Guest guest Posted April 24, 2001 Report Share Posted April 24, 2001 VAgarwalV [sMTP:VAgarwalV] skrev 24. april 2001 15:12: >The > so called secular mindset in India refuses to call spade a spade.Lars > has shown this behavior very consistent and I am not the first one to > see a particular behaviorial pattern in him. I hope that you by a "particular behavioral pattern" mean a consistency of ideas. For the record let me state that I am definitely a secularist, although in the European sense of the word. That is: I believe that religious matters belong to the private sphere, not to the sphere of the state. Furthermore, I also believe in religious tolerance, which means that people freely should be able to chose their own religion. It also means that people have a right to promote their beliefs as long as they don't use violence and coercion. (The freedom of religion principle). Furthermore, it is in my opinion utterly futile and destructive to dig back into the remote past to find propaganda material to be used against people living today. However intolerant the Muslims may have been in the past, you are not going to make them more tolerant and flexible by telling them that this is the way they are in essential terms. As I tried to show: rather the contrary. > But to say that the the name of LeT itself is justified by threats of > reconversion to Hinduism is not funny. Considering that LeT will not > suffer one Hindu to live in Pakistan if it has its way. Again: I do not hold Muslim extremists in higher esteem than Hindu dittos. I am not defending the LeT, I just point to a cause and effect pattern which is observable not only in India and Pakistan but also elsewhere in the world. Mutually destructive madness is not an Indian invention. Lars Martin Fosse Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, 0674 Oslo Norway Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) Email: lmfosse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2001 Report Share Posted April 24, 2001 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Lars Martin Fosse wrote: > VAgarwalV [sMTP:VAgarwalV] skrev 24. april 2001 15:12: > >The > > so called secular mindset in India refuses to call spade a spade.Lars > > has shown this behavior very consistent and I am not the first one to > > see a particular behaviorial pattern in him. > > I hope that you by a "particular behavioral pattern" mean a consistency of > ideas. For the record let me state that I am definitely a secularist, > although in the European sense of the word. That is: I believe that > religious matters belong to the private sphere, not to the sphere of the > state. Furthermore, I also believe in religious tolerance, which means that > people freely should be able to chose their own religion. It also means > that people have a right to promote their beliefs as long as they don't use > violence and coercion. (The freedom of religion principle). Furthermore, it > is in my opinion utterly futile and destructive to dig back into the remote > past to find propaganda material to be used against people living today. > However intolerant the Muslims may have been in the past, you are not going > to make them more tolerant and flexible by telling them that this is the > way they are in essential terms. As I tried to show: rather the contrary. > Dear Lars, You have several opinions above. How are they relevant to the list? We must shed any personal opinion to be able to handle ideas from others. Our beliefs are private to us. As scholars we are open to the world minus our beliefs. Vishal might then say "according to secularist Lars". These labels are unnecessary. They are improperly understood and used. we could avoid them in scholarly discussion. I am sorry to pick, but we must make the threshold high. We discuss what we have done, rather than what we believe. Regards, BM > > But to say that the the name of LeT itself is justified by threats of > >reconversion to Hinduism is not funny. Considering that LeT will not > > suffer one Hindu to live in Pakistan if it has its way. > > Again: I do not hold Muslim extremists in higher esteem than Hindu dittos. > I am not defending the LeT, I just point to a cause and effect pattern > which is observable not only in India and Pakistan but also elsewhere in > the world. Mutually destructive madness is not an Indian invention. > > Lars Martin Fosse > > Dr. art. Lars Martin Fosse > Haugerudvn. 76, Leil. 114, > 0674 Oslo > Norway > Phone: +47 22 32 12 19 > Mobile phone: +47 90 91 91 45 > Fax 1: +47 22 32 12 19 > Fax 2: +47 85 02 12 50 (InFax) > Email: lmfosse > > > > > > indology > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 The name is usually transliterated in English as: "Lashkar-e-Taiba" (not Tauba/Taubah) and translated as "Army of the Pure". -- Rohan. Lars Martin Fosse wrote: >> So Lars, do you even know what the name 'Lashkar e Tauba' means?? > >2. I am not sure about your transliteration of "Tauba'" here, but if you >mean "taubah" Lashkar-e-Taubah should mean "The army of conversion" (or >possibly "army of repentance"). This is what you may get when Muslims are >threatened with reconversion to Hinduism. Extremist movements influence >each other and become mirror images of each other. It should not be a very >surprising development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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