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For all those who are yet to think and look beyond Reality,

 

It is extremely simple & much easier to find gaps or flaw in any matter in this

universe by most living beings more so by the intelligent Human beings.

Please understand this strong statement in a much deeper sense......This

ofcourse is a very vast topic if one has to dig and try to understand more

,and more of it but truely for the Simple,Knowledgeable person the same is so

simple that one can understand within few seconds.

 

Every aspect in our Daily Life is so varied in experience and so will happen

till this World comes to an end. Even then you will find all living beings

becoming more Fanatic and hence, feel that they are right about what they have

experienced not realizing such things prevail everywhere.

On the contrary if you look at the other side of every single aspect in

matter,events,etc.. Good things/practices do prevail among unexpected which

infact lacks in a large degree among the most expected. Hence, it is all in the

INDIVIDUALS MIND !.. of those as Desireable and not a Desireable place,etc.

 

Please think deeply of this simple but strong phrase......"In Life, One gets

what one Deserves and not One Desires and

He knows What one Deserves" .

 

Om Venkateshwarai Namaha

 

-

Saroja Ramanujam

 

Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:47 AM

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I perfectly agree as I have been thinking along the same lines.

 

Dr.Saroja Ramanujam,M.A., Ph.D.,Siromani.

My subject for the thesis was Sribhashya of Ramanuja and I have

webpages,groupand blogs on Ramanuja and Desika and at present I am posting on

Yadhavabhyudhaya of Desika.Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Though the actions and the procedures of Iskcon and ours look similar and

following their methods look innocous, the philosphy propounded by Sri

RamAnujar is different from that followed by theirs.

 

2. I have been to mAyapur the headquarters of Iskcon and several years back. In

fact, I could get a good veg.food there .

 

3. I would put it this way. It need not be a banished place for us as it is

dedicated to Lord KrshNA. However, it is also not a desired place for us as

they do not follow the footsteps of Sri RamAnuja.

 

Dont you agree?

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

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rangaNATha swAmi dharshanam of shrI rangam!!!

 

Also download shrIlA praBhupAdha's golden video. The video of chanting harE

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Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Though the actions and the procedures of Iskcon and ours look similar and

following their methods look innocous, the philosphy propounded by Sri

RamAnujar is different from that followed by theirs.

 

2. I have been to mAyapur the headquarters of Iskcon and several years back. In

fact, I could get a good veg.food there .

 

3. I would put it this way. It need not be a banished place for us as it is

dedicated to Lord KrshNA. However, it is also not a desired place for us as

they do not follow the footsteps of Sri RamAnuja.

 

Dont you agree?

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

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harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam! jay shrIlA praBhupAdha!

 

Dear Sri Padmanabhan,

 

There are 4 sampradhAyAs, which shows path to vaikunTam. Or to speak still more

on higher devotional platform, these 4 sampradhAyAs preach the surrenderance

methods to lord viShNu in slight different manners. So I don't think ISKCON

must be treated as an undesirable place as they are not following our beloved

shrI rAmAnujAchArya.

 

I can give you an example for this. Since I like shrI rAmAnujAchArya and

AzhwArs, it is not correct that I should not love shrI annamAchArya. Every

devotee or vaiShNava must be treated equally, though they belong to different

sampradhAyAs. If we undesire or differentiate or try to see a vaiShNava far who

belongs in different sampradhAyam, it is called as jAthi vaiShNavam and not true

vaiShNavam (I received this same message personally from one of the devotees

from the group).

 

Sorry if I hurted you though I did not had 'hurting' kind of intention, but just

I wanted to highlight the fact. I also request you to kindly point out how there

is difference in following between ISKCON and shrI rAmAnujAchArya's philosophy.

Kindly don't identify the differences in manthrAs. It after all, viShNu

manthrAs all the vaiShNava schools preach, but may be different. So if there is

really something special or major difference, I request you to point them.

 

I want to just highlight what the goudIya (ISKCON) sampradhAyam preaches:

 

1) jIvAthma and paramAthma are completely individual.

2) jivAthma never merges with paramAthma.

3) jivAthma's prime duty is to surrender to paramAthma.

4) If not surrendered, jIvathma has to cycle the births and deaths and suffer a lot.

5) ISKCON strictly asks their followers to follow shrI prahlAdhA's instructions

of surrendering method: shravaNam, kIrthanam viShNum, smaraNam, pAdha sEvanam,

Archanam, vandhanam, dhAsyam, saKhyam and Athma nivEdhanam are nine things

which comes under devotional service, which is again another means of

surrenderance to lord viShNu.

6) ISKCON asks its followers to take BhagavadhgItha as PRIMARY book. And also

strictly recommends shrImadhBhAgavatham. And both these books, BhagavadhgItha

and shrImadhBhAgavatham are lord krShNa's works (shrImadhBhagavatham by shrI

vEdha vyAsa, who is incarnation of lord himself).

 

So in the above things if there is anything difference compared to shrI

rAmAnujAchArya, I request you to highlight.

 

I am also willing to highlight one more BIG fact. Among 4 sampradhAyAs, it is

goudIya sampradhAyA who is ruling the entire world at international level

currently. The 32nd AchArya of goudIya sampradhAyam, shrIla praBhupAdha, is the

one who is still playing a big game in making everyone lord krShNa's devotees,

though he physically disappeared before 28 years (in 1978). Still his game is

continuing. ISKCON is the one which is spreading krShNa Bhakthi or making lord

krShNa's devotees in huge quantity according to the statistics.

 

Kindly note that I am not trying to discourage other sampradhAyams. After all

AzhwArs are my blood to seed the devotion towards lord. My point is to just

highlight about the goudIya sampradhAyam's uniqueness currently present. I want

to bring to the light about the AchArya - shrIla praBhupAdha swAmi. To know more

about him, have look at this small flash movie:

 

http://www.krishnalilas.com/dloads/edi1jan06/SrilaPrabhupadaTKP.swf

 

So my final request is that kindly don't be undesired of other vaiShNavAs and

other sampradhAyams. One brick cannot make a big house. It requires joint

effort. For insance shrIlA praBhupAdha was captivated with the beauty of

mukundha mAlA of shrI kula shEkarAzhwAr's and tranlated in English. If at all

he saw shrI vaiShNavam as 'undesirable', why did he got attracted to kula

shEkarAzhwAr and translated and presevered in English? To view the tranlation

of mukundha mAla by kula shEkarAzhwAr, of shrIlA praBhupAdha, kindly visit the

following link:

http://mukundamala.com/en

 

I request sorries if any one got hurted. And thanks to Sri Padhmanabha for

bringing the discussion related to the lord.

 

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

 

Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Though the actions and the procedures of Iskcon and ours look similar and

following their methods look innocous, the philosphy propounded by Sri

RamAnujar is different from that followed by theirs.

 

2. I have been to mAyapur the headquarters of Iskcon and several years back. In

fact, I could get a good veg.food there .

 

3. I would put it this way. It need not be a banished place for us as it is

dedicated to Lord KrshNA. However, it is also not a desired place for us as

they do not follow the footsteps of Sri RamAnuja.

 

Dont you agree?

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

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devotee or vaiShNava must be treated equally, though they belong to different

sampradhAyAs. If we undesire or differentiate or try to see a vaiShNava far who

belongs in different sampradhAyam, it is called as jAthi vaiShNavam and not true

vaiShNavam (I received this same message personally from one of the devotees

from the group). Sorry if I hurted you though I did not had 'hurting' kind

of intention, but just I wanted to highlight the fact. I also request you to

kindly point out how there is difference in following between ISKCON and shrI

rAmAnujAchArya's philosophy. Kindly don't identify the differences in manthrAs.

It after all, viShNu manthrAs all the

vaiShNava schools preach, but may be different. So if there is really something

special or major difference, I request you to point them. I want to just

highlight what the goudIya (ISKCON) sampradhAyam preaches: 1) jIvAthma and

paramAthma are completely individual. 2) jivAthma never merges with

paramAthma. 3) jivAthma's prime duty is to surrender to paramAthma. 4) If not

surrendered, jIvathma has to cycle the births and deaths and suffer a lot. 5)

ISKCON strictly asks their followers to follow shrI prahlAdhA's instructions of

surrendering method: shravaNam, kIrthanam viShNum, smaraNam,

pAdha sEvanam, Archanam, vandhanam, dhAsyam, saKhyam and Athma nivEdhanam are

nine things which comes under devotional service, which is again another means

of surrenderance to lord viShNu. 6) ISKCON asks its followers to take

BhagavadhgItha as PRIMARY book. And also strictly recommends

shrImadhBhAgavatham. And both these books, BhagavadhgItha and

shrImadhBhAgavatham are lord krShNa's works (shrImadhBhagavatham by shrI vEdha

vyAsa, who is incarnation of lord himself). So in the above things if

there is anything difference compared to shrI rAmAnujAchArya, I request you to

highlight. I am also willing to highlight one more BIG fact. Among 4

sampradhAyAs, it is goudIya sampradhAyA who is ruling the entire world at

international level currently. The 32nd AchArya of goudIya sampradhAyam, shrIla

praBhupAdha, is the one who is still playing a big game in making everyone lord

krShNa's devotees, though he physically disappeared before 28 years (in 1978).

Still his game is continuing. ISKCON is the one which is spreading krShNa

Bhakthi or making lord krShNa's devotees in huge quantity according to the

statistics. Kindly note that I am not trying to discourage other

sampradhAyams. After all AzhwArs are my blood to seed the devotion towards

lord. My point is to just highlight about the goudIya sampradhAyam's uniqueness

currently present. I want to bring to the light about the AchArya - shrIla

praBhupAdha swAmi. To know more about him, have look at this small flash movie:

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justify">http://www.krishnalilas.com/dloads/edi1jan06/SrilaPrabhupadaTKP.swf

So my final request is that kindly don't be undesired of other vaiShNavAs and

other sampradhAyams. One brick cannot make a big house. It requires joint

effort. For insance shrIlA praBhupAdha was captivated with the beauty of

mukundha mAlA of shrI kula shEkarAzhwAr's and tranlated in English. If at all

he saw shrI vaiShNavam as 'undesirable', why did he got attracted to kula

shEkarAzhwAr and

translated and presevered in English? To view the tranlation of mukundha mAla by

kula shEkarAzhwAr, of shrIlA praBhupAdha, kindly visit the following link:

http://mukundamala.com/en I request sorries if any one got hurted. And thanks

to Sri Padhmanabha for bringing the discussion related to the lord.

TEXT-ALIGN: justify">- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees! On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan

<aazhwar > wrote: Dear Sri Balaji, Though the actions and the

procedures of Iskcon and ours look similar and following their methods look

innocous, the philosphy propounded by Sri RamAnujar is different from that

followed by theirs. 2. I have been to mAyapur the

headquarters of Iskcon and several years back. In fact, I could get a good

veg.food there . 3. I would put it this way. It need not be a banished place

for us as it is dedicated to Lord KrshNA. However, it is also not a desired

place for us as they do not follow the footsteps of Sri RamAnuja. Dont you

agree? dAsan vanamamalai padmanabhan

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Dear Sri Balaji,

I shall reply to your mail in due course.

 

Meanwhile, you seemed to have missed the point, that I have been to iskcon

mayapur and also to vrindhavan recently and have also uploaded the picture.

 

However, my point was, I definitely would prefer a place where my AchAryA

thorugh the link of Sri RamAnuja had preached not only the way of surrender but

also way of life.

 

I never told undesirable place. Undesirable place is one where you have to

toally ignore or deny yourself an entry. Not a very desired place,is one where

you do not go voluntarily on a regular basis.Therefore, I rquest you to get

read the words correct before concluding anything.

 

Sri RamanujA's EmperumAnAr darisanam is termed as The SrEvaishNavic philosophy.

Is it wrong for me to prefer my sampradhayam to others?

 

Meanwhile, I would like to have clarification from you regarding the 4

sampradhaya-s which show the path to vaikunTam.What are these 4?

Is the vaikunTam desrcibed by Iskcon and ours one and the same?

What is the place of Sriman NarAyaNA and His other incarnations in Iskcon?

What is the role of the jivAtmA after reaching Lord KrshNA?

 

I reiterate that I am not spurning iskcon per se- I have visited these long long

back and have read the books on them years ago.

 

I am leaving for trichy day afte tomorrow and will be back in a couple of days.

 

Meanwhile, I await your reply

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

 

-

Balaji A

 

Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:56 AM

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harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam! jay shrIlA praBhupAdha!

 

Dear Sri Padmanabhan,

 

There are 4 sampradhAyAs, which shows path to vaikunTam. Or to speak still more

on higher devotional platform, these 4 sampradhAyAs preach the surrenderance

methods to lord viShNu in slight different manners. So I don't think ISKCON

must be treated as an undesirable place as they are not following our beloved

shrI rAmAnujAchArya.

 

I can give you an example for this. Since I like shrI rAmAnujAchArya and

AzhwArs, it is not correct that I should not love shrI annamAchArya. Every

devotee or vaiShNava must be treated equally, though they belong to different

sampradhAyAs. If we undesire or differentiate or try to see a vaiShNava far who

belongs in different sampradhAyam, it is called as jAthi vaiShNavam and not true

vaiShNavam (I received this same message personally from one of the devotees

from the group).

 

Sorry if I hurted you though I did not had 'hurting' kind of intention, but just

I wanted to highlight the fact. I also request you to kindly point out how there

is difference in following between ISKCON and shrI rAmAnujAchArya's philosophy.

Kindly don't identify the differences in manthrAs. It after all, viShNu

manthrAs all the vaiShNava schools preach, but may be different. So if there is

really something special or major difference, I request you to point them.

 

I want to just highlight what the goudIya (ISKCON) sampradhAyam preaches:

 

1) jIvAthma and paramAthma are completely individual.

2) jivAthma never merges with paramAthma.

3) jivAthma's prime duty is to surrender to paramAthma.

4) If not surrendered, jIvathma has to cycle the births and deaths and suffer a lot.

5) ISKCON strictly asks their followers to follow shrI prahlAdhA's instructions

of surrendering method: shravaNam, kIrthanam viShNum, smaraNam, pAdha sEvanam,

Archanam, vandhanam, dhAsyam, saKhyam and Athma nivEdhanam are nine things

which comes under devotional service, which is again another means of

surrenderance to lord viShNu.

6) ISKCON asks its followers to take BhagavadhgItha as PRIMARY book. And also

strictly recommends shrImadhBhAgavatham. And both these books, BhagavadhgItha

and shrImadhBhAgavatham are lord krShNa's works (shrImadhBhagavatham by shrI

vEdha vyAsa, who is incarnation of lord himself).

 

So in the above things if there is anything difference compared to shrI

rAmAnujAchArya, I request you to highlight.

 

I am also willing to highlight one more BIG fact. Among 4 sampradhAyAs, it is

goudIya sampradhAyA who is ruling the entire world at international level

currently. The 32nd AchArya of goudIya sampradhAyam, shrIla praBhupAdha, is the

one who is still playing a big game in making everyone lord krShNa's devotees,

though he physically disappeared before 28 years (in 1978). Still his game is

continuing. ISKCON is the one which is spreading krShNa Bhakthi or making lord

krShNa's devotees in huge quantity according to the statistics.

 

Kindly note that I am not trying to discourage other sampradhAyams. After all

AzhwArs are my blood to seed the devotion towards lord. My point is to just

highlight about the goudIya sampradhAyam's uniqueness currently present. I want

to bring to the light about the AchArya - shrIla praBhupAdha swAmi. To know more

about him, have look at this small flash movie:

 

http://www.krishnalilas.com/dloads/edi1jan06/SrilaPrabhupadaTKP.swf

 

So my final request is that kindly don't be undesired of other vaiShNavAs and

other sampradhAyams. One brick cannot make a big house. It requires joint

effort. For insance shrIlA praBhupAdha was captivated with the beauty of

mukundha mAlA of shrI kula shEkarAzhwAr's and tranlated in English. If at all

he saw shrI vaiShNavam as 'undesirable', why did he got attracted to kula

shEkarAzhwAr and translated and presevered in English? To view the tranlation

of mukundha mAla by kula shEkarAzhwAr, of shrIlA praBhupAdha, kindly visit the

following link: http://mukundamala.com/en

 

I request sorries if any one got hurted. And thanks to Sri Padhmanabha for

bringing the discussion related to the lord.

 

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Though the actions and the procedures of Iskcon and ours look similar and

following their methods look innocous, the philosphy propounded by Sri

RamAnujar is different from that followed by theirs.

 

2. I have been to mAyapur the headquarters of Iskcon and several years back. In

fact, I could get a good veg.food there .

 

3. I would put it this way. It need not be a banished place for us as it is

dedicated to Lord KrshNA. However, it is also not a desired place for us as

they do not follow the footsteps of Sri RamAnuja.

 

Dont you agree?

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

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harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam! jay shrIlA praBhupAdha!

 

Dear Devotee Sri Padmanabhan,

 

Kindly accept my humble obiescances. You are doing such a wonderful kainkaryam

by posting about pAshurams. So if anything my messages hurt, kindly forgive

them. My reply to your words, follow below in blue colour:

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

 

Dear Sri Balaji,

I shall reply to your mail in due course.

 

Meanwhile, you seemed to have missed the point, that I have been to iskcon

mayapur and also to vrindhavan recently and have also uploaded the picture.

//Did I said any where that you did not visit ISKCON?

 

However, my point was, I definitely would prefer a place where my AchAryA

thorugh the link of Sri RamAnuja had preached not only the way of surrender but

also way of life.

//I appreciate your love and affection towards our shrI rAmAnujAzhwAr and thanks

a lot for making me utter his holy name 'shrI rAmAnujAzhwAr'.

 

I never told undesirable place. Undesirable place is one where you have to

toally ignore or deny yourself an entry. Not a very desired place,is one where

you do not go voluntarily on a regular basis. //You are changing the words.

Now you are telling "not a very desired place"

.. Previously you told "not a desired place". If you want you can check down your

old message, which I have added that too.

 

Therefore, I rquest you to get read the words correct before concluding

anything. //Hope the previous message answers this line.

 

Sri RamanujA's EmperumAnAr darisanam is termed as The SrEvaishNavic philosophy.

Is it wrong for me to prefer my sampradhayam to others? //Did I any where told

that you must not prefer shrI sampradhAyam? If any one tells like this he is

not a thiest, but an athiest. Because shrI sampradhAyam is our mother's, i.e.

goddess lakShmi's. Actually mother is one among the perfect guiders.

 

Meanwhile, I would like to have clarification from you regarding the 4

sampradhaya-s which show the path to vaikunTam. What are these 4?

//1) goudIya sampradhAyam [Lord krShNa's disciplic succession]; 2) shrI

sampradhAyam [mother lakShmi's disciplic succession]; 3) ruDhra sampradhAyam

[lord shiva's disciplic succession]; 4) nimBhArkachArya sampradhAyam [kEshava

kAshmIri's disciplic succession]. All the four preach the path to vaikunTam,

devotional service and the perfect way to surrender to the supreme lord.

 

Is the vaikunTam desrcibed by Iskcon and ours one and the same? //Definitely

yes. ISKCON also clearly gives the picture of gOlOka vrndhAvanam where lord

krShNa personally resides. And this they preach according to

shrImadhBhAgavatham, which is the topmost among all other purANAs. In

shrImadhBhAgavatham 12.13.16 it is stated: namna-gAnAm yathA gangA; dhEvAnAm

achyuthO yathA || vaiShNavAnAm yathA shamBhu; purANAnAm idham thathA || [Proof

link: http://vedabase.net/sb/12/13/16/en

] This means: As mother gangA is the supreme among rivers, as lord achyuthA is

the supreme among the gods, as lord shiva is the best devotee among vaiShNavAs,

among all the purANAs this shrImadhBhAgavatham is the greatest.

What is the place of Sriman NarAyaNA and His other incarnations in Iskcon? //All

incarnations of the supreme lord viShNu or lord krShNa are at equal level and

must not be treated one incarnation as powerless and other as powerful than

other. Of course, all the incarnations of the lord are all powerful.

 

What is the role of the jivAtmA after reaching Lord KrshNA? //Rendering

devotional service by surrendering to the lord, is the only goal of a

vaiShNava, whether you reach paramAthma or even if one goes to hell. So this is

the spirit of a vaiShNava, which ISKCON is preaching. And I recently came to

know that this what the same thing which shrI sampradhAyam also preaching.

Thanks for pattAngi praBhu for educating me about shrI sampradhAyam a bit. So

as I told almost all the vaiShNava sampradhAyam's followings will be 99% same.

But slight variations in the process of showing the surrenderance methods to

lord.

 

I reiterate that I am not spurning iskcon per se- I have visited these long long

back and have read the books on them years ago. //It is really good to know that

your intention is not to spurn ISKCON and I am not telling that you did not

visit ISKCON.

 

I am leaving for trichy day afte tomorrow and will be back in a couple of days.

//As I go and climb that holy 7 hoods of shrI Adhi shEsha (Tirumala) every

month, I am leaving Bangalore tommorrow morning as this month's programme is on

March 6th.

 

Meanwhile, I await your reply. //So meanwhile, I will aslo be awaiting for your reply.

 

dAsan //If you are dhAsan, then I am your dhAsan's dhAsan's dhAsan.

vanamamalai padmanabhan //- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees! I request once

again to forgive me if somewhere I hurted you.

 

 

-

Balaji A

 

Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:56 AM

Re: New Downloads @ KrishnaLilas.Com [shrI rangA Special]

 

harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam! jay shrIlA praBhupAdha!

 

Dear Sri Padmanabhan,

 

There are 4 sampradhAyAs, which shows path to vaikunTam. Or to speak still more

on higher devotional platform, these 4 sampradhAyAs preach the surrenderance

methods to lord viShNu in slight different manners. So I don't think ISKCON

must be treated as an undesirable place as they are not following our beloved

shrI rAmAnujAchArya.

 

I can give you an example for this. Since I like shrI rAmAnujAchArya and

AzhwArs, it is not correct that I should not love shrI annamAchArya. Every

devotee or vaiShNava must be treated equally, though they belong to different

sampradhAyAs. If we undesire or differentiate or try to see a vaiShNava far who

belongs in different sampradhAyam, it is called as jAthi vaiShNavam and not true

vaiShNavam (I received this same message personally from one of the devotees

from the group).

 

Sorry if I hurted you though I did not had 'hurting' kind of intention, but just

I wanted to highlight the fact. I also request you to kindly point out how there

is difference in following between ISKCON and shrI rAmAnujAchArya's philosophy.

Kindly don't identify the differences in manthrAs. It after all, viShNu

manthrAs all the vaiShNava schools preach, but may be different. So if there is

really something special or major difference, I request you to point them.

 

I want to just highlight what the goudIya (ISKCON) sampradhAyam preaches:

 

1) jIvAthma and paramAthma are completely individual.

2) jivAthma never merges with paramAthma.

3) jivAthma's prime duty is to surrender to paramAthma.

4) If not surrendered, jIvathma has to cycle the births and deaths and suffer a lot.

5) ISKCON strictly asks their followers to follow shrI prahlAdhA's instructions

of surrendering method: shravaNam, kIrthanam viShNum, smaraNam, pAdha sEvanam,

Archanam, vandhanam, dhAsyam, saKhyam and Athma nivEdhanam are nine things

which comes under devotional service, which is again another means of

surrenderance to lord viShNu.

6) ISKCON asks its followers to take BhagavadhgItha as PRIMARY book. And also

strictly recommends shrImadhBhAgavatham. And both these books, BhagavadhgItha

and shrImadhBhAgavatham are lord krShNa's works (shrImadhBhagavatham by shrI

vEdha vyAsa, who is incarnation of lord himself).

 

So in the above things if there is anything difference compared to shrI

rAmAnujAchArya, I request you to highlight.

 

I am also willing to highlight one more BIG fact. Among 4 sampradhAyAs, it is

goudIya sampradhAyA who is ruling the entire world at international level

currently. The 32nd AchArya of goudIya sampradhAyam, shrIla praBhupAdha, is the

one who is still playing a big game in making everyone lord krShNa's devotees,

though he physically disappeared before 28 years (in 1978). Still his game is

continuing. ISKCON is the one which is spreading krShNa Bhakthi or making lord

krShNa's devotees in huge quantity according to the statistics.

 

Kindly note that I am not trying to discourage other sampradhAyams. After all

AzhwArs are my blood to seed the devotion towards lord. My point is to just

highlight about the goudIya sampradhAyam's uniqueness currently present. I want

to bring to the light about the AchArya - shrIla praBhupAdha swAmi. To know more

about him, have look at this small flash movie:

 

http://www.krishnalilas.com/dloads/edi1jan06/SrilaPrabhupadaTKP.swf

 

So my final request is that kindly don't be undesired of other vaiShNavAs and

other sampradhAyams. One brick cannot make a big house. It requires joint

effort. For insance shrIlA praBhupAdha was captivated with the beauty of

mukundha mAlA of shrI kula shEkarAzhwAr's and tranlated in English. If at all

he saw shrI vaiShNavam as 'undesirable', why did he got attracted to kula

shEkarAzhwAr and translated and presevered in English? To view the tranlation

of mukundha mAla by kula shEkarAzhwAr, of shrIlA praBhupAdha, kindly visit the

following link:

http://mukundamala.com/en

 

I request sorries if any one got hurted. And thanks to Sri Padhmanabha for

bringing the discussion related to the lord.

 

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Though the actions and the procedures of Iskcon and ours look similar and

following their methods look innocous, the philosphy propounded by Sri

RamAnujar is different from that followed by theirs.

 

2. I have been to mAyapur the headquarters of Iskcon and several years back. In

fact, I could get a good veg.food there .

 

3. I would put it this way. It need not be a banished place for us as it is

dedicated to Lord KrshNA. However, it is also not a desired place for us as

they do not follow the footsteps of Sri RamAnuja.

 

Dont you agree?

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Thanks for your prompt reply. I am not hurt by your viewpoint. As putting one's

viewpoint should not hurt others in a forum.

 

Why I told not to jump to conlusions is bcoz of the following

 

1.The point I was trying to make that I have visited iskcon and that you are

glossing over is that, I have visited the places and do not have taboo.

Therefore, with this open mind let us approach the discussion. Yes, you never

told that I never visited iskcon. The point here is having visited iskcon and

in the light taht you should try to understand that per-se , I have an open

mind.

 

2. What I wanted to point out was 'I did not tell undesirable place' which you

have mentioned in two of your mails. that is why Yes, I did say 'not a desired

place'

and have also explained the purport in my second mail. The point again here is

whether 'not desired place' or 'not a desired place' i have clearly explained

that I do not spurn the place. The fact that I have visited these places must

have highlightred that there is no taboo or undesirable nature as have been

perceived as written by me.

Please refer to my message. you have changed the words 'not a desired place' to

'undesirable place' That is why I said do not jump to conclusions. Anyhow,

having explained now you would have understood my views.

 

3. As you have mentioned that SrEvaishNavite sampradhAyam and rAmanuja darsaNam

are ours. Therefore, anyother be it gaudiya or otherwise cannot be followed in

the strictest terms. That is what I meant.

 

4. regarding other matters I would like to get more after a few days. However,

my point of view is that, I follow Sri RamAnuja SampradhAyam and anything other

than that will not fall within the strictest of our parameters.

 

5. Sri kUrathAzvAn was stopped from entering Nam-PerumAL sannidhi on the grounds

that he was a dsiciple of Sri RamAnuja . However, they allowed him as they

opined that he was harmless.

 

Sri KurathAzvan mentioned that the qulaification of being Sri RamAnuja's

disciple is great enough and returned without entering Sri Nam-PerumAL's

sanctum.

What is the relevance of this now? Well, the connection with RamanujA is the

prime criterion and not the connection with Lord KrshnA?

 

Am I making myself clear?

 

thanks and reagards

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

-

Balaji A

 

Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:12 PM

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harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam! jay shrIlA praBhupAdha!

 

Dear Devotee Sri Padmanabhan,

 

Kindly accept my humble obiescances. You are doing such a wonderful kainkaryam

by posting about pAshurams. So if anything my messages hurt, kindly forgive

them. My reply to your words, follow below in blue colour:

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

Dear Sri Balaji,

I shall reply to your mail in due course.

 

Meanwhile, you seemed to have missed the point, that I have been to iskcon

mayapur and also to vrindhavan recently and have also uploaded the picture.

//Did I said any where that you did not visit ISKCON?

 

However, my point was, I definitely would prefer a place where my AchAryA

thorugh the link of Sri RamAnuja had preached not only the way of surrender but

also way of life. //I appreciate your love and affection towards our shrI

rAmAnujAzhwAr and thanks a lot for making me utter his holy name 'shrI

rAmAnujAzhwAr'.

 

I never told undesirable place. Undesirable place is one where you have to

toally ignore or deny yourself an entry. Not a very desired place,is one where

you do not go voluntarily on a regular basis. //You are changing the words.

Now you are telling "not a very desired place" . Previously you told "not a

desired place". If you want you can check down your old message, which I have

added that too.

Therefore, I rquest you to get read the words correct before concluding

anything. //Hope the previous message answers this line.

 

Sri RamanujA's EmperumAnAr darisanam is termed as The SrEvaishNavic philosophy.

Is it wrong for me to prefer my sampradhayam to others? //Did I any where told

that you must not prefer shrI sampradhAyam? If any one tells like this he is

not a thiest, but an athiest. Because shrI sampradhAyam is our mother's, i.e.

goddess lakShmi's. Actually mother is one among the perfect guiders.

 

Meanwhile, I would like to have clarification from you regarding the 4

sampradhaya-s which show the path to vaikunTam. What are these 4? //1) goudIya

sampradhAyam [Lord krShNa's disciplic succession]; 2) shrI sampradhAyam [mother

lakShmi's disciplic succession]; 3) ruDhra sampradhAyam [lord shiva's disciplic

succession]; 4) nimBhArkachArya sampradhAyam [kEshava kAshmIri's disciplic

succession]. All the four preach the path to vaikunTam, devotional service and

the perfect way to surrender to the supreme lord.

 

Is the vaikunTam desrcibed by Iskcon and ours one and the same? //Definitely

yes. ISKCON also clearly gives the picture of gOlOka vrndhAvanam where lord

krShNa personally resides. And this they preach according to

shrImadhBhAgavatham, which is the topmost among all other purANAs. In

shrImadhBhAgavatham 12.13.16 it is stated: namna-gAnAm yathA gangA; dhEvAnAm

achyuthO yathA || vaiShNavAnAm yathA shamBhu; purANAnAm idham thathA || [Proof

link: http://vedabase.net/sb/12/13/16/en ] This means: As mother gangA is the

supreme among rivers, as lord achyuthA is the supreme among the gods, as lord

shiva is the best devotee among vaiShNavAs, among all the purANAs this

shrImadhBhAgavatham is the greatest.

What is the place of Sriman NarAyaNA and His other incarnations in Iskcon? //All

incarnations of the supreme lord viShNu or lord krShNa are at equal level and

must not be treated one incarnation as powerless and other as powerful than

other. Of course, all the incarnations of the lord are all powerful.

What is the role of the jivAtmA after reaching Lord KrshNA? //Rendering

devotional service by surrendering to the lord, is the only goal of a

vaiShNava, whether you reach paramAthma or even if one goes to hell. So this is

the spirit of a vaiShNava, which ISKCON is preaching. And I recently came to

know that this what the same thing which shrI sampradhAyam also preaching.

Thanks for pattAngi praBhu for educating me about shrI sampradhAyam a bit. So

as I told almost all the vaiShNava sampradhAyam's followings will be 99% same.

But slight variations in the process of showing the surrenderance methods to

lord.

 

I reiterate that I am not spurning iskcon per se- I have visited these long long

back and have read the books on them years ago. //It is really good to know that

your intention is not to spurn ISKCON and I am not telling that you did not

visit ISKCON.

 

I am leaving for trichy day afte tomorrow and will be back in a couple of days.

//As I go and climb that holy 7 hoods of shrI Adhi shEsha (Tirumala) every

month, I am leaving Bangalore tommorrow morning as this month's programme is on

March 6th.

 

Meanwhile, I await your reply. //So meanwhile, I will aslo be awaiting for your reply.

 

dAsan //If you are dhAsan, then I am your dhAsan's dhAsan's dhAsan.

vanamamalai padmanabhan //- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees! I request once

again to forgive me if somewhere I hurted you.

 

 

-

Balaji A

 

Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:56 AM

Re: New Downloads @ KrishnaLilas.Com [shrI rangA Special]

 

harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam! jay shrIlA praBhupAdha!

 

Dear Sri Padmanabhan,

 

There are 4 sampradhAyAs, which shows path to vaikunTam. Or to speak still more

on higher devotional platform, these 4 sampradhAyAs preach the surrenderance

methods to lord viShNu in slight different manners. So I don't think ISKCON

must be treated as an undesirable place as they are not following our beloved

shrI rAmAnujAchArya.

 

I can give you an example for this. Since I like shrI rAmAnujAchArya and

AzhwArs, it is not correct that I should not love shrI annamAchArya. Every

devotee or vaiShNava must be treated equally, though they belong to different

sampradhAyAs. If we undesire or differentiate or try to see a vaiShNava far who

belongs in different sampradhAyam, it is called as jAthi vaiShNavam and not true

vaiShNavam (I received this same message personally from one of the devotees

from the group).

 

Sorry if I hurted you though I did not had 'hurting' kind of intention, but just

I wanted to highlight the fact. I also request you to kindly point out how there

is difference in following between ISKCON and shrI rAmAnujAchArya's philosophy.

Kindly don't identify the differences in manthrAs. It after all, viShNu

manthrAs all the vaiShNava schools preach, but may be different. So if there is

really something special or major difference, I request you to point them.

 

I want to just highlight what the goudIya (ISKCON) sampradhAyam preaches:

 

1) jIvAthma and paramAthma are completely individual.

2) jivAthma never merges with paramAthma.

3) jivAthma's prime duty is to surrender to paramAthma.

4) If not surrendered, jIvathma has to cycle the births and deaths and suffer a lot.

5) ISKCON strictly asks their followers to follow shrI prahlAdhA's instructions

of surrendering method: shravaNam, kIrthanam viShNum, smaraNam, pAdha sEvanam,

Archanam, vandhanam, dhAsyam, saKhyam and Athma nivEdhanam are nine things

which comes under devotional service, which is again another means of

surrenderance to lord viShNu.

6) ISKCON asks its followers to take BhagavadhgItha as PRIMARY book. And also

strictly recommends shrImadhBhAgavatham. And both these books, BhagavadhgItha

and shrImadhBhAgavatham are lord krShNa's works (shrImadhBhagavatham by shrI

vEdha vyAsa, who is incarnation of lord himself).

 

So in the above things if there is anything difference compared to shrI

rAmAnujAchArya, I request you to highlight.

 

I am also willing to highlight one more BIG fact. Among 4 sampradhAyAs, it is

goudIya sampradhAyA who is ruling the entire world at international level

currently. The 32nd AchArya of goudIya sampradhAyam, shrIla praBhupAdha, is the

one who is still playing a big game in making everyone lord krShNa's devotees,

though he physically disappeared before 28 years (in 1978). Still his game is

continuing. ISKCON is the one which is spreading krShNa Bhakthi or making lord

krShNa's devotees in huge quantity according to the statistics.

 

Kindly note that I am not trying to discourage other sampradhAyams. After all

AzhwArs are my blood to seed the devotion towards lord. My point is to just

highlight about the goudIya sampradhAyam's uniqueness currently present. I want

to bring to the light about the AchArya - shrIla praBhupAdha swAmi. To know more

about him, have look at this small flash movie:

 

http://www.krishnalilas.com/dloads/edi1jan06/SrilaPrabhupadaTKP.swf

 

So my final request is that kindly don't be undesired of other vaiShNavAs and

other sampradhAyams. One brick cannot make a big house. It requires joint

effort. For insance shrIlA praBhupAdha was captivated with the beauty of

mukundha mAlA of shrI kula shEkarAzhwAr's and tranlated in English. If at all

he saw shrI vaiShNavam as 'undesirable', why did he got attracted to kula

shEkarAzhwAr and translated and presevered in English? To view the tranlation

of mukundha mAla by kula shEkarAzhwAr, of shrIlA praBhupAdha, kindly visit the

following link: http://mukundamala.com/en

 

I request sorries if any one got hurted. And thanks to Sri Padhmanabha for

bringing the discussion related to the lord.

 

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Though the actions and the procedures of Iskcon and ours look similar and

following their methods look innocous, the philosphy propounded by Sri

RamAnujar is different from that followed by theirs.

 

2. I have been to mAyapur the headquarters of Iskcon and several years back. In

fact, I could get a good veg.food there .

 

3. I would put it this way. It need not be a banished place for us as it is

dedicated to Lord KrshNA. However, it is also not a desired place for us as

they do not follow the footsteps of Sri RamAnuja.

 

Dont you agree?

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

[Guest guest]

harE krShNa! AzhwArgaL thiruvadigaLE sharaNam! jay shrIlA praBhupAdha!

 

Dear Devotee Sri Padmanabhan,

 

Kindly accept my humble obiescances. My reply to your words, follow below in blue colour:

- Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

On 3/4/06, Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

Dear Sri Balaji,

 

Thanks for your prompt reply. I am not hurt by your viewpoint. As putting one's

viewpoint should not hurt others in a forum. //You are right and thanks for

not getting hurt by my statements.

 

Why I told not to jump to conlusions is bcoz of the following

 

1.The point I was trying to make that I have visited iskcon and that you are

glossing over is that, I have visited the places and do not have taboo.

Therefore, with this open mind let us approach the discussion. Yes, you never

told that I never visited iskcon. The point here is having visited iskcon and

in the light taht you should try to understand that per-se , I have an open

mind.

 

2. What I wanted to point out was 'I did not tell undesirable place' which you

have mentioned in two of your mails. that is why Yes, I did say 'not a desired

place'

and have also explained the purport in my second mail. The point again here is

whether 'not desired place' or 'not a desired place' i have clearly explained

that I do not spurn the place. The fact that I have visited these places must

have highlightred that there is no taboo or undesirable nature as have been

perceived as written by me.

Please refer to my message. you have changed the words 'not a desired place' to

'undesirable place' That is why I said do not jump to conclusions. Anyhow,

having explained now you would have understood my views.

 

3. As you have mentioned that SrEvaishNavite sampradhAyam and rAmanuja darsaNam

are ours. Therefore, anyother be it gaudiya or otherwise cannot be followed in

the strictest terms. That is what I meant. //Yes. You necessarily need not

follow all the sampradhAyams and this point has never been brought in to our

discussion, whether to follow other sampradhAyams or not

.. Actually following only one sampradhAyam alone is enough. But if you come in

contact with all vaiShNava schools, you come to know about the great devotees'

histories like lord shiva, shrIlA praBhupAdha, AzhwArs, gOswAmIs, etc. in

depth. I feel really almost nectar-like to hear about every vaiShNava's

history.

 

4. regarding other matters I would like to get more after a few days. However,

my point of view is that, I follow Sri RamAnuja SampradhAyam and anything other

than that will not fall within the strictest of our parameters. //Again the same

above answer. We never brought this topic in to discussion, whether to follow

other sampradhAyams or not.

 

5. Sri kUrathAzvAn was stopped from entering Nam-PerumAL sannidhi on the grounds

that he was a dsiciple of Sri RamAnuja . However, they allowed him as they

opined that he was harmless.

 

Sri KurathAzvan mentioned that the qulaification of being Sri RamAnuja's

disciple is great enough and returned without entering Sri Nam-PerumAL's

sanctum.

What is the relevance of this now? Well, the connection with RamanujA is the

prime criterion and not the connection with Lord KrshnA? //Sometimes our

perumAL wants to show the imporance of AchAryAs through his devotees themselves

like this. One more example is madhurakavi AzhwAr. So in your above sentence, it

boldy indicates that an AchArya must be given more importance. And if you dig

behind the source and ask yourself, "Why an AchArya must be given that much

importance?", you get the basic answer that AchArya is the one who can lead to

shrImannArAyaNar. Or else where comes a question of respecting an AchArya? As

AchArya shows path to the lord, he is given so much importance (because he

takes to the lord). For this I can tell you an example. Consider moon as the

supreme lord. Rockets and all other space-ships are like our AchAryAs. So

without any flying vehicles, one cannot reach the moon. So if you go in search

of rocket, it doesn't mean that moon has less value. After all you are seeking

rocket, only because of moon. So in the same way AchArya is as important as god

in comparison that the AchArya or a devotee is the one who can really take to

the lord. So literally we cannot ignore or differentiate (in importance)

between both moon and rockets or the lord and devotees/AchAryas. So both are

two lines of a single railway track. And both lines must be taken care, if at

all a train needs to run successfully. And finally to conclude, it is all

lord's play through his great devotees, which makes us to realize that AchAryAs

must be given importance strictly.

 

Am I making myself clear? //Almost.

 

thanks and reagards //Thanks a lot once again for raising a discussion topic

related to lord krShNa and vaiShNavAs.

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan //Balaji - The Servant of Devotees!

[Guest guest]

Dear Balaji,

 

YOu may be wondering why I have not yet replied to your message. After visiting

Trichy, I had to be in Hyderabad.

Meanwhile, I was searchign for the book on Iskcon, in my possession which i got

in 1987/88. Due to my professsional preoccupation I am not able to lay hands on

it.

 

Therefore, let me quickly come to my conlcusion. As far as my memory

goes,VaikunTam as per Sri RamAnuja SidhhAntham as propounded by AzvAr-s are a

bit different from that of Iskcon. In Iskcon, the vaikunTam consists of a

replica of VrindhAvan and Sri krshNA embraces the soul. As far as our

sampradhAyam is concerned it is not. We consider that Sriman NAryANA as the

Godhead and Sri KrshNA as our incarnation. There are more such differences

which I have read.

 

Anyhow, the point here is that I do not endorse your views that it is not enough

if one sticks to only his sampradhyam-s but should seek more and more knowledge

with open mind.

 

Yes, I agree there should be open mind. However, I beg to differ as Sri RamAnuja

SampradhAyam offers me more than enough and I have not yet mastered all the

teachings therein to go over to another branches and learn. I am sorry to

confess my failing.

 

The ongoing seminar of SrEvaishNavism at SriRangam includes scholars from these branches also.

 

Yes I get what I deserve as Sri Ramkumar Gopisetty has counselled.

 

'kaiyil kani enna kaNNanai kATTith tharinum -vundhan meyyil piRangiya sEr-anRi vEANDilan yAn'

 

Even if Sri KrshNa is given in a platter , No sir I would prefer Sri RAmAnujA's

physical splendour. That is the pAsuram No. 104 from

RamAnusa NuRRandhAdhi of Sri ThriuvarangathAmudhanAr

 

Thanks. I remain

 

dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan