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This article from today's Times of India is for those who profess to

have never seen caste in action, or who think it is not a significant

cause of India's poverty or of its ethical/identity crisis.

 

David

 

 

Caste dissensions 'Rann' deep in Kutch

The Times of India News Service

 

AHMEDABAD: In all likelihood, there will be attempts to dismiss the caste

violence near Rapar on Wednesday, in which nine persons were killed, as an

isolated incident over a piece of land which led to tension between two

clans.

 

But grass-root organisations and various agencies of the government now

engaged in earthquake relief in the district have encountered caste-based

dissensions in the society which perhaps run deeper than what the government

would like to admit.

 

Relief workers and rehabilitation workers have in fact grappled with

caste-related problems in almost all towns and villages of the district

where people belonging to different castes refused to stay in temporary

shelters, like tents and tin sheds.

 

Said an activist of the St. Xaviers Social Welfare Society "we found that

most of the relief material and resources were being cornered by the upper

castes, the caste structure is quite stratified in Kutch".

 

Agencies working among the poorer sections of the society have in fact given

a term 'DMK' to the underprivileged class - comprising Dalit, Mulsim and

Koli.

 

Incidently, the latest incident of violence took place between two sections

of OBCs - Gadhvis and Kolis - with the former having a slightly elevated

position than the latter in the caste-ridden society. Several NGOs , which

did not have prior experience of having worked in Kutch , were caught quite

off guard because of the complexities of the caste structure.

 

Says Sushma Iyengar of Kutch Navnirman Abhiyan , a conglomeration of several

NGOs which is rooted to the Kutch countryside, "often the gram sabha

decisions in favour or against an NGO were dictated by the upper caste and

affluent class even though the vast majority of people , who were really the

genuinely affected earthquake victims, may not have been in favour of the

decision". She said "the poor definitely needed NGO support while the rich

thought they could handle rehabilitation on their own".

 

One of the main problems that planners who worked out the relocation sites

and the lay-out for new villages faced was that the existing villages had

clusters of houses belonging to a single caste while the relocation plans

had no such physical divisions . Even the World Bank and Asian Development

Bank , which have together pooled in about $ 1 billion for earthquake

rehabilitation , had extensively probed the state government officials on

how they propose to overcome these social and psychological barriers.

 

In the case of Dudhai , the village which has been built in record time by

the NGO headed by former Delhi chief minister Sahib Singh Verma and which

was inaugurated by the Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee on June 3 , the

caste divisions have become quite apparent. While the families belonging to

the Koli, Bawa and Meghwar castes have already occupied the new houses and

are quite happy with the deal they have got. But some 200 Patel families are

refusing to move in saying that the new site is too far from their

agricultural lands. The real reason , feel officials, is something entirely

different - that they don't want to share their habitat with the other

castes.

 

Kutch district collectgor H N Chibber , on being asked whether the gram

sabhas are dominated by the upper castes , said "it happens everywhere , the

strongest group prevails and the village goes along with the decision" . He

, however , said it would be wrong to generalise the caste problem in Kutch.

"I have come across many examples where people are living in complete

harmony in one village near Abdasa which has 80 per cent Muslim population ,

they have elected a Hindu sarpanch

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I think lack of education and resulting poverty is more to blame. When

we speak of caste it is not just simply modified varna system. A

plethora of other things like education, economic status, diet,

clothing, attitude, family structure, (in some cases even dialect) are

also part and parcel of the same . Specifically I think it is

illiteracy, uneducation and poor economic condition together which are

in action. I don't think this kind of injustice would be done, if the

people are educated and economically enpowered, which I think is also

the reason why these incidents usually tend to happen in the rural

areas. Although I am not sure I know which exact location this

incident has happened in, I think the growing rural-urban divide

should be a matter of concern.

 

Piyush

 

 

 

INDOLOGY, "David Salmon" <dsalmon@s...> wrote:

> This article from today's Times of India is for those who profess to

> have never seen caste in action, or who think it is not a

significant

> cause of India's poverty or of its ethical/identity crisis.

>

> David

>

>

> Caste dissensions 'Rann' deep in Kutch

> The Times of India News Service

>

> AHMEDABAD: In all likelihood, there will be attempts to dismiss the

caste

> violence near Rapar on Wednesday, in which nine persons were killed,

as an

> isolated incident over a piece of land which led to tension between

two

> clans.

>

> But grass-root organisations and various agencies of the government

now

> engaged in earthquake relief in the district have encountered

caste-based

> dissensions in the society which perhaps run deeper than what the

government

> would like to admit.

>

> Relief workers and rehabilitation workers have in fact grappled with

> caste-related problems in almost all towns and villages of the

district

> where people belonging to different castes refused to stay in

temporary

> shelters, like tents and tin sheds.

>

> Said an activist of the St. Xaviers Social Welfare Society "we found

that

> most of the relief material and resources were being cornered by the

upper

> castes, the caste structure is quite stratified in Kutch".

>

> Agencies working among the poorer sections of the society have in

fact given

> a term 'DMK' to the underprivileged class - comprising Dalit, Mulsim

and

> Koli.

>

> Incidently, the latest incident of violence took place between two

sections

> of OBCs - Gadhvis and Kolis - with the former having a slightly

elevated

> position than the latter in the caste-ridden society. Several NGOs ,

which

> did not have prior experience of having worked in Kutch , were

caught quite

> off guard because of the complexities of the caste structure.

>

> Says Sushma Iyengar of Kutch Navnirman Abhiyan , a conglomeration of

several

> NGOs which is rooted to the Kutch countryside, "often the gram sabha

> decisions in favour or against an NGO were dictated by the upper

caste and

> affluent class even though the vast majority of people , who were

really the

> genuinely affected earthquake victims, may not have been in favour

of the

> decision". She said "the poor definitely needed NGO support while

the rich

> thought they could handle rehabilitation on their own".

>

> One of the main problems that planners who worked out the relocation

sites

> and the lay-out for new villages faced was that the existing

villages had

> clusters of houses belonging to a single caste while the relocation

plans

> had no such physical divisions . Even the World Bank and Asian

Development

> Bank , which have together pooled in about $ 1 billion for

earthquake

> rehabilitation , had extensively probed the state government

officials on

> how they propose to overcome these social and psychological

barriers.

>

> In the case of Dudhai , the village which has been built in record

time by

> the NGO headed by former Delhi chief minister Sahib Singh Verma and

which

> was inaugurated by the Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee on June 3

, the

> caste divisions have become quite apparent. While the families

belonging to

> the Koli, Bawa and Meghwar castes have already occupied the new

houses and

> are quite happy with the deal they have got. But some 200 Patel

families are

> refusing to move in saying that the new site is too far from their

> agricultural lands. The real reason , feel officials, is something

entirely

> different - that they don't want to share their habitat with the

other

> castes.

>

> Kutch district collectgor H N Chibber , on being asked whether the

gram

> sabhas are dominated by the upper castes , said "it happens

everywhere , the

> strongest group prevails and the village goes along with the

decision" . He

> , however , said it would be wrong to generalise the caste problem

in Kutch.

> "I have come across many examples where people are living in

complete

> harmony in one village near Abdasa which has 80 per cent Muslim

population ,

> they have elected a Hindu sarpanch

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INDOLOGY, "David Salmon" <dsalmon@s...> wrote:

> This article from today's Times of India is for those who profess to

> have never seen caste in action, or who think it is not a

significant

> cause of India's poverty or of its ethical/identity crisis.

>

> David

>

 

Firstly, I don't see how caste related violence or injustice can be

the cause of any "identity crisis" to an entire nation.

 

Secondly, crimes related to caste are hate crimes and I personally

support strong legislation and action to avoid these. But again a hate

crime is basically a hate crime, and we have plenty of hate crimes

going on everywhere in the world (be it based on color, homosexuals,

minorities, caste, and so on).

 

Thanks

Piyush

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Thanks Kaushal, a brand new society is always going to be

egalitarian. When people settle down for several millenia that is

when caste happens, just IMO.

 

The western societies never had the time to settle down for more than

a century or two at best, so how could they possibly stabilize

their 'caste' system? They were always in conflicts, and every winner

would normally wipe out the culture of a loser with or without

scriptural authority; unlike in India where the winning kingdom

simply merges with the loser kingdom harmoniously. Any studies done

on the longest survived/surviving culture in west (e.g. Greek)? How

many centuries at a stretch without affecting civilians? (I don't

count military casualties).

 

Today the Indian caste system is rotten because there had not been

many winners among Hindu kings for several centuries.

 

Any ideas of caste system in Nepal which is a Hindu kingdom? Is caste

still an official entity over there despite the communists?

 

Regards

Bhadraiah

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