Guest guest Posted September 29, 2001 Report Share Posted September 29, 2001 vayir = proto-nAgasvaram? --------------------------- For sometime, I have been thinking about 'vayir' - a type of musical instrument often refered to in the earliest CT texts. Obviously, 'vayir' in CT and sanskrit vajra are related. Cf. vayiram = diamond (skt. vajra). vayir is the instrument made of 'hard wood' in CT. Are vayiriyar accompanying the dancer women in CT, later evolved into the medieval musicians playing the pipe of mangalavAdyam in Chola inscriptions? Acc. to prof. Witzel, vajra is an Indo-Iranian word: INDOLOGY/message/904 The contact to relate tamil vayir and skt. vajra must have been quite early. Is the direction of transmission going from dravidian possible? Obviously, Tevaram (7th century) and Tiruvacakam (9th century) employ the word, Ezil which means "7-hole instrument", and Tamil commentators say this refers to nAgasvaram. Compare the tamil word nAyan2am for nAgasvaram, and nAyana < skt. nayana 'eye', In tamil, nAyanam and Ezil '7-hole instument' invite comparison. Between flute and nAgasvaram, which is 'Ezil' is hard to decide, OTOH flute has other names in old Tamil: kuzal, vEyGkuzal, pullAGkuzal, puLLAGkuzal etc. Norman Cutler for example translates Ezil in Tiruvacakam as nAgasvaram. See the quote given by LS: CTamil/message/392 Interested those can read the thread nagaswaram in CTamil . Eg., I gave some ref.s to Tamil scholars claiming Ezil as nAgasvaram, CTamil/message/402 Next time, I will list the CT encounters of vayir instruments, and their relationship to dance and music. The presence of 'vayir' and 'Ezil' in sangam and bhakti era texts in tamil make it difficult to believe the mangalavAdyam par excellence in tamil temples played with devadasi dance arrived from Arabia. Tamil inscriptions, texts, and art has not been studied in depth w.r.t the origins of oboe in south India. Note that zurna/surna type names from Middle East is not encountered in Tamil. Regards, N. Ganesan zaGkha shells: ------------- kOTu is the conch shell (Cf. NaRRiNai uses 'veN kOTu' white conch). Tamils use 'kOTTunURu' (kOTu + nURu) for 'conch line'. kOTu and kavaTi/kavaLi mean 'curve, coil, horn' etc., kavaTi, (pronounced as kavaDi), is english cowrie shell. Another semantically related word for conch is koGku 'curve, hill' etc., in tamil. Drav. koGku is the likely root for Skt. zaGkha. INDOLOGY/message/1571 See Dr. Piotr Gasiorowski in the IE list on the possibility of konkhos in Greek as an Eastern loan: cybalist/message/9494 Ancient Sumerians imported the zaGkha shells from India: cybalist/message/9634 The Greek konkhos/kokhlos may be ultimately related to words like tamil koGku/kokku 'curve, coil, hill' etc., Another related word with the same root, "curving" is for herons: tamil kokku, telugu koGga 'heron'. Interestingly, in the Minoan palaces 4 quatrz-hard rhytons have been found, and Near Eastern parallels exist. Whether these ultimately are related to Indian zaGkha, and its importance in Indian culture? Two other relations between East and West: a) The Pythagoras theorem has been discovered in agnicayana ritual few centuries earlier than Greek attestations, and historians of Science are now sure that both Greek and Vedic geometry have a common origin - Most likely, the pre-Socratic philosophers heard of it in Turkey region the Indian mathematics. and b) The Gorgons, their tilaka-like marks, the Perseus-Gorgon legend have an "oriental" relation ultimately going to Indian sources. (A. David Napier's books and 2001 paper). - NG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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