Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 u want to make argument.I said both r equal.Don't compare.OK On 6/11/05, tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com <tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: >>bagawatgeetha he said,all the worship of us atlast goes to lordshiva.<<Can you quote the original shloka for this? There is only one place where the Lord says rudrAnAm shankaraschAsmi(of Rudras, I am Shankara")Ishwara in Bhagavadgita does not refer to Shiva.-----Original Message-----saravanan sundaram < ksaravanan23 >Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:36:44 +0530 True fact of Lord Shiva Dear all,We all have to keep it in our mind that there is no comparison betweensiva and vishnu.Both r same.I don't want to say that i belong to siva or vishnu.There is nocomparison at all. Lord vishnu said those who don't pray siva they will not get fullsatisfaction.In bagawatgeetha he said,all the worship of us atlast goesto lord shiva.one small story: Once adhisankarar's mothergot dharshan of shiva after theprayer ofadhisankarar(before his mother going to die).Thereafter she got darshanof vishnu also without praying.Then she asked "i wanted to see shiva but i have seen vishnu also to" to his son.Then he told" If u pray vishnu shiva also will come "or "If u prayshiva ,vishnu also will come"There is no comparison between them.Both r same.After that she said"I don't want to see anything in this world hereafter,I had very good darshan,now i want to leave"Then she went to heaven(mukthi).So ,please friends we worshipvishnu and shiva.It is our wish to prayanybody.So please don't compare. "Om namachivaya""Om namo narayana namaha""Baja Govindham"(It will guide us what we have to do in our life andgive peacefulness)Thank you friends,--with regards, K.Saravanan--with regards,K.Saravanan-------- Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:/ * To from this group, send an email to:* Your use of is subject to the ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~-->Would you Help a Child in need?It is easier than you think.Click Here to meet a Child you can help. http://us.click./sTR6_D/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM--~-> Groups Links<*> /<*> To from this group, send an email to: <*> Your use of is subject to: -- with regards,K.Saravanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Shiva and other Demi Gods give us everything we wish for, like any materialistic wish , when we pray them. If we pray to Narayana he will give us everything which we need in this world and also he will give us MOKSHA (A place in vaikunta - A place of everlasting bliss - A place when we go to and we will never have a re-birth). Another important point is MOKSHA is granted only by Narayana but NOT any other god / demi-god (including Shiva, Brahma etc.) THE ABOVE EXPLANATION IS THE SIMPLEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NARAYANA AND All the Gods/demi-gods. FROM THE ABOVE DIFFERENCE WE CAN NEVER SAY THAT NARAYANA IS EQUAL TO SHIVA. SHIVA (ALL THE GODS / DEMI-GODS) IS THE GREATEST DEVOTEE OF NARAYANA AND WE CAN NEVER DIS-RESPECT ANY DEVOTEE OF NARAYANA. THE ABOVE FACT IS MENTIONED IN ALL THE PURANAS INCLUDING THE GITA , VEDAs etc. I hope the above explanation is very clear to you and everybody. A Shri Vaishnava always prescribes a medicine called Narayana which is a permanent cure for all our illnesses and if you have any other medicine the cure for the illness is only temperory. The essence of the above explanation is when Narayana can give you the ultimate (Moksha) which can never be granted by any other god then we all should pray only to Narayana. Ramanuja Daasan Navalpakkam Chakrapani saravanan sundaram <ksaravanan23 > wrote: hi, u want to make argument.I said both r equal.Don't compare.OK On 6/11/05, tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com <tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: >>bagawatgeetha he said,all the worship of us atlast goes to lordshiva.<<Can you quote the original shloka for this? There is only one place where the Lord says rudrAnAm shankaraschAsmi(of Rudras, I am Shankara")Ishwara in Bhagavadgita does not refer to Shiva.saravanan sundaram < ksaravanan23 >Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:36:44 +0530 True fact of Lord Shiva Dear all,We all have to keep it in our mind that there is no comparison betweensiva and vishnu.Both r same.I don't want to say that i belong to siva or vishnu.There is nocomparison at all.Lord vishnu said those who don't pray siva they will not get fullsatisfaction.In bagawatgeetha he said,all the worship of us atlast goesto lord shiva.one small story:Once adhisankarar's mothergot dharshan of shiva after theprayer ofadhisankarar(before his mother going to die).Thereafter she got darshanof vishnu also without praying.Then she asked "i wanted to see shiva but i have seen vishnu also to" to his son.Then he told" If u pray vishnu shiva also will come "or "If u prayshiva ,vishnu also will come"There is no comparison between them.Both r same.After that she said"I don't want to see anything in this world hereafter,I had very good darshan,now i want to leave"Then she went to heaven(mukthi).So ,please friends we worshipvishnu and shiva.It is our wish to prayanybody.So please don't compare. "Om namachivaya""Om namo narayana namaha""Baja Govindham"(It will guide us what we have to do in our life andgive peacefulness)Thank you friends,--with regards, K.Saravanan--with regards,K.Saravanan-------- Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:/ * To from this group, send an email to:* Your use of Groups is subject to the ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~-->Would you Help a Child in need?It is easier than you think.Click Here to meet a Child you can help.http://us.click./sTR6_D/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM--~-> Groups Links<*> /<*> To from this group, send an email to: <*> Your use of is subject to: -- with regards,K.Saravanan Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear Mr.Saravanan, This forum is for discussion on Vaishnava Sidhantha and Divya Desam. Not Shiva etc. And Moderator has already told no more argument. Why you are again and again provoking other. I dont know whether Madam Gayathri Understands English or not. Again and again she is posting inspite of Moderator Requesting not to do. His mail is reproduced below: - Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:55 PM A Small request Respected Members of Divyadesamonline.com Groups,My first Namaskarams to all for being a part of this great group. Andit has come to our notice that some of you members are postingunwanted content / views in this very useful group.The main aim of starting this groups is to make the people know aboutour Sri Vaishnavism and to explore various aspects of Sri Vaishnavism.You can post various topics related to this.If anyone has a separate views, please members, this is not the rightgroup for that as there are lots of other groups for that.So, please members, use this group ONLY for that, that has been mentioned.Adiyen,Balaji. So let us end the topic here. best wishes Sridhar - saravanan sundaram Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58 AM u want to make argument hi, u want to make argument.I said both r equal.Don't compare.OK On 6/11/05, tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com <tatachar (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: >>bagawatgeetha he said,all the worship of us atlast goes to lordshiva.<<Can you quote the original shloka for this? There is only one place where the Lord says rudrAnAm shankaraschAsmi(of Rudras, I am Shankara")Ishwara in Bhagavadgita does not refer to Shiva.saravanan sundaram < ksaravanan23 >Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:36:44 +0530 True fact of Lord Shiva Dear all,We all have to keep it in our mind that there is no comparison betweensiva and vishnu.Both r same.I don't want to say that i belong to siva or vishnu.There is nocomparison at all.Lord vishnu said those who don't pray siva they will not get fullsatisfaction.In bagawatgeetha he said,all the worship of us atlast goesto lord shiva.one small story:Once adhisankarar's mothergot dharshan of shiva after theprayer ofadhisankarar(before his mother going to die).Thereafter she got darshanof vishnu also without praying.Then she asked "i wanted to see shiva but i have seen vishnu also to" to his son.Then he told" If u pray vishnu shiva also will come "or "If u prayshiva ,vishnu also will come"There is no comparison between them.Both r same.After that she said"I don't want to see anything in this world hereafter,I had very good darshan,now i want to leave"Then she went to heaven(mukthi).So ,please friends we worshipvishnu and shiva.It is our wish to prayanybody.So please don't compare. "Om namachivaya""Om namo narayana namaha""Baja Govindham"(It will guide us what we have to do in our life andgive peacefulness)Thank you friends,--with regards, K.Saravanan--with regards,K.Saravanan-------- Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:/ * To from this group, send an email to:* Your use of is subject to the ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~-->Would you Help a Child in need?It is easier than you think.Click Here to meet a Child you can help.http://us.click./sTR6_D/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM--~-> Groups Links<*> /<*> To from this group, send an email to: <*> Your use of is subject to: -- with regards,K.Saravanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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