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INDOLOGY, gm@A... wrote:

I didnt mean to get you in trouble with Witzel.

What is needed here is honesty, not political action. A single

sentence of clarification in his webpage will do.

 

They also collaborate who sit silently as their field is being

abused.

 

> It's not about stopping Neo-Nazis using this or that symbol.

> It's about stopping the Neo-Nazis. Full stop.

> And that is a citizen's duty for which nobody has to

> stand up more than anybody else in particular.

>

> And could you please stop asking Prof. Witzel

> or anybody else for political action on an Indological

> list. There are millions of causes that are as urgent

> as the use of symbols.

> And the fact that Prof. Witzel kindly gives so much

> of his time to share his knowledge on this list with

> the rest of us should not be held against him.

>

> I am discontinuing on this topic, if you don't mind.

>

> aishwaryannamboodiri wrote:

>

> > You are correct, we all have that responsibility. Yet, Witzel

has a

> > special role as did Thieme in an earlier generation: they are

solid

> > scholars who rose to the level of being spokesmen for a field.

When

> > symbols and words that acquired a

> > academic respectability because of their work

> > are being abused they have a

> > higher responsibility than an ordinary citizen, they have a

special

> > responsibility to correct the public record. This is the flip-

side of

> > academic freedom.

> >

> > Scholarship without moral education and courage

> > is truly dangerous- as the abuse of Indology in Germany so

clearly

> > shows.

> >

> > From the lack of a reference in your reply I assume that

> > Witzel has been silent on the issue. Is there any one at all in

the

> > field who has stood up?

> >

> > INDOLOGY, gm@A... wrote:

> > > I don't think Indologists like Prof. Witzel have a singular

moral

> > > responsibility for preventing Neo-Nazis using any symbols.

> > > You do, too.

> > >

> > > aishwaryannamboodiri wrote:

> > >

> > > > It is not sufficient ( as you so graciously did) to

acknowledge that

> > > > some Indologists -like other academics-

> > > > collaborated . You have to name names: who were

> > > > they? It is necessary to see how the field was affected by

its Nazi

> > > > association and to see if there are remnants of racism still

left in

> > > > the field. Instances of resistance are also valuable. (

Another poster

> > > > mentioned a scholar who resisted the use of the Swastika by

the

> > > > Nazis. )For example, how did Thieme resist the abuse of

Indology?

> > > > What is Witzel doing currently to prevent the ongoing abuse

of Aryan

> > > > symbolism by the Neo-Nazis?

> > > >

> > > > Academics have the right to hold unpopular opinions, even

those that

> > > > could be used to justify genocide. The credibility of the

discipline

> > > > will only be enhanced by acknowledging the mistakes of its

past. The

> > > > Kurt Waldheim episode is instructive: it was his inability to

> > > > acknowledge his Military service that brought him such ill-

repute.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps a conference on " The Abuses of the Aryan Myth "

would be a

> > > > good idea.

> > > > By the way what do you think of the book

> > > > " The Aryan Myth: A History of Racist and Nationalist Ideas

in Europe"

> > > > by Poliakov, ( London, Heineman 1974)?

> > > >

> > > > INDOLOGY, gm@A... wrote:

> > > > > The so-called swastika is an old symbol found in many

> > > > > cultures, not just Indo-European ones. In many cases it is

> > > > > interpreted as a sun symbol, or more abstractly as

> > > > > an auspicious sign. The direction of the rotation

> > > > > varies, as do other aspects of the shape.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, the Nazis hijacked a version of it for

> > > > > their own ends.

> > > > >

> > > > > Indologists who had Nazi affiliations: sad chapter in

> > > > > our history--not just Indologists but academia at large

> > > > > underwent a traumatic period, and unfortunately not

> > > > > just Indology but all other disciplines had their huge

> > > > > share of Nazism. Nazism was a system that went

> > > > > to great lengths and great detail in terms of social

> > > > > control. Their control over the academic system was

> > > > > extremely tight and policed increasingly rigidly.

> > > > > A "wrong word" said in private could result in

> > > > > deportation and death. There were even Nazi student

> > > > > organisations who "helped" police the professors!

> > > > >

> > > > > European gypsies who to this day speak Indic languages

> > > > > were relentlessly persecuted by the Nazis.

> > > > > The Nazi machine, while singling out Jews specially,

> > > > > actually persecuted not just along "Aryan" lines (they

> > > > > had their own perverted idea of what "Aryan" meant), but

> > > > > whoever they felt was hampering their perverted

> > > > > cause. The mass murder they caused in Europe killed

> > > > > more Indo-Europeans world-wide than all previous wars

> > > > > in history taken together. No matter what their propaganda

> > > > > machine was spreading, the effect on Indo-Europeans

> > > > > and non-Indo-Europeans alike was totally catastrophic.

> > > > > This was the case not just for all the IE-speaking nations

> > > > > of Europe on whom the Nazis declared war, but also

internally

> > > > > in Germany itself. The concentration camps were full

> > > > > of political opponents, members of religious communities,

> > > > > individuals who refused to cooperate, and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's talk of something less depressing...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > aishwaryannamboodiri wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Is there a study of the connection of Indology to the

rise of

> > Nazism

> > > > > > in any reputable academic journal? e.g., why did the Nazis

> > reverse the

> > > > > > Swastika sign when they adopted it as their party emblem?

Were

> > any of

> > > > > > the Indologists of the time sympathizers of the Nazi

cause?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > indology-

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your use of is subject to

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > indology-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> >

> >

> > indology-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

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