Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 aRam thAnAi thirivAi Does one needs to accumulate lot of puNyam-s to attain Him? Does the credit in the accumulated account help in retrieivng oneself? Or if one does not have anything, is there any other solution? Sri ANDAL in kaRAvaigaL pAsuram answers this question "vundhannai piRavip peRum thanai puNNiyam yAmudiayOam" thiruppAvai 28; We possess the embodiment of the whole dharmam. krishNan dharamam sanAthanam. Sri thirumangai AzhwAr excellently coins this concept in a few words "...siRandhEan nin-adikkEa adimai---thiru-mAlEA, "aRam thAnAi thirivAi, vunnai en-manathEa thiRambAmal koNDEan, thiruviNNagarAnEa " 6-3-2; A walking dharmam--he terms the Lord. Oh! Lord You Yourself is the embodiment of dharmam and is looking for an opportunity to shower Your blessings. Should I need any other any qualificatin, other than You, vundhannai piRavip peRum thanai -puNNiyam yAm vudaiyOam dAsan vanamamalai padmanabhan P.s: The second line of the pAsuram goes like this "siRandhEan nin-adikkEA adimai (pause)-thiru-mAlEa" When reciting this line, it is suggested that a pause should be given after the word adimai and then continue with the word thiru-mAlE, to realise the full import of the meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 SrI: Dear SrI Padmanabhan svami, Can the following be explained a bit more.. Especially, the SrIsUktis of SrI ANDAL........please. -aDiyEn Does one needs to accumulate lot of puNyam-s to attain Him? Does the credit in the accumulated account help in retrieivng oneself? Or if one does not have anything, is there any other solution? Sri ANDAL in kaRAvaigaL pAsuram answers this question "vundhannai piRavip peRum thanai puNNiyam yAmudiayOam" thiruppAvai 28; We possess the embodiment of the whole dharmam. krishNan dharamam sanAthanam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Dear Shri Mukund swAmy, I just returned from Mumbai after two days trip, Hence did not reply immediately. The first couple of lines of 'kaRavaigaL pin senRu' indicates the lack of karmA-gnAnA and bakthi yOgam-s. The Lord asks whether they possess the past and present effect of good deeds --puNNIyam-s. Their answer is in the negative. However, they declare that they possess the sAksthAth dharmam-the ultimate puNNiyam -Lord krshNA. 'puNNiyam yAm-udiayOam' The 28th pAsuram of thiruppAvai explains the means to attain Him. the 29th the end. Having declared that karma-gnAna-bhakthi yOgam or puNNiyam-s are not a failsure method or means nor is incumbent to the nature of the jEvAthmA , the next question is the person who grants the wishes should be of immense potential -capable of elevate souls despite their failings. This is indicated by the word -kuRai onRum illAdha gOvindhA. The next is why should He do it for us? this is because of the natural relationship with Him. This particular relationship cannot be removed or destoryed. It is eternal. It does not get terminated with ones demise. This is indicated by the words ' vundhannOdu vuRavEal -vozhikka vozhiyAdhu' Then why did not the Grace did not fall till date? The acknowledgement that we do not possess anything-the efforts from our side- The realisation that He is our natural relative and that this relationship cannot be traded for mOksham has to fructify. In case of ANDAL -She was earlier calling Him formally -nArAyaNA and so on. Here she terms Him as GOvindha. This is termed as earlier ignorance -aRiyAdha piLLaigaLoam anbinAl vunnai siRu pEAr -- formal names He is the means . His GRAce is the means. He is the dharmam or puNNiyam. The thiru-voi-mozhi 'nORRa nOanbu ilEan' and thiruppAvai 'nORRuch suvarkkam' also voice the same concept. I shall write with vyAkyAnam quotes in due course. dAsan vanamamalai padmanabhan ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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