Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 INDOLOGY, naga_ganesan@h... wrote: > INDOLOGY, "Menon, A.G." <menon@r...> wrote: > > "catir" is not a Tamil word though it is used in connection with > >this specific dance form. Tamil Lexicon refers to a possible Urdu > >origin, which in turn leads to a possible Persion origin as suggested > >by Mr. Gupta. > > catir 'dance' and 'catiran2' (Shiva) are attested atleast > from 7th century tEvAram, 4000 divyaprabandham, .... One should note that a sutra in tolkAppiyam (eZuttu, 62) rules out the occurence of initial ca, cai & cau in Tamil words. cakarak kiLaviyum avaRRu OraRRE -- a, ai, au, en2um mUn2Ru alaGkaTaiyE. "The phoneme c can similarly stand initially "except when followed by a, ai and au." (Transl. K. Zvelebil, 1972, JTS 1, with a detailed explaination p. 54 on this sutra and dravidian phonology) Medieval commentators explain the exceptions to this rule as new-comer words. See for instance the explainations of cEn2Avaraiyar under tol. col. 452, where he mentions campu, caLLai, caTTi, camaZppu. This should imply that catir was borrowed by Tamil from some other language after the age of tolkAppiyam. Regards -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Paris) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 naga_ganesan [naga_ganesan] maandag 25 juni 2001 15:42 [Y-Indology] Re: Sadir INDOLOGY, "Menon, A.G." <menon@r...> wrote: > "catir" is not a Tamil word though it is used in connection with >this specific dance form. Tamil Lexicon refers to a possible Urdu >origin, which in turn leads to a possible Persian origin as suggested >by Mr. Gupta. INDOLOGY., "naga ganesan" <naga ganesan@h...> wrote: >catir 'dance' and 'catiran2' (Shiva) are attested atleast >from 7th century tEvAram, 4000 divyaprabandham, .... >Appreciations for any ref.s for interactions between >South and Persia in early centuries CE, The word "catir" has a number of meanings in Tamil and the related Dravidian languages. The meanings vary from 'cheapness', 'ability', 'greatness', 'excellence', 'beauty' to 'boundary'. The Dravidian Etymoligical Dictionary(DED)of Emeneau & Burrow lists three items with the make up "catir". Nowhere it refers to the special dance form as in the context of "catir-dance". The occurrence of the word "catir" in the Tamil Bhakti poetry is a reflection of one of the beautiful meanings listed in the Tamil Lexicon and in the DED. In the light of the illustration given by Madhav Deshpande, and the Maratha influence on Tanjore, it may not be in vain to explore the connection between Tanjore and the south of Maharashtra in the pursuit of "catir". With regards, A.G. Menon University of Leiden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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