worshipping Lord Shiva

May 31, 2005

Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva is

inauspicious because He is related to the destruction.

Is it true?

Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva is that He is

always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is the

first Guru who gives divine knowledge (Jnanam

Maheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be very

auspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He is

indicating destruction of the world or the death of a

person. One should always remember that this world

will be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you must

know that death is inevitable for the body and for the

body relationships. The old person must be aware of

the death that is going to come shortly and must

become spiritually alert. Even the young man must

think about untimely accidental death and that there

is no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers

the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.

The human being is not turned to spirituality because

he thinks that he will live forever or live for a

very long time. He should constantly remind his mind

about the death and thus should become spiritually

active. Generally people think that death is

inauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru that

gives knowledge about the temporary existence of the

body and makes the human being alert in the spiritual

effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one should

constantly remember death as if it is walking by our

side catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appears

inauspicious externally. But internally He is the

embodiment of the divine knowledge and most

auspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.

Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamas

gives rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahlada

was firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter

who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation by

donating eyes to Lord Siva. Even Sattvam when turned

towards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very polite

and was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses

Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word of

Lord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was diverted

towards the world and he was very greedy. The Lord

punished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justice

also by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules

of justice to protect His real devotee due to the

Tamas quality only. Lord Siva protected Markandeya in

this way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond of

prostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in

Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even if

the Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard not

leaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.

At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,

Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment of

Sattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith on

Lord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forced

him to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of

firmness in the faith and the firmness is always due

to Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva is very much in

the spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman is

called Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on the

association with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas

respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts of

different colours. The Lord is not having any colour.

Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energetic

bodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate

coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scolded

Brahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same (Brahmacha

Narayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is to

differentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and to

differentiate their corresponding incarnations i.e.,

Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.

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May 31, 2005

Dear Moderator Swamy,

Daily I use to delete this mail without

opening. Today by mistake I have opened

seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam.

Why do you allow such immatured and

anti Vaishnava write ups in this group.

Why don't you stop such time wasting

mails.

Sri Ramanuja Dasan,

R. Padmanabhan,

Branch Accountant,

Fenner (India) Ltd.,

9-1-87, S.D. Road,

Secunderabad.

A.P.

Tel: 040 27703042; 040 27804038

Cell: 040 31109751

Fax: 040 27703770

Email: padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com

Gayathry <agayathry >

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worshipping

Lord Shiva

Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva is

inauspicious because He is related to the destruction.

Is it true?

Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva is that He is

always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is the

first Guru who gives divine knowledge (Jnanam

Maheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be very

auspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He is

indicating destruction of the world or the death of a

person. One should always remember that this world

will be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you must

know that death is inevitable for the body and for the

body relationships. The old person must be aware of

the death that is going to come shortly and must

become spiritually alert. Even the young man must

think about untimely accidental death and that there

is no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers

the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.

The human being is not turned to spirituality because

he thinks that he will live forever or live for a

very long time. He should constantly remind his mind

about the death and thus should become spiritually

active. Generally people think that death is

inauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru that

gives knowledge about the temporary existence of the

body and makes the human being alert in the spiritual

effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one should

constantly remember death as if it is walking by our

side catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appears

inauspicious externally. But internally He is the

embodiment of the divine knowledge and most

auspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.

Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamas

gives rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahlada

was firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter

who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation by

donating eyes to Lord Siva. Even Sattvam when turned

towards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very polite

and was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses

Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word of

Lord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was diverted

towards the world and he was very greedy. The Lord

punished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justice

also by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules

of justice to protect His real devotee due to the

Tamas quality only. Lord Siva protected Markandeya in

this way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond of

prostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in

Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even if

the Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard not

leaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.

At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,

Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment of

Sattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith on

Lord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forced

him to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of

firmness in the faith and the firmness is always due

to Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva is very much in

the spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman is

called Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on the

association with Sattvam, Rajas and Tamas

respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts of

different colours. The Lord is not having any colour.

Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three energetic

bodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate

coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scolded

Brahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same (Brahmacha

Narayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is to

differentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and to

differentiate their corresponding incarnations i.e.,

Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.

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May 31, 2005

SrI:

The same is the case with many SrIvaishnavas. I doubt whether this group has any

moderator. The group name lured me to join. I would like to leave now.

The writer (could be the so called svamiji himself) has so many lists to publish

such articles other than SrIvaishnava lists. I know that many lists ban these

articles.

adiyen.

-

R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER

Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:39 PM

Re: worshipping Lord Shiva

Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by

mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such

immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such

time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan,Branch Accountant,Fenner

(India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040 27703042; 040

27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email: padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com

Gayathry <agayathry > Sent by: 05/31/2005 12:35 PM

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worshipping Lord Shiva

Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is

related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva

is that He isalways auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru

who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to

be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction

of the world or the death of aperson. One should always remember that this

worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is

inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be

aware ofthe death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually

alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that

thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,

he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality

becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He

should constantly remind his mindabout the death and thus should become

spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is

the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of

thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritualeffort. In Mahabharata

it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by

ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious

externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and

mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned

towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.

Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunterwho is the

embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva. Even

Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand was a

devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never followed the

word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards the world and

he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the

justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rulesof justice to

protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva protected

Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond ofprostitute due to

Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord

even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful

wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on

the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality.

But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord

Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack offirmness in

the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the importance of Siva

is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman iscalled Brahma,

Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and

Tamasrespectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The

Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three

energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separatecoloured shirts.

If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the same

(BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is todifferentiate

Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding incarnations

i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.

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On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Moderator Swamy,

Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by mistake I have opened

seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such immatured and anti

Vaishnava write ups in this group.

Why don't you stop such time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan,

Branch Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel:

040 27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:

padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com

Gayathry <agayathry >

Sent by: 05/31/2005 12:35 PM

Please respond to

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agayathry <agayathry >

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Subject

worshipping Lord Shiva

Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is

related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva

is that He is

always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru who gives divine

knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to be veryauspicious

in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction of the world or the

death of a

person. One should always remember that this worldwill be destroyed and is not

eternal. By this you mustknow that death is inevitable for the body and for

thebody relationships. The old person must be aware of

the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually alert. Even

the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that thereis no

guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembers

the death constantly, he will be spiritually active.The human being is not

turned to spirituality becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for

avery long time. He should constantly remind his mind

about the death and thus should become spirituallyactive. Generally people think

that death isinauspicious. But it is the most auspicious Guru thatgives

knowledge about the temporary existence of thebody and makes the human being

alert in the spiritual

effort. In Mahabharata it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if

it is walking by ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also

appearsinauspicious externally. But internally He is the

embodiment of the divine knowledge and mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the

quality of Tamas.Any quality turned towards God is always good. Tamasgives

rigid firmness in the spiritual path. Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality

only. Kannappa, a hunter

who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.

Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand

was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possesses

Sattvam quality. But he never followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam

quality was divertedtowards the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished

him. In Nivrutti one has to cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord

crosses the rules

of justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva

protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond

ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that in

Nivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is

like the drunkard notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that

stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,

Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the embodiment ofSattvam quality. But he was

not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore, even if Lord Krishna forcedhim

to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack of

firmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the

importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman

iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and

Tamas

respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The Lord is

not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three

energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate

coloured shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says

the same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is

todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding

incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.

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June 2, 2005

I don't understand your problem in reading that Q&A. This shows that your

Bhakthi and faith towards Vishnu is not firm. It is good to have one pointed

devotion. As soon as you start hating some thing there is no place in your

heart for Perumal.

Do you people think, Bhagavan will appreciate your dwesham. Meaning of Vaishnava

is tolerant, single pointed devotion.

This hatred between our own hindu sectors only made Bhudists,christians and

muslims to invade our culture and criticise our values. Be a good Vaishnava!!

Our children needs acceptance of our own principles with tolerance.Not hatred.

He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another?s calamities as his own.Ever

ready to serve, he never boasts.Keeping his thought, word and deed pure.Blessed

is the mother of such a person.He treats women as he would treat his own

motherHe keeps his mind calm and does not stain his lips with falsehood;Nor

does he touch another?s wealth.No bonds of attachment can hold him.Ever in tune

with Rama-nama (name of God), within his body is present all places of

piligrimage.Free from greed and deceit, passion and anger,This is a true

Vaishnava

Don't ever say some thing which you don't like is rubbish. This shows your

immaturity of mind. You are not fit to be a good Vaishnavite.

ShankarTHIRUPPATHYRaguveeradayal Iyengar <rajamragu > wrote:

Adiyen fully endorses the view of Sri Padmanaban Swami.

On 31/05/05, R Padmanabhan/ACCT/SBD/FENNER <padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Moderator Swamy, Daily I use to delete this mail without opening. Today by

mistake I have opened seen the Abhatha Kazhanjiyam. Why do you allow such

immatured and anti Vaishnava write ups in this group. Why don't you stop such

time wasting mails. Sri Ramanuja Dasan, R. Padmanabhan, Branch

Accountant,Fenner (India) Ltd.,9-1-87, S.D. Road,Secunderabad.A.P.Tel: 040

27703042; 040 27804038Cell: 040 31109751Fax: 040 27703770Email:

padmanabhan (AT) fennermail (DOT) com

Gayathry <agayathry > Sent by: 05/31/2005 12:35 PM

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Subject

worshipping Lord Shiva

Q.196) I was told that worshipping Lord Siva isinauspicious because He is

related to the destruction.Is it true?Ans.) The very meaning of the word Siva

is that He is always auspicious. It is stated that Lord Siva is thefirst Guru

who gives divine knowledge (JnanamMaheswaraat). The divine knowledge is said to

be veryauspicious in Gita (Nahi Jnanena Sadrusam). He isindicating destruction

of the world or the death of a person. One should always remember that this

worldwill be destroyed and is not eternal. By this you mustknow that death is

inevitable for the body and for thebody relationships. The old person must be

aware of the death that is going to come shortly and mustbecome spiritually

alert. Even the young man mustthink about untimely accidental death and that

thereis no guarantee of the old age. Thus if one remembersthe death constantly,

he will be spiritually active.The human being is not turned to spirituality

becausehe thinks that he will live forever or live for avery long time. He

should constantly remind his mind about the death and thus should become

spirituallyactive. Generally people think that death isinauspicious. But it is

the most auspicious Guru thatgives knowledge about the temporary existence of

thebody and makes the human being alert in the spiritual effort. In Mahabharata

it is told that one shouldconstantly remember death as if it is walking by

ourside catching hold of our hair. Lord Siva also appearsinauspicious

externally. But internally He is theembodiment of the divine knowledge and

mostauspicious. Lord Siva represents the quality of Tamas.Any quality turned

towards God is always good. Tamasgives rigid firmness in the spiritual path.

Prahladawas firm due to Tamas quality only. Kannappa, a hunter

who is the embodiment of Tamas attained salvation bydonating eyes to Lord Siva.

Even Sattvam when turnedtowards world is bad. Dhritarashtra was very politeand

was a devotee of Lord Krishna. He possessesSattvam quality. But he never

followed the word ofLord Krishna. All his Sattvam quality was divertedtowards

the world and he was very greedy. The Lordpunished him. In Nivrutti one has to

cross the justicealso by using Tamas. Even the Lord crosses the rules of

justice to protect His real devotee due to theTamas quality only. Lord Siva

protected Markandeya inthis way. Datta appears as a drunkard and fond

ofprostitute due to Tamas only. Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee

shall not leave the Lord even ifthe Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard

notleaving the harmful wine and the harmful prostitute.At that stage to have

such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas is required. Dharmaraja was the

embodiment

ofSattvam quality. But he was not having firm faith onLord Krishna. Therefore,

even if Lord Krishna forcedhim to tell a lie he refused. This is due to lack

offirmness in the faith and the firmness is always dueto Tamas. Thus the

importance of Siva is very much inthe spiritual line. Moreover the same Brahman

iscalled Brahma, Vishnu and Siva based on theassociation with Sattvam, Rajas and

Tamas respectively. The same Lord is in three shirts ofdifferent colours. The

Lord is not having any colour.Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are only the three

energeticbodies of the same Lord, which are like three separate coloured

shirts. If you scold Siva, you have scoldedBrahma and Vishnu. Veda says the

same (BrahmachaNarayanah, Sivascha Narayanah). The greatest sin is

todifferentiate Brahma, Vishnu and Siva and todifferentiate their corresponding

incarnations i.e.,Madhva, Ramanuja and Sankara.

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June 2, 2005

SrI:

Dear SrI Shankar,

I would like you you to go thro' the original posting of Gayathry:

""Datta preaches that inNivrutti the devotee shall not leave the Lord even ifthe

Lord harms him. This is like the drunkard notleaving the harmful wine and the

harmful prostitute.At that stage to have such a firm desire on the Lord,Tamas

is required."""

and some other quotations in this series of Q/A are really abhattams (we are not

talking about worshipping alone, here)

Vaidikas would like to have pramanams from vedas (and prastana trayams - which

are also based on vedas). Also, the examples shall be handled and quoted very

carefully.

Also, we should know the lineage of those who claim to be 'svamijis' etc, whom

we see plenty nowadays. If one man jumps from somewhere without any connection

(Acharya-lineage) to the pratama-Acharya (Sriman Narayana), we denounce them

too.

Hope you see this from other angle too. (I would like you to visit the site

mentioned by Gayathry, wherein you'll see more abhatthams)

-dAsan

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Of Shankar SridharanThursday, June 02, 2005 10:12 AMTo:

Subject: Re: worshipping Lord Shiva

Dear Vaishnavas,