Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 THIS LETTER ISSPOKEN AS LLRA-kARA,BUT AS THIS WORD AND THA RA ALSO HAD THEIR EXISTENCE IN Y GROUP,MUCHIMPORTENCE WAS NOT GIVEN TO THEM. EARLIER WHEN BRAHMANISM WAS IN ITS REGULAR PRACTICE,TO MUCH IMPORTENCE WAS BEING GIVEN FOR CORRECT PRONOUNCIATION OF THE WORDS,AND CONCENTRATING ON THE UPPER OF LOWER PART OF THE THROAT WHILE SPEEKING. NOW AS THE IMPORTENCE OF PRONOUNCIATION IS REDUCED,THERE ARE SO MANY WORDS,SYLLABLES AND INDECLINABLES WHICH HAD LOST THEIR EXISTANCE. SPSHARMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 Madhav Deshpande said: "The usage of the word repha to refer to the r-sign written on top of a character is a relatively recent usage, unknown to the authors of PrAtizAkhyas and Sanskrit grammars. ... In these early texts, repha refers to all occurrences of the consonant t, with no reference to any written ligatures." I wonder if this specialization of 'repha' to refer to the written sign for consonantal r but only in certain contexts may be a very modern thing, caused by the development of typography and by 20th-century discussions on the possibility of script reform, which make it convenient to refer to different graphemes of the same phoneme in different positions by specific words. What is the earliest evidence for this specialization in the word 'repha'? Allen Thrasher Library of Congress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 INDOLOGY, "Allen W Thrasher" <athr@l...> wrote: > Madhav Deshpande said: > > "The usage of the word repha to refer to the r-sign written on top of > a character is a relatively recent usage, unknown to the authors of > PrAtizAkhyas and Sanskrit grammars. ... In these early texts, repha > refers to all occurrences of the consonant t, with no reference to any > written ligatures." > > I wonder if this specialization of 'repha' to refer to the written > sign for consonantal r but only in certain contexts may be a very > modern thing, caused by the development of typography and by > 20th-century discussions on the possibility of script reform, which > make it convenient to refer to different graphemes of the same phoneme > in different positions by specific words. What is the earliest > evidence for this specialization in the word 'repha'? > > Allen Thrasher > > Library of Congress Allen, This is a wonderful history, not fully recorded or understood. However, there are some indications. I can cite two such indications. First, there is the folk etymology of the word dvi-repha referring to a bee, where the word repha possibly refers to a hook-like shape. But more appropriate evidence comes from the Saarasvata-Vyaakara.na of Anubhuutisvaruupaacaarya (7th edn. 1952, Nirnayasagara Press). In this work, we see intrusion of writing into grammatical descriptions of Sanskrit sounds. Rule 32 (p. 4), var.nazirobindur anusvaara.h, defines the Anusvaara as the dot on top of a character-sign. Verse 7 (p. 5), describes .rvar.na as being gaja-kumbhaak.rti.h Now coming more specifically to the description of repha, the text is describing the sandhi sequence gauryatra: tumbikaa t.r.nakaa.s.tha.m ca taila.m jalasamaagame / uurdhvasthaana.m samaayaanti rephaa.naam iid.rzii gati.h //11// jalatumbikaanyaayena rephasyordhvagamanam "like a gourd in water, the repha goes over a character." What are the conditions for the up or down movement of repha? repha.h svarapara.m var.nam d.r.s.tvaarohati tacchira.h / pura.h sthita.m yadaa pazyed adha.h sa.mkramate svaram //12// "Seeing a (following) consonant followed by a vowel, the repha climbs to its top. When it sees a vowel following, it moves below (the previous consonant character)." Thus, we see grammatical texts beginning to pay attention to orthographic behaviour of r-signs under different circumstances. The more restricted meaning of repha as referring only to the r-sign on top of a consonant character could be later than the Saarasvata- vyaakara.na. Madhav Deshpande Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 >INDOLOGY, "MM Deshpande wrote: >> "The usage of the word repha to refer to the r-sign written on top >>of a character is a relatively recent usage, >evidence comes from the Saarasvata-Vyaakara.na of >Anubhuutisvaruupaacaarya (7th edn. 1952, Nirnayasagara Press). > jalatumbikaanyaayena rephasyordhvagamanam >"like a gourd in water, the repha goes over a character." Please consider that this type of script (Gupta) indeed had the r- "on top" of a character (r+C), i.e. higher than the character itself, but written as a *horizontal* line, just below the top notch (later expanded to the Nagari top line), thus: rka = * - (= r ) ka etc. The present vertical r-hook developed only with Nagari, post- c.1000 CE. However, C+r is written in Gupta similar to Nagari, i.e. at the lower end of the consonant. Thus Candra's description fits Gupta/Siddhamatrika script perfectly : a gourd swims, well, horizontally. In short, the usage can be as old as Gupta script. (and, I think, even in Brahmi, the -r- of -rC- was already written (vertically) ON TOP ... have to check; this from memory only) Best Michael ======================================================== Michael Witzel Department of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University 2 Divinity Avenue, Cambridge MA 02138, USA ph. 1- 617-496 2990 (also messages) home page: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm Elect. Journ. of Vedic Studies: http://nautilus.shore.net/~india/ejvs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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