Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 Fellow Indologists, Over the past few days we could listen to the sad and shocking news from Nepal, as broadcast (relay of Radio Nepal) by http://www.hbc.com.np/ who normally broadcast Nepali music. The official program is now relayed continously from start to finish : 6:15 pm. EST to next day 2:15 EST. As the period of mourning will continue for some more days, the following program will ensue: * Mostly religious music. Starting in the early morning (6:15 pm. EST) with religious music & texts (mostly, beginnning of the Gita, etc.,) in Sanskrit and Nepali. * Intermittent news in Nepali (9:15 pm. etc.), English, Newari, Hindi, Tamang and Sherpa. There is one 5 min. Sanskrit news bulletin at 8:15 pm. EST. * Various announcements: rebroadcast of the addresses by HM King Gyanendra & prime minister Koirala, suucana against some baseless rumours (such as poisoned drinking water yesterday...), curfew news, etc. ---------- Radio Nepal is also available via: http://www.catmando.com/radionepal/indexnew.html Only certain news broadcasts, and some prerecorded addresses (see above) ----------- For those interested in the (samkSipta) rAjyAbhiSeka ("coronation") : listen to 2 prerecorded accounts in Nepali at: http://www.catmando.com/radionepal/spnews5.ram and /spnews6.ram (It may come as a shock to some that the official language --especially regarding royalty-- of this only remaining Hindu Kingdom abounds in Urdu words, including even the ceremonial verbs used for/by the King) Photo of the coronation ceremony of HM King Gyanendra at the old palace, Nasal Chok, Hanuman Dhoka, Kathmandu: http://dailynews./h/p/ap/20010604/wl/nepal_royal_family_shooting_kat102 ..html The Raj Guru or Raj Purohit is visible on the right (with golden hat). Cf. more photos of the ceremony: http://dailynews./h/p/nm/20010604/wl/imdf04062001064601a.html etc. For a detailed description of the *long* rAjyAbhiSeka ceremony (due next year or so) see: The coronation rituals of Nepal, with special reference to the coronation of King Birendra in 1975. Heritage of the Kathmandu Valley. Proceedings of an International Conference in Lubeck, June 1985. Niels Gutschow, Axel Michaels (eds.). (Nepalica 4, hg. von B. Kolver u. S. Lienhard). St. Augustin (VGH Wissenschaftsverlag) St. Augustin : VGH Wissenschaftsverlag 1987, pp. 417-467 ------------ You can always check all internet Radio and TV stations via: http://www.comfm.com/live/tv// or http://www.live-radio.net/worldwide.shtml ======================================================== Michael Witzel Department of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University 2 Divinity Avenue, Cambridge MA 02138, USA ph. 1- 617-496 2990 (also messages) home page: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm Elect. Journ. of Vedic Studies: http://nautilus.shore.net/~india/ejvs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 INDOLOGY, Michael Witzel <witzel@f...> wrote: > Fellow Indologists, ..... > > For those interested in the (samkSipta) rAjyAbhiSeka ("coronation") : > > listen to 2 prerecorded accounts in Nepali at: > > http://www.catmando.com/radionepal/spnews5.ram and /spnews6.ram > > (It may come as a shock to some that the official language > especially regarding royalty-- of this only remaining Hindu > Kingdom abounds in Urdu words, including even the ceremonial > verbs used for/by the King) Why should it come as a shock ? It is common knowledge that the royal classes of India, with few exceptions, were a support of the Islamicate, and later, the British rule. You are free to interpret the abolition of royalty and their privy purses by PM Indira Gandhi as yet another Hindutva scheme. -Arun Gupta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 M. Witzel is so right. A few more words on the issues raised by him below: *After the Nepal-British war of 1814-1816 the boundaries of Nepal were reduced to those, which exist today. An important clause of the 1816 treaty established a British Resident in Kathmandu only. The British Resident could not go to the court or to the government without an explicit invitation, and on official occasions he was invited *after* the other members of the family of the king and the Ranas family, and long after the Royal Preceptor and most probably the purohita (see e.g. the Nepali diary by the Royal Preceptor on the occasion of the birth of King Tribhuvan on July 17, 1907, when a baggi was sent to pick up the Resident -- et passim) The British government would have controlled all Nepal if the Hindu "super orthodox" Ranas would have not taken over the administration at the moment when the country was governed through six parties, in 1847. Despite the despotic Ranas' Regime, as many historians later underlined (the fierce Ranas' opponent Dilli R. Regmi, the well known American historian Leo Rose, just to give 2 examples), the Ranas maintained the unity and the political independence of the country from British. This is a well known fact and something for which all Nepali people are proud of, nowadays. *The Muluk-i ain introduced by Jang Bahadur was so strongly Hindu that it was explicitly stated that punishment should be determined both on the basis of the nature of the offense, and of the caste of the offender. This was observed in the Praja Parisad affair of 1940 when only the non-Brahmins among the leaders were condemned to death penalty. *The influence of Persians and Urdu words in the court/ administrative language comes far back. Local chronicles underline the figure of Dravya Shah, son of the Lamjung king, who is said to have conquered Gorkha in 1559. He is said to have been a descendant of the Rajput princes of Chittorgarh when the town was attacked and destroyed by Ala-ud-din. Prithvi Narayan Shah (who reigned in 1747-1774(5?)) started the eastward expansion of the small Gorkha kingdom, and initiated the process of unification of the whole Nepal. He was a descendant of Dravya Shah. Dravya is the first of the Shah dinasty (from which late King Birendra belongs to). Jang Bahadur -- the PM who took over the power in 1856/7 and started the despotic power of the Rana family -- adopted the name Rana to demonstrate his (untrue) claim to descent from the famous Rana rulers of Udaipur. The family therefore assumed the princely status necessary for intermarriage with Shah family and lately adpoted also the Persian surname Shamsher. So, again, as M. Witzel wrote, "Perso-Arabic (Urdu)" influence *not by conquest but by choice*. *As for the English language: Chandra Shamsher Rana, the powerful PM who (despotically) governed Nepal in 1863-1929 finished the "Entrance" English examination from Calcutta University and when in 1908 he visited England did not need an interpreter. Only the Director of the Sanskrit Education in Nepal was formally forbidden to study English, which was considered important as a language useful to read books (by Chandra) and, of course, to talk with the British Resident. But people did not know it, being the country totally close to foreigners and people illiterate (out of Ranas' choise), and the Royal Preceptor and personal adviser of Chandra did not know English at all (scholars used to write to him in Sanskrit). The common idea on English language was: civilizations can be expressed by/in any language. Chandra maintained so strongly the independence from British (and English) though that when was in England, he was asked about the status of communications in Nepal, he replied: "In Nepal we are not building roads since this would allowed foreigners to come and invade us." Point is that most of the intelligentsia started studying outside of South Asia after the revolution, first in England and nowadays in the USA. This is due to trade and to cultural reification (to use Marx's concept) that need a common language. What is the most common language nowadays in commerce, computer, films, TV and so on? English. No tribute to the British Empire here. *As for the Christian/Catholic situation in Nepal, the country, though Hindu, guarantees a *real* freedom of religion and several Class B and C Ranas even before the revolution went to Catholic schools. Capuchins are present in Nepal since Father Francesco Orazio della Penna (1680-1745), a Capuchin missionary and Prefect of the Tibetan Mission, who died in Patan. (see P. M. D'Elia, S.I., Fonti Ricciane, 3 vols, Roma 1942-1949). After the Revolution, a Jesuit school was set up in Kathmandu (on condition that no conversions to Christianity would be made). The Royal Preceptor, a strictly orthodox and Sanskrit speaking Hindu, wanted to send his eldest grand-son to that school (!) at the condition that the child could still remain a Brahmin, and the master of the school (Father Moran) said that inside the school everybody had to be initiated to Christianity: This is not the place for moral judgments (there are so many already in Indology!) but it looks fair to me as a person since the Jesuit school is a private one and all over the world, if you want to send your children to a private school, is understood that you choose and accept the rules of that school. It's a choice, not an imposition. Jesuits in Nepal are respected and can teach their religion *inside* their schools *only*, people are free to send their children there or to the many other (public and private) schools present in Kathmandu! Is it so scandalous to admit that Jesuit schools usually give an excellent (Western) education and many members of the royal family chose to be educated there (in several cases, remaining Hindu)? Westerner education is the standard education nowadays (Der Untergang des Abenlandes by O.S. in 1918 docet!) Nepali people in Kathmandu don't feel invaded by missionaries by accepting those schools, on the contrary, they think they are excellent and if you go there you don't necessarily need to convert to Christianity. Best -- enrica -- Dr. Enrica Garzilli University of Macerata, Italy Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Tantric Studies Journ. of South Asia Women Studies http://www.asiatica.org ********************************************************** Michael Witzel wrote: > * Nepal was and continues to be a fiercely independent Hindu kingdom. It > never was under the British, nor under the Moghuls. Nor anybody else (if we > forget a 3-week(!) invasion by the Sultan's forces in c. 1347 and a > largely unclear situation with regard to the Tibetan empire for some time > in the 8th c.). > * The laws ("muluk-i ain" !!), first codified in Nepali after 1850 by the > Rana regime, were fiercely Hindu. (Even now you are "awarded" 12 years in > jail for killing a cow).... >* In spite of all of this, the court / administrative language is highly >influenced by Perso-Arabic (Urdu) words: mausuf sarkaar ko hukum >bamojim... ityaadi >Not by conquest but by choice. Certainly not as "support of the Islamicate, >and later, the British rule"; on the contrary, they were a thorn in the >side of both empires. >...has no official status in Nepal at all.) Its increase now is a sign of >globalization. And, incidentally, not due to British/Indian influence. No >Indian English in Nepal. Most of the intellgentsia have studied outside of >South Asia after the first democratization in 1950. ......... >(1) about the study of some Royals in some Christian-run schools: >Perhaps people do not know that even in the new democratic constitution >(1990) freedom of religion is guaranteed but that trying to convert someone >is forbidden. (The Christian wife of a former prime minister was not >allowed then to appear in public functions!) >But again, differently from the present cultural wars in India, note that >Nepal was & is confident enough with its Hinduism (and Buddhism, local >tribal religions, Islam!) to tolerate Christian schools and sending their >best people there -- no fear of "loosing out" to Christianity. I myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 On Fri 8 Jun 2001, Michael Witzel <witzel quoth: >I am afraid, a too simple view of medieval / recent history: > Indeed. > > >Well before the Moghuls we have a strong, (archaic) Nepali-speaking >(inscriptions, copper plates!) Malla kingdom in W. Nepal and in the adjoing >areas of W. Tibet (12-13th century, see already G. Tucci). This was >followed by the small 22/24 "kingdoms". Gorkha is just one of them. Its >history can be read in English in Father Miller's (SJ!) book. (These >Jesuits do research after their term of teaching is over). Hrm. True, and yet not true. (from a previous posting:) >* Nepal was and continues to be a fiercely independent Hindu kingdom. If you mean after 1768/9, then yes; but otherwise, no. The Western Mallas were, up to the time of the Dullu inscription or thereabouts, Vajrayana Buddhists with Hevajra as their kuladevata. They produce inscriptions in Sanskrit, early Nepali and Tibetan. Sometime thereafter they become Saiva. Claiming them as a source of unbroken Hinduism would be a mistake, at least before the end of the 14th century, although they are certainly among the forerunners of the modern Gorkha monarchy. As to Nepal, that is, the Newar region centred around the cluster of city-states in the Kathmandu Valley, it was not much of a unified or Hindu kingdom until the advent of the Gorkhas. Even in Jayayaksamalla's reign (described by Petech, among others, as the zenith of the 'unified' Malla kingdom, centred in Bhaktapur) that king was indeed powerful, but he apparently did not control Lalitpur, where the local oligarchy (which incidentally appears to preserve Himalayan, rather than Indian, political structures) still controlled the land, patronage and resources. Jayayaksamalla, not unusually for a Newar king, kept a Vajrayana court priest (who was from Bengal and preferred to live and teach in a monastery granted him by the Lalitpur oligarchs) and performed Vaisnava vratas as well as maintaining his allegiance to the family Saiva/Sakta kuladevata. Lalitpur became for a time (in c17) the last example of an Indic Vajrayana kingdom, comparable to the earlier Western Mallas, the Palas or some of the Southeast Asia states. The ritual framework appears to have been very similar to that for Brahminical Indic states, such as Bhaktapur just across the valley or the modern Gorkha state as M. Witzel has carefully documented it; but the royal kuladevata and ideology were Vajrayana. And as to 'Sanskritization': Sanskritization, as the term is applied to Nepal, seems to me a very blunt instrument. The Maithili Brahmins who came in with Jayasthiti's court seem to have carried a drastically simplified view on what was 'Sanskritic'. 200 years before, the king in Mithila sought someone to fill the job of Buddhist royal priest, and this sort of religious eclecticism seems to have been common practice after the Palas - the Western Mallas did a fine job of supporting Saiva cult sites. But perhaps because their understanding of what was properly Indian or Sanskritic had narrowed, understandably, in response to their political situation, the 14th century Maithili Brahmins who came into the Kathmandu Valley no longer saw Vajrayana as a legitimately Indian religion and consequently imposed a rather foreign division of religions on the court. Is this 'Sanskritization'? We would have to use the same term to describe the process, complete before 1000, whereby local monsoon rituals were absorbed into the Vajrayana cult of Amoghapasa; but these Maithili Brahmins would have excluded those same rituals as part of their defense of 'orthodox' Sanskritic culture. Of course, until the late 18th century the majority of the population in the valley were Buddhist, and their scholars produced significant original Sanskrit texts well into the 18th century... -W. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Will Douglas Oriental Institute, Oxford University. <will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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