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George Thompson wrote:

 

> Dear List,

>

> I have learned from sad experience that discussing almost anything on this

> list is like walking into a deep dark swamp. I no longer go there.

>

> The suggestion that I have a religious bias against Hindus is absurd.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> George Thompson

>>>

 

Dr. Thompson, please do not let the noise level prevent you from speaking.

Those who see religious bigotry in your postings obviously are looking

through filters of their own. If you refrain from speaking, that filtered

view of things becomes the norm. Worse, if you let an attack dissuade

you from speaking, others who are more shy or have more to lose may

likewise keep their silence.

 

It is through these interactions that the "rules" or customs of public

debate in this forum are being established. It is necessary that those who

believe in free speech not let themselves be silenced, or the loudest and

most aggressive will rule. Those of us who have the liberty to be unafraid

should never give up on public debate, but should answer unreason with

reason with relentless courtesy. It is your own freedom of speech and

perspective you are defending.

 

On the whole, this new open-to-all "no rules" forum has been working, I

think. The recent spate of intemperance is correcting itself, as others

have previously, by responses challenging or informing the factual premises

of the writers' opinions and/or the manner in which their ideas were

expressed. Dr. Thompson, your response is part of the checks and balances

that keeps discussion flowing freely.

 

That said, I do think the academics having been getting the short end of the

stick on this list lately in that political topics seriously outnumber

academic topics, which are languishing.

 

Why? Maybe because political issues are naturally more inflammatory than

academic issues, as a wildly hypothetical general rule. People speak up

more often and more loudly about the issues that hit nearest home, which

usually means the issue is also political. Also, I would guess those who

have no taste for being flamed have to steer clear of too many academic

subjects lest they draw fire. Like war, Indology may be too important

these days to be left to Indologists, but those of us who are observing

do need to give them more room to do their work, I think.

 

I propose that the forum divide its discussions between two chambers,

Indology-A and Indology-B.

 

Everyone would be a member of both, able to read both, but only academics of

suitable provenance would be permitted to post in the academic chamber, let

us say Indology-A. It would also be limited to classical Indology, i.e.,

no politics or current events, unless posted by a person with posting

privileges. Everyone else would continue to eavesdrop and to be able to

comment publicly in Indology-B on anything posted in Indology-A, as well as

to discuss other matters of interest. Hopefully, the academic community

would continue to represent itself in both chambers.

 

Some like to read their mail and chat over a cup of tea or coffee in the

morning without rude interruptions. Others enjoy a vigorous common room or

after-dinner debate. The mistake is trying to do both simultaneously.

Let's post purely academic messages in Indology-A (morning coffee in the

office), and restrict other matters to Indology-B (faculty lounge or common

room).

 

If this idea receives favor, I trust the powers-that-be will reserve the

additional forum names.

 

imho,

 

David

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I have a small suggestion to add:

Perhaps, Indology-A and Indology-B is a good idea.

Anyone can post in A and/or B, But in Indology-A,

professional Indologists write mostly.

 

In Indology-A list, the Indology-on-the-net

Founder, Dr. D. Wujastyk or a committee of Sanskritists

(say, profs. Witzel, Aklujkar, Deshpande, ...) can terminate

some one's posting priveleges if they so decide.

 

Regards,

N. Ganesan

 

INDOLOGY, "David Salmon" <dsalmon@s...> wrote:

[...]

> On the whole, this new open-to-all "no rules" forum has been working, I

> think. The recent spate of intemperance is correcting itself, as others

> have previously, by responses challenging or informing the factual

premises

> of the writers' opinions and/or the manner in which their ideas were

> expressed. Dr. Thompson, your response is part of the checks and balances

> that keeps discussion flowing freely.

>

> That said, I do think the academics having been getting the short end of

the

> stick on this list lately in that political topics seriously outnumber

> academic topics, which are languishing.

>

> Why? Maybe because political issues are naturally more inflammatory

than

> academic issues, as a wildly hypothetical general rule. People speak up

> more often and more loudly about the issues that hit nearest home, which

> usually means the issue is also political. Also, I would guess those who

> have no taste for being flamed have to steer clear of too many academic

> subjects lest they draw fire. Like war, Indology may be too important

> these days to be left to Indologists, but those of us who are observing

> do need to give them more room to do their work, I think.

>

> I propose that the forum divide its discussions between two chambers,

> Indology-A and Indology-B.

>

> Everyone would be a member of both, able to read both, but only academics

of

> suitable provenance would be permitted to post in the academic chamber,

let

> us say Indology-A. It would also be limited to classical Indology, i.e.,

> no politics or current events, unless posted by a person with posting

> privileges. Everyone else would continue to eavesdrop and to be able to

> comment publicly in Indology-B on anything posted in Indology-A, as well

as

> to discuss other matters of interest. Hopefully, the academic community

> would continue to represent itself in both chambers.

>

> Some like to read their mail and chat over a cup of tea or coffee in the

> morning without rude interruptions. Others enjoy a vigorous common room

or

> after-dinner debate. The mistake is trying to do both simultaneously.

> Let's post purely academic messages in Indology-A (morning coffee in the

> office), and restrict other matters to Indology-B (faculty lounge or

common

> room).

>

> If this idea receives favor, I trust the powers-that-be will reserve the

> additional forum names.

>

> imho,

>

> David

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I have reserved the names Y-Indology-A and Y-Indology-B and will turn them

over to anyone the list designates. The A list is currently set to require

a moderator, but that can be changed.

 

Does the list want this? If so, on what basis?

 

David

 

naga_ganesan wrote:

 

> >>

> I have a small suggestion to add:

> Perhaps, Indology-A and Indology-B is a good idea.

> Anyone can post in A and/or B, But in Indology-A,

> professional Indologists write mostly.

>

> In Indology-A list, the Indology-on-the-net

> Founder, Dr. D. Wujastyk or a committee of Sanskritists

> (say, profs. Witzel, Aklujkar, Deshpande, ...) can terminate

> some one's posting priveleges if they so decide.

>

> Regards,

> N. Ganesan

>

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INDOLOGY, "David Salmon" <dsalmon@s...> wrote:

> I have reserved the names Y-Indology-A and Y-Indology-B and will

turn them> over to anyone the list designates. The A list is

currently set to require> a moderator, but that can be changed.

>

> Does the list want this? If so, on what basis?

 

David, no need to reserve. You have already activated the list. It

takes just a minute for anyone to start an egroup; choose complex

names with too many hyphens.

 

One more suggestion; also reserve, Indology D to provide for automatic

translations in all languages of Bha_rata for the poor Bha_rati_yas

who have been denied the knowledge of German, thanks to Macaulay's

education system. I doubt if babelfish.altavist.com translates into

Kannad.a or Telugu or Hindi or Nepali or Pus.t.o or Sinhala or Mun.d.a

or Kon:kan.i

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Who denied me -my- knowledge of German? Who denied -you- your knowledge of

German? Are you going to go on letting Macaulay keep you from studying

German for the rest of your life?

 

I prefer Dr. Ganesan's structure. Dr. Mueller prefers invitation only.

Will the Indologists kindly organize themselves in order to superintend the

academic side? Is there an Indologist volunteer, any volunteer? Preferably

a group of five representing the spectrum. Nominees??

 

The AB groups are not being monitored and have no members. I will close

them in a month if the group doesn't want them. Do you not like hyphens?

Any practical suggestions?

 

David

 

 

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"S.Kalyanaraman" <kalyan97

<INDOLOGY>

Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:14 AM

[Y-Indology] Re: an appeal, and a proposal

 

 

> INDOLOGY, "David Salmon" <dsalmon@s...> wrote:

> > I have reserved the names Y-Indology-A and Y-Indology-B and will

> turn them> over to anyone the list designates. The A list is

> currently set to require> a moderator, but that can be changed.

> >

> > Does the list want this? If so, on what basis?

>

> David, no need to reserve. You have already activated the list. It

> takes just a minute for anyone to start an egroup; choose complex

> names with too many hyphens.

>

> One more suggestion; also reserve, Indology D to provide for automatic

> translations in all languages of Bha_rata for the poor Bha_rati_yas

> who have been denied the knowledge of German, thanks to Macaulay's

> education system. I doubt if babelfish.altavist.com translates into

> Kannad.a or Telugu or Hindi or Nepali or Pus.t.o or Sinhala or Mun.d.a

> or Kon:kan.i

>

>

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INDOLOGY, "David Salmon" <dsalmon@s...> wrote:

> Who denied me -my- knowledge of German? Who denied -you- your

knowledge of> German? Are you going to go on letting Macaulay keep

you from studying> German for the rest of your life?

>

> I prefer Dr. Ganesan's structure. Dr. Mueller prefers invitation

only.> Will the Indologists kindly organize themselves in order to

superintend the> academic side? Is there an Indologist volunteer, any

volunteer? Preferably> a group of five representing the spectrum.

Nominees??>

> The AB groups are not being monitored and have no members. I will

close> them in a month if the group doesn't want them. Do you not

like hyphens?> Any practical suggestions?

 

Good luck, David with your German and the new AB groups. More power to

you! [i will spare you my Telugu, until a babelfish auto-translator

becomes available for this beautiful language].

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