A Peep into Periya ThiruMozhi 154

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The king of three regions.

 

It was seen that the chOzha king who was a saivate had redeemed Himself by

surrendering at the divine feet of thirunaRaiyUr perumAL.

 

With the divine vAL he was able to bring under his reign a vast expanse of land.

This comprised of the northern region of tamilnadu, the central region and the

southern region.

 

This has been brought by AzhwAr by just three words

then-thamizhan-vada-pulak-kOnE -chOzhan sEarndha -thirunaRaiyUr maNimADAm

sEarmingaLE.6-6-5; and again further mentioned in the next pAsuram

then-nADAn kuda kongan chOzhan.

 

The fact that the Lord grants wishes of materialistic nature and also great

salvation is crystal clear from these pAsuram-s.

 

Hence, the soul need not go to any others even to attain materialistic desire

but fall at the dvine feet of the Lord

 

thirunaRaiyUr maNimADAm sEArmingaLEA.

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

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Respected Dasan Padmanabahan,

I have been very earnestly going through your articles through Divyadesam.

Thanks for the good work. I am an ardent devotee of Vishnu though I am a

saivaite. I consider both Shiva and vishnu as my two eyes.

 

Your following lines It was seen that the chOzha king who was a saivate had

redeemed Himself by surrendering at the divine feet of thirunaRaiyUr perumAL.

 

seems to be an abberation in today's context. It is not required to degrade

saivaites to extolthe virtues vaishnavism.I am sure you will agree to the fact

that there are better and several other ways to propagate the good things.

 

Thanking you

Ramachandran.

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Padmanabhan

ramanuja ; Oppiliappan ; vanamamalai ; divyadesams

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:45 AM

A Peep into Periya ThiruMozhi 154

The king of three regions.

 

It was seen that the chOzha king who was a saivate had redeemed Himself by

surrendering at the divine feet of thirunaRaiyUr perumAL.

 

With the divine vAL he was able to bring under his reign a vast expanse of land.

This comprised of the northern region of tamilnadu, the central region and the

southern region.

 

This has been brought by AzhwAr by just three words

then-thamizhan-vada-pulak-kOnE -chOzhan sEarndha -thirunaRaiyUr maNimADAm

sEarmingaLE.6-6-5; and again further mentioned in the next pAsuram

then-nADAn kuda kongan chOzhan.

 

The fact that the Lord grants wishes of materialistic nature and also great

salvation is crystal clear from these pAsuram-s.

 

Hence, the soul need not go to any others even to attain materialistic desire

but fall at the dvine feet of the Lord

 

thirunaRaiyUr maNimADAm sEArmingaLEA.

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

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Dear Swamy,

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Several people given several comments,

there were arguments, misunderstandings,

This is the best example for everybody.

Alwar's words cannot be disputed by any one.

This will give a clear information that

we are not degrading any body. It is not our intention too.

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A Peep into

Periya ThiruMozhi 154

The king of three

regions.

 

It was seen that the chOzha king

who was a saivate had redeemed Himself by surrendering at the divine

feet of thirunaRaiyUr perumAL.

 

With the divine vAL he was able

to bring under his reign a vast expanse of land. This comprised of the

northern region of tamilnadu, the central region and the southern region.

 

This has been brought by AzhwAr

by just three words

then-thamizhan-vada-pulak-kOnE

-chOzhan

sEarndha -thirunaRaiyUr maNimADAm sEarmingaLE.6-6-5; and

again further mentioned in the next pAsuram

then-nADAn kuda kongan chOzhan.

 

The fact that the Lord grants wishes

of materialistic nature and also great salvation is crystal clear from

these pAsuram-s.

 

Hence, the soul need not go to any

others even to attain materialistic desire but fall at the dvine

feet of the Lord

 

thirunaRaiyUr

maNimADAm sEArmingaLEA.

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Ramachandran,

Since, I was away at Hyderabad, I was not able to repy forthwith.

I do not know whether you are a saivaite or a smarthA. A saivite is one who

believes that Lord ShivA gives salvation.

 

A smArthA -as per my understanding,though worships others, believes that only

Lord VishNu can give salvation -follower of Adi-sankarAs advaitam. In this

case, the souls are considered as a part of the Lord.

 

2. VaishNavism considers Lord VishNu as paramAthmA and all others as jEvAthmA.

They consider Him as the means and service to the Lord as the ultimate

goal.-kainkaryam.

 

3. Therefore, both are exactly opposite to each other in philosophy. They cannot

be two eyes, even if one sentimentally desires so.

 

4.' The Peep into Periya thirumozhi' write up, is based on Sri Periya VAchAn

piLLai's vyAkyAnam and also explanations by Sri kAnchi PBA swAmy.

 

5. The principles of vaishNavism or saivism do not change in tandem with times.

Whether in the present context or earlier, saivites firmly believe that their

devotees do attain shivalOka prApthi. Due to change in times they cannot

consider otherwise. Therefore, I reiterate that this is not an aberration on

any day's context.

6. I am not propogating srEvaishNavism as you seem to think so. This faith's

fundamental postulate is to cherish the em-perumAn's kalyANa guNangaL together

alongwith the devotees. The experience of thirumozhi-thus is being shared.

 

No offence is meant. However, I cannot twist periya thirumzohi or its vyAkyAnam

or basic tents of srEvaishNavism to my whims and fancies or to changing times

nor you dhEvAram or thiruvAchagam or bhaja gOvindham.

 

I remain

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan