beginner's question about the letter's name

[Guest guest]

Dearest all,

 

I'm only an amateur, and my question is rather stupid for the other

members of this group, but I have problem with the name of one letter

(sound) - lRR [or LL] (it is the tenth, long, vowel of the alphabet).

In Monier-Williams' On-line Sanskrit Dictionary every letter/sound

name is made with "kAra": a-kAra, A-kAra, etc. But there is no entry

for lRR-kAra. What is the name of this letter?

 

Best regards,

 

Marek Wawrykiewicz

 

PS

 

Sorry for my English.

[Guest guest]

In the Sanskrit grammatical and phonetic treatises, one does find the

expressions RkAra and LkAra. While there is long RRkAra in use in

Sanskrit, there is no corresponding long LLkAra. The only occurrence

of vowel L is in the forms of the root kLp, and the long variety of

this vowel does not occur in any item of the Sanskrit vocabulary.

Best,

Madhav Deshpande

 

INDOLOGY, marekw@p... wrote:

> Dearest all,

>

> I'm only an amateur, and my question is rather stupid for the other

> members of this group, but I have problem with the name of one

letter

> (sound) - lRR [or LL] (it is the tenth, long, vowel of the

alphabet).

> In Monier-Williams' On-line Sanskrit Dictionary every letter/sound

> name is made with "kAra": a-kAra, A-kAra, etc. But there is no entry

> for lRR-kAra. What is the name of this letter?

>

> Best regards,

>

> Marek Wawrykiewicz

>

> PS

>

> Sorry for my English.

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much for all answers

 

Harry Spier wrote:

>

> Dear list members:

>

> 1)

> Madhav Deshpande wrote:

> >the long variety of

> >this vowel [L] does not occur in any item of the Sanskrit vocabulary.

 

in Monier Williams' Dictionary I find for "LL": "...only appearing in

the

works of some grammarians and lexicographers"

 

And I want ask a question: Did this grammarians or lexicographers give

any special name for this letter/sound or they simply call they "LL"?

 

> One thing I've noticed is that while long vowel L does not occur in any

> words it does occur as a letter in some Kashmir Shaivite texts in the

> description of a mystical theology concerning the letters of the Sanskrit

> alphabet. (For example see the first two lines of page 14 of the K.S.T.S.

> edition of the Tantrasara.) So any font used to reproduce these texts needs

> long vocalic L in its character set.

 

Sorry, I haven't this text. Could You write this two lines for me in

email?. Please.

And what does it mean K.S.T.S. (sorry again, I'm start learning and I

know so little)

 

> 2) About the name of another letter, I've always wondered why instead of

> like the other letters the consonent r is not called rakara but is called

> repha instead.

 

Consonant "r" is called rakAra too - this name occurs in Ramayana (see

Monier

Williams' Dictionary)

 

Best regards,

 

Marek Wawrykiewicz