don’t understand is that why some people saywrong stuff about Sikhism? What do they achieve bytelling the wrong information about other religions?This isn’t going to change the reality.Let us promote harmony, peace, mutual understandingand respect among each other. And not pass your ownjudgments about other religions.Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.http://messenger./ ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion Toolbar.Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM--~-> Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:/<*> To from this group, send an email to:<*> Your use of is subject to:ny Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 can u explain this sentence pleasetatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: I agree with you that Sikhism is a new religion founded by Guru Nanak, the foremost Guru of Sikhism. It was continued and enriched by the next 9 Gurus.It is a unique religion in its own right. To my knowledge, it i sthe only religionwhich said here on the Guru Granth Sahib will be the Guru and no further lineage of Gurus beyond ten. Another unique feature is that teh Sikh Gurus gave their lifefor protecting someone else's religion. Obviously Sikhiism just did not fall from the sky on a fine day. It was a gradual synthesis over several centuries. It arose in the background of Hindu-Muslim conflict and the conflicts within Hinduism (caste distinctions, too many Gods, etc.) Some of the influencing features also include Kabir's Dohas. he certainly was claimed by both Hindus and Muslims as their own. Guru nanak was influenced by Kabir.Sikhism also has the Om revered in Hindu-Jain and Buddhist religions.There is lot of reference to Hindu epics and quite a bit of vocabulary, including Guru itself comes from hinduism. One God and no idol worship is similar to Islam(Christianity and Judaism). Most people who converted to Sikhism were formerly Hindus. Thus, Sikhism is rooted quite a bit in Hinduism and to some extent in islam.Obviously Sikhism is a seperate religion. That exclusivity is both real and important for growth and development of the faith. Otherwise, it will be reduced to the state of a Hindu or a Muslim sect, which is at best counter productive. K. Sreekrishna TatacharHindu-Muslim conflict Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 >>Otherwise, it will be reduced to the state of a Hindu or a Muslim sect, which is at best counter productive.<<< The principles are already in one way or the other in Hinduism and to some extent in Islam. Basically it would be merged and submerged in the vast body of Hinduism. This is what happened to every reformation movement in Hinduism. They ended up becoming another sect of Hinduism Hinduism = Sikhism + more Hinduism will simply absorb it. It is a shame that the Sikhs did not get a seperate nation (I don't know whetehr anyone gave them this choice) so that they could fully celebrate their faith without the mercy of a secular Indian Govt. In this regard, they got the same deal as Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Christians, and Parses of the sub-continent. They could have 10 national holidays for the 10 Gurus, have Punjabi as national language and develop their culture more fully. Only the Muslims managed to get an Islamic state (unfortunately this was also contaminated by minorities such as Hindus and Buddhists of Paksitan). I am not sure when would Hindu fundamentalism (HF)end (by HF I mean not respecting the excusivity of other religions)which has been the caus eof much sorrow in the past 50 + years. Islam = Sikhism + more of other things, less of Guru Islam will simply reject it as it has done for Bahai. Hope this makes sense to you. K.Sreekrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 So it is not my idea, just my observation ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Y can't u send post a message eithe r to sonia or manmohan singh about ur idea of sikhs having separate they can select nice place in USA OR UK an d enjoy life hereafter. tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: >>Otherwise, it will be reduced to the state of a Hindu or a Muslim sect, which is at best counter productive.<<<The principles are already in one way or the other inHinduism and to some extent in Islam. Basically it would be merged and submerged in the vast body of Hinduism. This is what happened to every reformation movement in Hinduism. They ended up becoming another sect of HinduismHinduism = Sikhism + moreHinduism will simply absorb it.It is a shame that the Sikhs did not get a seperate nation (I don't know whetehr anyone gave them this choice) so that they could fully celebrate their faith without the mercy of a secular Indian Govt. In this regard, they got the same deal as Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Christians, and Parses of the sub-continent. They could have 10 national holidays for the 10 Gurus, have Punjabi as national language and develop their culture more fully. Only the Muslims managed to get an Islamic state (unfortunately this was also contaminated by minorities such as Hindus and Buddhists of Paksitan). I am not sure when would Hindu fundamentalism (HF)end (by HF I mean not respecting the excusivity of other religions)which has been the caus eof much sorrow in the past 50 + years.Islam = Sikhism + more of other things, less of GuruIslam will simply reject it as it has done for Bahai.Hope this makes sense to you.K.Sreekrishna Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Sikhism is a realization of God and the way of life in order to meet God. Since every religion has its own way of life, Sikhism can never be absorbed either in Hinduism or Sikhism. By the way how do you know whats coming in future? Your post has no base and no ground. I hope other Hindus do not think like tatachar By saying stuff like Sikhism will be absorbed in Hinduism, people like tatachar break religious wars. tatachar, why can't you be acceptable of Sikhism? Whats wrong with you? > > > > > > tatachar wrote: > > >>Otherwise, it will be reduced to the state of a > Hindu or a > Muslim sect, which is at best counter productive.<<< > > The principles are already in one way or the other > in > Hinduism and to some extent in Islam. Basically it > would be merged and submerged in the vast body of > Hinduism. This is what happened to every reformation > movement in Hinduism. They ended up becoming another > sect of Hinduism > > Hinduism = Sikhism + more > Hinduism will simply absorb it. > > It is a shame that the Sikhs did not get a seperate > nation (I don't know whetehr anyone gave them this > choice) so that they could fully celebrate their > faith without the mercy of a secular Indian Govt. In > this regard, they got the same deal as Hindus, > Buddhists, Jains, Christians, and Parses of the > sub-continent. They could have 10 national holidays > for the 10 Gurus, have Punjabi as national language > and develop their culture more fully. Only the > Muslims managed to get an Islamic state > (unfortunately this was also contaminated by > minorities such as Hindus and Buddhists of > Paksitan). I am not sure when would Hindu > fundamentalism (HF)end (by HF I mean not respecting > the excusivity of other religions)which has been the > caus eof much sorrow in the past 50 + years. > > Islam = Sikhism + more of other things, less of Guru > Islam will simply reject it as it has done for > Bahai. > > Hope this makes sense to you. > > > K.Sreekrishna > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Sikh fought for a separate country called Khalistan because of people like you who do not give any acknowledgement to Sikhism and make stupid comments like Sikhism will be absorbed in Hinduism. Other fake comments are: Sikhism is a sect of Hinduism. Comments like this infringe on the self-esteem of Sikhs. One of many fake comments is written in Indian Constitution that Sikhs are Hindus with long hair. Informally India is also called Hindustan (the land of Hindus). There are numerous other reasons that compelled Sikhs to ask for a separate country. I have no hard feeling for Hindus, as I have many Hindu friends. But I do meet wrong-headed people like you who try to draw a wedge between good relations among Sikhs and Hindus. Usually, I do not respond to such people but here I see the need so that my good Hindu friends do not fall in your pit. Only if we acknowledge and respect each other’s beliefs, there will be no fight. --- tatachar wrote: > As you well know, Sikhs fought for a seperate home > (Khalistan) for over a > decade. > So it is not my idea, just my observation ! > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 By people like you, I am refering to tatachar Just clarifying so that no misunderstanding can occur. --- "G. Singh" <singh337 wrote: > Sikh fought for a separate country called Khalistan > because of people like you who do not give any > acknowledgement to Sikhism and make stupid comments > like Sikhism will be absorbed in Hinduism. > > Other fake comments are: Sikhism is a sect of > Hinduism. Comments like this infringe on the > self-esteem of Sikhs. > > One of many fake comments is written in Indian > Constitution that Sikhs are Hindus with long hair. > > Informally India is also called Hindustan (the land > of > Hindus). > > There are numerous other reasons that compelled > Sikhs > to ask for a separate country. > > I have no hard feeling for Hindus, as I have many > Hindu friends. But I do meet wrong-headed people > like > you who try to draw a wedge between good relations > among Sikhs and Hindus. Usually, I do not respond to > such people but here I see the need so that my good > Hindu friends do not fall in your pit. > > Only if we acknowledge and respect each other’s > beliefs, there will be no fight. > > > --- tatachar wrote: > > As you well know, Sikhs fought for a seperate home > > (Khalistan) for over a > > decade. > > So it is not my idea, just my observation ! > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM > --~-> > > > > Links > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 JAI HIND "G. Singh" <singh337 > wrote: Sikhism is a realization of God and the way of life inorder to meet God. Since every religion has its ownway of life, Sikhism can never be absorbed either inHinduism or Sikhism.By the way how do you know whats coming in future?Your post has no base and no ground. I hope otherHindus do not think like tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com By sayingstuff like Sikhism will be absorbed in Hinduism,people like tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com break religious wars.tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com, why can't you be acceptable ofSikhism? Whats wrong with you?> > > > > > tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:> > >>Otherwise, it will be reduced to the state of a> Hindu or a > Muslim sect, which is at best counter productive.<<<> > The principles are already in one way or the other> in> Hinduism and to some extent in Islam. Basically it> would be merged and submerged in the vast body of> Hinduism. This is what happened to every reformation> movement in Hinduism. They ended up becoming another> sect of Hinduism> > Hinduism = Sikhism + more> Hinduism will simply absorb it.> > It is a shame that the Sikhs did not get a seperate> nation (I don't know whetehr anyone gave them this> choice) so that they could fully celebrate their> faith without the mercy of a secular Indian Govt. In> this regard, they got the same deal as Hindus,> Buddhists, Jains, Christians, and Parses of the> sub-continent. They could have 10 national holidays> for the 10 Gurus, have Punjabi as national language> and develop their culture more fully. Only the> Muslims managed to get an Islamic state> (unfortunately this was also contaminated by> minorities such as Hindus and Buddhists of> Paksitan). I am not sure when would Hindu> fundamentalism (HF)end (by HF I mean not respecting> the excusivity of other religions)which has been the> caus eof much sorrow in the past 50 + years.> > Islam = Sikhism + more of other things, less of Guru> Islam will simply reject it as it has done for> Bahai.> > Hope this makes sense to you.> > > K.Sreekrishna> > Sponsor> > > > Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of Groups is subject to the> > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Do you ?Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.http://messenger./ yreligion is to Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 >>Hindus do not think like tatachar By saying stuff like Sikhism will be absorbed in Hinduism,<< Looks like you did not understand what I wrote. I am with you and I would like Sikhs to keep their uniqueness. If Sikhism did not identify itself as a distinct religion, which it has rightly done, it would have just become another sect of Hinduism. (Not that Hinduism is in need of any more sects). Also, the moment Sikhs ignore their unique identity, it will be swept into the occean of Hinduism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: >>Hindus do not think like tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com By sayingstuff like Sikhism will be absorbed in Hinduism,<<Looks like you did not understand what I wrote.I am with you and I would like Sikhs to keep their uniqueness. If Sikhism did not identify itself as a distinctreligion, which it has rightly done, it would havejust become another sect of Hinduism.(Not that Hinduism is in need of any more sects).Also, the moment Sikhs ignore theirunique identity, it will be swept into the occean of Hinduism. Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Again looks like You didn't seem to understand what I wrote. Actually, I am in agreement with you. Hindus have an eternal problem of recognizing the uniqueness of other religions. Did I say, it was wrong for Sikhs to fight for seperate home land? If I had any say, I support that Sikhs should have been given the choice of seperate home land. I hinted the sacrifice of Sikh gurus in my very first mail. Because you have problem of comprehension of my writing style, I will elaborate: To my knowledge, it is only Sikhs who have given their life to defend another faith (read Hinduism). They protected Hinduism against Islam, at a stage when Hindus were pretty much marginalized and subdued by Islamic rulers. I look at Sikh scarifice with gratitude. it is hard to express that without looking like I am patronizing Sikhs. Please try to understand what is said before you comment. I respect anyone who is worthy of my respect. That is nothing to do with their nationality, ethnicity, religion or race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Thanks for your comments. I am glad you realize the reality. Sorry for misunderstanding. --- tatachar wrote: > Again looks like You didn't seem to understand what > I wrote. > Actually, I am in agreement with you. Hindus have an > eternal problem of recognizing the uniqueness of > other religions. > > Did I say, it was wrong for Sikhs to fight for > seperate home land? If I had any say, I support that > Sikhs should have been given the choice of seperate > home land. > > I hinted the sacrifice of Sikh gurus in my very > first mail. Because you have problem of > comprehension of my writing style, I will elaborate: > > To my knowledge, it is only Sikhs who have given > their life to defend another faith (read Hinduism). > They protected Hinduism against Islam, at a stage > when Hindus were pretty much marginalized and > subdued by Islamic rulers. > I look at Sikh scarifice with gratitude. it is hard > to express that without looking like I am > patronizing Sikhs. > > Please try to understand what is said before you > comment. > I respect anyone who is worthy of my respect. That > is nothing to do with their nationality, ethnicity, > religion or race. > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Sorry to rake up the old message, but people seem to have forgotten Marathas, Vijayanagara empire and hindu warriors resisting Islam's advance into India. The idea that "only" sikhs fought islamic maruaders is a myth, propagated in India to further weaken and eliminate already weak Kshatriya class. Sikhs did contribute quite a lot, not to take anything away from Sikhs. Read this article as well http://www.esamskriti.com/html/new_inside.asp? cat_name=why&sid=61&count1=0&cid=382 Regaring hindu resistance, please read and learn hindus' and India's authentic history and dump the history taught to Indians by our white masters and missionaries. http://www.bharatvani.org/books/hhrmi Thank you and regards , tatachar@a... wrote: > Again looks like You didn't seem to understand what I wrote. > Actually, I am in agreement with you. Hindus have an eternal problem of recognizing the uniqueness of other religions. > > Did I say, it was wrong for Sikhs to fight for seperate home land? If I had any say, I support that Sikhs should have been given the choice of seperate home land. > > I hinted the sacrifice of Sikh gurus in my very first mail. Because you have problem of comprehension of my writing style, I will elaborate: > To my knowledge, it is only Sikhs who have given their life to defend another faith (read Hinduism). > They protected Hinduism against Islam, at a stage when Hindus were pretty much marginalized and subdued by Islamic rulers. > I look at Sikh scarifice with gratitude. it is hard to express that without looking like I am patronizing Sikhs. > > Please try to understand what is said before you comment. > I respect anyone who is worthy of my respect. That is nothing to do with their nationality, ethnicity, religion or race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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