Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 RESPECTED MODERATOR "DIVYA_DESAM (AT) (DOT) COM SHRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA. OFF LATE i FIND TOO MANY POSTINGS FROM Gayathry <agayathry > WHICH HAS NO RELEVENCE TO SHRIVAISHNAVISM NOR DIVYA-DESAMS. THESE POSTINGS ARE FURTHER GENERATING NEEDLESS CONTROVERSIS - THE PLEASURE OF READING THE POSTINGS ARE COMPLETELY LOST, AND OUR PEACE OF MIND IS DISTURBED WITH USELESS THOUGHTS. MAY I REQUEST THE MODERATOR TO COMPLETELY BLOCK THIS SOURCE OF USELESS THOUGHTS CREEPING TO OTHERWISE A HOLY SITE. I AM SURE ALL MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP ARE OF SAME OPENION AND WELCOME SUCH A MOVE. ALWAR EMBERUMANAR JEER THIRUVADIGALE SHARANAM ADIYEN RAMANUJA DASAN mathre rangarajan On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 wrote : >------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> >Would you Help a Child in need? >It is easier than you think. >Click Here to meet a Child you can help. >http://us.click./sTR6_D/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM >--~-> > >There are 5 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Details about Poovarasan Kuppam and Singiri Kovil > gokul kumar <gokulam1202 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > 2. A Peep into Periya ThiruMozhi 143 > Padmanabhan <aazhwar (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> > 3. Re: worship of Lord Shiva > "Geetha123" <geetha123 > > 4. realising Brahman > Gayathry <agayathry > > 5. Re: Details about Poovarasan Kuppam and Singiri Kovil > RAMESH PILLAI <trpillay (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:45:21 +0100 (BST) > gokul kumar <gokulam1202 (AT) (DOT) co.in> >Re: Details about Poovarasan Kuppam and Singiri Kovil > >Dear Sir, > >Tiruheendipuram is near Cuddalore and Tirukovilur is near Vellore. > >Regards >Gokul > >Rama Swamy <venkatram27 > wrote: >Dear All, > >Anyone can guide me where is Poovarasan Kuppam and >Singiri Kovil (I think Singiri Kovil in Pondicherry)? > >I'm planning to visit Parikkal, Thirukovillur and >Thiruvaintha puuram. Whether the above Temples are >near to that or not ? > >I'll be grateful if anyone can guide me. > >Adiyen >Sri Ramanuja Dasan > > > > >Discover >Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! >http://discover./weekend.html > > > > > Links > > >/ > > > > > > > > > >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends n family photos for FREE with Photos. > http://in.photos. > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:29:50 +0530 > Padmanabhan <aazhwar (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> >A Peep into Periya ThiruMozhi 143 > >Dear SrEvaishNavites, >As seen in the first thiru-voi-mozhi of Seventh ten, the sensory organs torment even thos who serve the supreme Lord. > >Sri thirumangai mannan underlines this fact and appeals to the Lord of Oppiliappan. > >This is described by Sri Sadagopan swAmy hereunder. > >dAsan >vanamamalai padmanabhan > > >SrI: >mallA-mallamaruL mALa mall-adartha mallA >Let us enjoy today the sixth Paasuram , where Kaliyan appeals to >HrusheekEsan , the Lord who is the controller of all Indhriyams >for help to overcome the misery of the Indhriyams . Through the use of >the word "Mallaa " in the Paasuram , Kaliyan aims his appeal to >HrusheekEsan or the Isan of Hrusheekams ( Indhriyams) . " IndhriyANAm >niyanthruthvAth HrusheekEsa: prakeertthitha: " is the definition for >HrusheekEsan . Here is the Paasuram : > >kallaa eimpulankaL avai kaNDavARu seyya-killEn > Mallaa ! mall amaruL mallar maaLa malladarttha >Mallaa ! maallal-amm-seer mathiL Ilankai azhittha > Villaa! NinnadainthEn ThiruviNNagar MeyavanE ! > >(Extended Meaning) : Oh Lord of ThiruviNNagar ! adiyEn could not go along >with the machinations of the panchEndhriyams driven by their poorva vAsanais. >They are ancient in origin . They thrive on dhushta vyApArams that lead to >their dhurvAsanais . adiyEn is dismayed and repeleld by their persistent >attacks to steer adiyEn towards aabhAsa vyApArams . Oh RishikEsA ! >You are known for Your mighty valour to defeat the fearsome wrestlers >of the KamsA's court with the name of ChANUran and Mushtikan . Your >valor in handling KodhaNdam to destroy the fortress city of LankA >girdled by the ocean is legendary . Oh Lord of such undisputed valour ! >You must help me to overcome the traps that adiyEn's PanchEndhriyams >set for me incessantly . They will not learn anything and change their ways. >Oh HrisheekEsaA ! You have to bless adiyEn with the arrow of vivEkam >to control these pestering PanchEndhriyams . Please empower adiyEn ! > >Special Notes : The Naalu Kavi PaNDithar , Kaliyan ( Scholar adept at >creating the four kinds of poetry ) thrills our ears with the rhythm and >alliterations in this Paasuram . He disparagingly refers to PanchEndhriyams >as "Kallaa EimpulankaL ". They are beyond education and training . >They do not benefit from learning about what is to be learned and >keep on doing lowly and forbidden things ( nishittha kaamya karmAs ) . >They keep on generating ruchi for SamsAram and make the Jeevan >a Nithya SamsAri . To control and keep at bay these "Kallaa EimpulankaL " , >the Jevan needs the help of HrusheekEsan . Kaliyan invokes the presence of >the Lord as " Mallaa" in his struggle agaist these "kallaa EimpulankaL ". > >Kaliyan reminds the Lord that His valor was well known both in Raama , KrishNa >avathArams . In KrishNAvathAram , our Lord entered the wrestling ring >( mall amaruL ) and destroyed the mighty wrstlers of Kamsan ( Mallar maaLa >mall adartthAi ). The way in which Kaliyan weaves a musical tapestry >around the word " mal " is most strike worthy . Mallaa ( HrusheekEsA ) ! >You entered the wrestling ring for a fight ( mall amaruL puhunthAi ) with >the Mallars . You wanted to destroy the powerful and well trained Mallars >and send a message to Your uncle , Kamsan about Your valour ( Mall amaruL >mallar maaLa Mall adartthAi ) . Mall here means the prowess of the wrestlers . >adartthAi means destroyed . " Mallaa ! Mall amaruL mall adarttha Mallaa ! >The first Mallaa refers to HrushekEsan , who controls the Indhriyams . >The last Mallaa stands for the power of the Lord , who destroyed the great >wrestlers like ChANUrA . > >In RaamAvathAram , KODhaNdapANi used His mighty bow to destroy >the fortified city of LankA protected by the sea all around . As Raghu veeran >and RaNa dheeran , He destroyed the aparAdhi , RaavaNan and his entourage >( KumbhakarNan , Indhrajith , Moola Balam et al) effortlessly . Kaliyan enjoys >RaamAvathAran , ThiruviNNagarappan , and recalls His valor : " Mallal amm >seer mathiL neer Ilankai azhittha Villaa " . Mallal means the most famous . >The city of LankA is known for its most beautiful ramparts ( mallal amm >seer mathiL ) surrounded by the ocean ( neer soozh Ilankai ) . Our Lord >destroyed that city and its king and came to be addressed as "Ilankai >azhittha villaa " . Vijaya Raaghavaa ! adiyEn has now arrived at Your lotus >feet seeking protection from the " kaNDavARu seyyum eimpulankaL ". >ThiruviNNagar MeyavanE ! Mallaa ! Ilankai azhittha villaa ! mallar maaLa >malladarttha Mallaa ! Kallaa EimpulankaL avai kaNDavARu seyya killEn . >( athanAl ) Villaaa ! NinnadainthEn . Raksha Maam HrusheekEsa ! > >Daasan , Oppiliappan KOil VaradAchAri Sadagopan >Srimath Azhagiya Singar Thiruvadi > > > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 3 > Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:11:13 -0000 > "Geetha123" <geetha123 > >Re: worship of Lord Shiva > >I have been a member of this site for a long time but I have never >posted to this site. I would like to share my thoughts on this with the >members. This post is strictly IMHO (in my humble opinion) only. It is >not directed against an individual or group. We (my family) are >Iyengars but even my grandmother used to go to Shiva temples and >celebrate all the Shiva festivals along with the Vishnu festivals. So, >I am not biased against anyone. > >I agree that in-fighting among Hindus has to stop. If it dosen't, we >will lose more Hindus to evangelists like Benny Hinn. But, this is a >site about Sri Vaishnavism. I am a member of many other groups (not >related to religion) and they do not allow unrelated posts on their >sites too. If we need to post an off topic, then we have to use the >letters "OT" in the subject line. Also, OT subject threads are not >allowed to continue for very long. The general rule of thumb is a limit >of three days. Worship of Shiva is an off-topic in a Sri Vishnavism >site unless it is related in some way to Sri Vaishnavism. > >Geetha > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 4 > Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:24:09 +0100 (BST) > Gayathry <agayathry > >realising Brahman > >Q.199) Is it not correct to say that we realize >Brahman when the ignorance disappears as told by >Sankara? > >Ans.) Sankara told ‘Jnanadevatu Kaivalyam’, which >means that one can achieve the grace of the Lord >through the divine knowledge. Ignorance regarding the >real form of the goal (Brahman), the path and the >individual soul should be removed by the real >knowledge of these three items. People think that if >the ignorance is removed the world and the body >disappear and the soul remains, which is Brahman. This >is not correct angle of understanding Sankara. The >world is created through ignorance of Brahman. But >Brahman is aware of itself through out the ignorance. >Such ignorance is only an apparent artificial cover of >Brahman used for its entertainment. The world is the >imagination of Brahman, which is completely in the >awareness. It is the daydream of a person imagining in >the awakened state for entertainment. It is not the >night dream that comes in the sleep. In such dream the >dreamer is controlled by the dream. But Brahman >controls this creation dream. It is true that the >ignorance of Brahman is the essence of the creation. >But Brahman is not in the grip of the ignorance >whereas the ignorance is in the grip of Brahman. Veda >says that the wind and the Sun function due to the >fear of Brahman (Bheeshasmaat…….). This means that >during the period of creation also in which Sun and >wind exist, Brahman controls the creation. When you >are watching the T.V., you can enjoy only when you are >under the ignorance that a cinema in it is really >happening. If you look at the screen and the T.V.Box >and realize that the entire cinema is only just false >imagination, the entertainment disappears. While >watching the cinema you must not know the future >story. The ignorance of the future story can only >create anxiety and interest in the cinema that leads >to the real entertainment. The soul is not the Lord >since Veda says that the souls are controlled by the >Lord (Aatmeswaram…….). When the ignorance of the soul >disappears, the daydream of the human being disappears >and not the world. It is contradicting the practical >experience. The human being caught in the grip of the >night dream reveals the real state of the individual >soul. When the Lord dissolves the world, this world >disappears but remains in the subtle state (Avyaktam). >When the cinema is stopped the scene on the screen >disappears, but the scene in the film remains the >same. The cinema can be again produced in the same way >if the film is protected. Veda says the same (Dhataa >Yatha Purvam…). >Veda says that you can get salvation only through >ignorance and you can attain God only through >knowledge (Avidyaya Mrityum Teerthva…..). The >salvation means the breakage of these worldly bonds. >You have to break these worldly bonds only while >ignorance continues. The ignorance makes you believe >1) that the world is real and the bonds are real. 2) >that the human incarnation is only a human being and >not the Lord. 3) the human being has to sacrifice the >hard earned fruit of work, which is real and belongs >to him or her. 4) That the work done by the human >being consumed the own energy of that human being. 5) >that this entire world is not the wealth of the Lord >and even if it is the wealth of the Lord, this human >being is not the Lord. When all these factors are real >the ignorance of the human being is full and the >sacrifice to God by the human being is also real. The >Lord also forgets that He is the Lord and feels >Himself as a human being only. Then only the Lord can >enjoy that sacrifice. If you are out of ignorance and >think that what ever you have earned is the wealth of >the God including yourself, then the sacrifice done by >you is only returning back ones own wealth. In such a >case it is not sacrifice at all. Therefore, the >sacrifice becomes real only when the world becomes >real and the ignorance continues. For the individual >soul the world is real and so the sacrifice done by >any human being is real. The Lord enjoys the love of >His devotee through that sacrifice. Then only the Lord >is pleased. Therefore, salvation means surpassing the >worldly bonds under the influence of the bond with the >Lord. The same mantra says that you should recognize, >achieve and also please the Lord by the real >knowledge. The foremost step in this is recognizing >the Lord. The true path is sacrifice and inseparable >identity is the divine knowledge of the Lord. By such >identity only one should recognize the Lord. >After recognition you must serve the Lord through >sacrifice, which can happen only under ignorance. You >should continuously serve and please the Lord >continuously. But the Lord is pleased only under the >ignorance. > > >Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 5 > Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:01:44 +0100 (BST) > RAMESH PILLAI <trpillay (AT) (DOT) co.in> >Re: Details about Poovarasan Kuppam and Singiri Kovil > >Dear Ramaswamy, >Tiruheendipuram is 8 Km from Cuddalore bus stand , you will get local bus or share auto charges only Rs,5/- per head, Tirukovilur is on the way to Tiruvanamali. You will get direct bus from Cuddalore bus stand.Just 3 minustes walkable distance from Tirukovilur bus stand to temple.(cuddalore to Tirukovilur approx. 2 hrs. jonuery). Morning session you will visit tiruheendipuram and evening session you will get darshan Tirukovilur. Tirukovilur will be closed between 12 pm and 3pm. In this time you can fix journey from Cuddalore to Tirukovilur. > >Happy Dharshan to Divyadesam Temple. > >Ramesh > >gokul kumar <gokulam1202 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: >Dear Sir, > >Tiruheendipuram is near Cuddalore and Tirukovilur is near Vellore. > >Regards >Gokul > >Rama Swamy <venkatram27 > wrote: >Dear All, > >Anyone can guide me where is Poovarasan Kuppam and >Singiri Kovil (I think Singiri Kovil in Pondicherry)? > >I'm planning to visit Parikkal, Thirukovillur and >Thiruvaintha puuram. Whether the above Temples are >near to that or not ? > >I'll be grateful if anyone can guide me. > >Adiyen >Sri Ramanuja Dasan > > > > >Discover >Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! >http://discover./weekend.html > > > > >How much free photo storage do you get? 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