Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 A number of subjects currently on this forum are related, and can be better understood when incorporated into broader, more interdisciplinary studies. Information from a variety of disciplines may quickly validate or disprove an idea. Thus I have subjected my linguistic work in cognate Deity Names and religious terms etc. to rigorous cross-verification in other disciplines. For example, 1) Kouros Helios and Rhoda as Krishna and Radha A Linguistic analysis of Their Names and scores of By- Names. B Study of the history and theology of Heliopoli- tan Monotheism C Textual, museum and on-site survey of related icons and symbols, including monumental and miniature, (on coins, personal and state seals, amulets, foundation deposits etc.) D Comparison of legends, myths, religious texts, poetry, plays, sacred arts, philosophy, math, medicine, time keeping and astrology, ritual, sacramental social order, sacred architecture etc. E Study of Radha-Krishna centric Vaishnavism, to the extent of becoming recogized as an expert (siksha master) in the tradition. Thus, when I say that Kouros Helios is Krishna, and Kore Rhoda is Radha, I am not speculating. I am 100% certain of the historical and theological identification, because evidence from the above disciplines has confirmed it. In the same way I have confirmed the cross-cultural connections between Semitic ELI-YAHU-ADON worship, Afro-Egyptian HERI-ASU-ATUM worship, Greek HELI-US-ONTOS (AUTOS, ATOMOS) and Indian HARI-VASU-ATMA worship. The Pure Land Buddhist Trikaya of HRIH and the Catholic Trinity are both related to this ancient trinitarian monotheism of the Transcendent, Incarnating and Immanent Godhead. I am not a student of the Nostratic Theorists, but I do advocate a broader and deeper (time-wise) comparison of languages, along with a similar approach in the other disciplines. How will we know if there are connections if no one ever looks? Prejudice is the enemy of truth. We must not reject contributions from perspectives we have not anticipated or developed, simply because they differ from our own. People of great integrity can have varied perspectives with equally valid insights. This is why interdisciplinary cross-pollination can be so valuable. The Nostratic Theorists have stepped outside the old boundries to take a broader and deeper, more wholistic look at the development of language in general. In doing so, they have compared African, Semitic, Indo-European, Dravidian, Amerindian and other Languages. When I invoke the term 'Nostratic' regarding my own work, I do so because my own independant, interdisciplinary studies have 100% proved to me (when I had no preconception of what I would find) that there are Deity Names and other religious terms which can be found in the above so-called 'Nostratic' Superfamily. I can find no evidence of late borrowing to account for the presence of these names, so I must conclude that they have great time depth, and represent a belief system that predated the isolation and gene-pooling, and linguistic differentiation of the Indo-European, African, Semitic and other groups. I have recommended a broader study of 'Aryan' because in my global study of Salvific Monotheism, I have consistantly encountered a Name of the Supreme Father God, which has either an R or L in it, and most often a first sound which is clearly an aspirate H, hardened, softened, or yielded to an initial vowel sound. In many places, the people of this Deity are identified by His Name with a suffix meaning 'of-from-(or)-related-to' . In the context of this non-Sanskrit evidence, the term ARYA or 'Aryan' is clearly one of these religious terms of identification. ' Aryan', in its local and restricted time-frame/ periodic use, may be ethnically associated (as per N. Ganesan's reply to me about Tamil Literature). However, if we step back far enough to get the larger global picture, we can see that in THAT context, the 'Aryas' are not a single separated race or linguistic group. This certainly changes the parameters of the 'Aryan Homeland' debate. It is a paradigm shift which also accomodates recent advances in African and Semitic Studies. If there were African, Semitic and Indo-European Indigenous 'Aryans', then the ethno-centric 'master race' theorists, in all three groups, will have difficulty explaining their way out of the obvious conclusion. Humanity is one race, with one 'Father' God. We have a shared primal genetic, linguistic and 'spiritual' heritage. It is time to stop our short-sighted, myopic fixation with topics which divide us. Our local and specific studies should be integrated into the larger global and general fund of knowledge, so we aren't continually re-inventing the wheel. Indologists, Semiticists, and Black Studies scholars need to look at each others' evidence. For example, thousands of seals, amulets, coins etc. have been found and painstakingly catalogued and analyzed by Greek Scholars, Semiticists and Egyptologists. There is an excellent collection of ancient Near Eastern miniature art at the University of Fribourg's Biblical Institute in Switzerland. What does this have to do with the aryans, Indology, Linguistic Superfamilies, Skanda as Brahma (post # 985), the vajra of Zeus-Chronus (Jupiter Fulgar # 963) or the R / L shift and a myriad other things? The answer is, the region was a cross-road between Africa, Europe and the East. Civilization has been continuous there for thousands of years. Jericho, for instance, is one of the oldest cities on Earth. If we look at the linguistic and iconographic evidence in this collection of miniatures, it becomes obvious that the Jews shared a single symbol system with the HERI-ASU worshiping Egyptians, other ELI-YAHU-BAAL worshiping Semites and the Helios worshiping Europeans. In fact, having studied Vaishnava, Shaivite, Shakti and Mahayana Buddhist Murtis and symbols, I can immediately recognize their equivalents in the inter-racial Heliopolitan symbol system. Any Indologist who has studied what I have would easily recognize these icons, symbols and even the Deity Names which are associated with them. For example, the Lion-headed Form of God is very prominent in Egypt and appears on Jewish miniatures as late as the Maccabean Era. This Lion-headed wrathful Form of Eli-Yahu as Time is ARYEH in Hebrew, and the Lion-headed wrathful Form of Hari-Vasu is HARYEH in Vaishnava litanies (like the 108 Names) of Krishna as Kalah Nara Hari. Helios (ELI-Yahu) Phanes appears sitting cross-legged on the primal lotus which has arisen from MZRYM (NHL, NHR, NHRYN =NARA-NARAYANA ) in the primordial waters before creation. Phanes has 4 heads and arms and speaks creation (Memphite Heri-Asu-Ptah theology). Obviously this is Brahma from Narayana Vishnu. The recent INDOLOGY posts about Sumerian civilization can be answered by reference to the ancient Semitic Name for the entire Mesopotamian Region. It was NHRYN which is usually given as NAHARAIM from the Hebrew, and explained as 'from the waters', meaning the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. However, the NHL /Nile was considered to descend from the foot of the Lord, and the Nile civilization was called MZRYM. Of course the Ganga flows from the foot of NARAYAN and Narayana is often interpreted as meaning 'of the waters'. Nilus / MZRYM in Rome was associated with Jupiter MARIMUS and 'Father Tibur'. Marimus and Juno Marina are Narayana and Narayani. The Jews also believed in the sacred river descending from the foot of the Lord (see New Testament Apocalypse / Revelation of John). The Jews' sacred Jordan ('Descender') River flowed from that mountains they called the mountains of NHRYM (in Lebanon). We just celebrated Maha Kumbha Mela, but this bathing in the sacred river of Narayana / Naharaim / Mzrym (to wash away sins), was another one of those HR / EL / HARI related universal practices. River-basin agricultural civilizations globally shared common features linking them to the worship of Narayana and Narayani. The related HERI doctrines of PR ATUM and PR AMUN at Heliopolis and Thebes are clearly the doctrines of the all-pervasive Param Atma and Brahman. 'Self' and 'Being' words in Greek and the Egyptian-Hebrew Deity Name ADON-YAHU are all ATUM / Atma related. The DJE DJE NTR 'Pillar' Form of HERI-ASU / Eli-Yahu ( also found on Jewish seals etc.) is clearly Jagganath, the Virata Rupa, or Cosmic Purusha Form of Vishnu worshiped in Puri. Elements of His Brahman Daru and Nara Hari (from the pillar) stories are found throughout North Africa and the Mediterranean region. The late Coptic use of NOUTI (Lord) proves that the earlier Egyptian form of the word is related to the Sanskrit Natha (Lord). ASU in North Egypt is WASU in the South and YAHU in Israel and Judea. This is Hari's Name Vasu. in fact, the form TOBA-YAHU is Vasu-deva reversed. Tob (Tov) and Deva both mean good or beneficent. Yahu / Vasu is related to the masculine word for GOD-WHO-IS. IS, ESSE, YESHI, OUSIOS, YA, YAHU, A, AHU, USH, ASU and WASU are all related 'Being' names. ASU is also called ASAR in North Egypt. I have traced His worship into the following Hebrew ELI-AZAR , AZAR-YAHU Babylon MARDUK ASARU Assyria ASSHUR (Nineveh) Greek OSIRIS Iranian AHURA Vedic Name of Vishnu ASHURA So, here again we see African, Semitic and Indo-European cognate Deity Names. When the symbols, doctrines, rites etc. confirm these aparent linguistic connections, it is no longer a speculation based on linguistic rules. Jewish and Christian scholars do not know what to make of their own mounting evidence connecting their ONE GOD to many 'other deities' among the Africans and Indo-Europeans. Not understanding the emanation and incarnation of Hari or Hara, they fear to discover that their ELI-EL was just another god among gods. They are collectively in a major 'denial'. They have not understood the relationship of the Semitic ELI to the Afro-Egyptian HERI, the HURRI of Haran, or ILU of Bab-Ilu (Babylon). Unless Indologists and experts in 'Hinduism' get into the discussion, they will take forever to figure it out. Meanwhile humanity is bifurcated between the 'Abrahamic Traditions of the One True God' and the 'Polytheistic traditions of the ancient world and Asia'. We cannot wait too long for the truth that will set us free from this artificially constructed alienation in the consciousness of our race. Similarly, Indologists will never arrive at the whole truth about the 'Aryans' until they start considering the extra-Indo-European evidence. Begin with the question 'What is the Name, or one of the principal Names, of the Supreme Father God of any people ? Especially look for Love, Heart, Whole, Heal, Circle, Courage, Hero, Virtue, Nobility (collective and individual titles of respect), Cycle / Kyklos / Chakra / Time, Solar, Lion, Eagle / Hawk, (color) Gold or Yellow, and Origin, Horizon, Ouranos / Heaven, Hand / Creator and Corona / Halo, Light or Ray connections. With just this beginning a pattern will emerge with simple R or L Names which are frequently also compounded with the equally universal ASU, YAHU or VASU (BEING) Name. An example of the universality of the R / L Name is given below. The Nostratic Super-family postulates a common origin of these languages (great time depth). With or without that field, (I worked for decades on this before I ever heard the word 'Nostratic'), there is clearly a connection, which I have verified with extensive interdisciplinary investigation. Nilo-Saharan HR (HERU, HERI, HOR etc.) or RA Niger Family OLU, ORI, ALE etc. Hebrew & West Semitic ELI, EL, ARI, OR / UR, HUR etc. Sumerian ILU Mitanni HURRI Greek HELI Latin SOLE All Indo-European Love, Lover and Beloved words based on the root HAR or QAR All words for the HEART, CORE or Center like KARDIA Iranian HVARE, ZER, also in names like CYRUS etc. Sanskrit HARI, HARA, SURA, AR, KARA, CHARU etc. Related to the above compare Hebrew ELYM and ELOHIM, HURRIAN, SYRIAN, HELLENE, SOLAN, ERIN, HRYM, HVARENA, SURAGANA, HARYANA / HARIJANA, and 'ARYAN'. The agricultural / civilized and later nobility of African, Semitic and Indo-European cultures had related titles associated with the R /L Deity Name. The pictographic writing of Egypt is a key to unlock the Nama Rupa Theology between Heri's Names and Forms. Thus, in Egypt for thousands of years, the so-called 'solar' circle glyph was read / had the phonetic value of HR. The Hawk, Eagle or Lion, and Gold were also 'determinitives' for HR / HERI. These same symbols (like Hari's or Hara's astras, asanas and vahanas etc.) were all used for ELI on West Semitic, including Jewish artifacts. As the mount / vahana of Eli /HR, the giant Egyptian Cobra was called SERAPH or NACHASH in Hebrew and SESHA in Egypt. He was the 'un-ending Serpent of Eternity / Infinity frequently seen coiled about the Lion-Headed Form of God as Time. This is Hari's Cobra Vahana Ananta Sesha Sarpa Naga. SERAPH=SARPA, SESHA=SESHA, NACHASH=NAGA. All these assertions can be checked against related doctrines, icons, practices, 'myths' etc. For Example, the lost city of IR NACHASH is called the 'city of the mystical serpent' (compare Naga-Pur), and there is now general agreement between scholars of Judaism, that a 'SERAPH' is indeed the Egyptian Cobra or Winged Cobra, who is the covering or mount of God on Jewish seals and protective amulets. Ananta Sesha Naga is the Asana or Vahana of Hari. In fact, as the Serpent of Infinity holding His tail, He has been identified with OCEANOS holding up the worlds, and thus the pre-Atlas serpent world-holder. I have about 150 volumes worth of interdisciplinary evidence accumulated from my 30 + years of study comparing devotional traditions in the ancient world. My apologies that I cannot send anything to anyone, because I have spent years bedridden and impoverished with no way to communicate my learning or to get my work into publishable form and published. If it were not for the recent donation of this computer, I would not be communicating with you today. At this late date in my miserable and precarious life, I have given up hope of ever seeing my work published. The best I can do is to try to communicate it a little bit at a time to persons working in related fields. I hoped that the INDOLOGY forum would be an appropriate place to discuss my observations. I even allowed a 'pastoral' letter containing some of my discoveries to be posted, believing that a person of integrity who seeks the whole truth, should never fear to be honest about their own perspective. Writing can be physically difficult for me, so, having nothing else to offer, it was forwarded. My apologies. This posting is my attempt to voice a more academic letter to you all. After my first (ever in my life) posting on a egroup, I have been blasted, and I fear that I do not possess the physical strength to even try to communicate my findings in such a combative atmosphere, filled with so much anguish and anger on all sides. Anger is a symptom of anguish / pain / unbearable suffering. Both words come from a root that means to be twisted or tortured. We are all wounded. Lets us try to heal each other, and reduce each others' pain, so we can communicate without anger. Why should we pick at each others' wounds ? I apologize if I have offended anyone, such as Mr. Fosse. Anguish / Anger is at the root of the problem. A code of ethics will not cure it. Only healing love and forgiveness will ease the pain. Mr. Fosse and Mr. Ganesans' kind words certainly eased some of my pain. Scholars are human too. We seek detached objectivity, but we still bleed when cut. I am so sensitive I even bleed when others are cut ! When you spend years bedridden or on a respirator, you learn about vulnerability, helplessness and isolation. You wonder if you will ever be able to join in the conversation of your peers, or if you will ever be able to make your contribution in any small way, to the betterment of the confused, divided, suffering human condition. You INDOLOGY egroup members are all blessed. In the entire history of the world, you have an unique opportunity to serve the greater good of humanity. please, do not let your anguish and anger compell you to quit the field. Rise above the divisive party spirit in a transcendant quest for truth. If you have the strength, stay in the fight. Some truths are worth living and even dying for. No one ever learns in a one-sided conversation. One must be capable of receptivity to learn. If a scholar has something of value to give, it is because s/he has first received. Receiving requires kenosis / emptiness / humility. How can I learn from any of you without humbling myself before you ? How can I offer anything of value to you without first being humble enough to receive it from someone else ? What is my debt to the entire civilizations which have gone before me? We are all getting a view from the shoulders of giants, and should be humbled by it. Let us love each other and appreciate one anothers' sacrifices in the quest for truth. Depreciation does not empower, inspirer and educated people, it discourages and embitters them. Last night I stopped breathing 13 times in my first hour of trying to sleep. Only my machine kept me from dying, or worse, waking up brain-damaged from lack of oxygen. I never know if I will be able to remember anything I have learned when I wake up. I dread sleep like death itself. Maybe you will never hear from me again. I hope that you will not dismiss the importance of my submissions because I am a nobody and a religious nobody one at that ! Wishing you all relief from your anguish and anger, and final victory in your quest for truth, your aspiring servant, Tridandi Sannyasi Bhakti Ananda Goswami (please forgive typos etc. as it is sometimes difficult for me to sit up or keyboard) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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