Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 tolkAppiyam's discourse on phonology has some sutras on permitted consonantal clusters . The sutras 24, 26, 27, 28 and 29 of ezuttatikAram (phonology):mayaGkiyal are such. In reading the commentary of Naccin2Arkkin2iyar, we find that he has severe disagreement with his predecessor iLampUraNar over whether the validity of the examples cited by iLam. The grounds for his objection are fundamental: Nacc. opines that the particular chapter's sole purpose is internal consonantal clusters not those at external sandhi i.e. at the boundaries of words in compounds. But Nacc. seems to have a very strange idea of single words and compound words as we shall see below. For example, when at the cluster -Jy- (palatal nasal followed by "y"), iLam. cites "uriJyAtu" resulting from juxtaposing the two words "veriJ" ("back") and "yAtu" ("which"), a compound. Nacc. promptly rejects it as invalid and irrelevant to the chapter's purpose of dealing with word-internal consonantal clusters only. The other interesting clusters are -ly-, -Ny-, -Nv-, -rm- etc. Comparable words (whether Skt. or not): kalyANa, puNya, kaNva, karma etc. What is the final word on this issue by modern scholars of Tholkappiyam? Reading "Naccinarkkiniyar's Conception of Phonology" by S.V.Shanmugham, by Annamalai University, 1967 does not help. In a 7-page discussion devoted to these sutras alone (pp. 40-47), he seems to offer no opinion of his own or care to cite opinion of others. Shanmugham only discusses the old commentators' views. Page 43 ibid. : "Ilampuranar points out that clustering is applicable to the case of single words as well as juxtaposed words. Naccinarkiniyar contradicts Ilampuranar by saying that clusters are restricted to only individual words." But Nacc. makes things not so simple. Shanmugham continues, "...But in addition to individual words, he [Nacc.] cites vinaittokai (verbal root-nound compound) and paNputtokai (adjectival root-noun compound) form also as illsutrations for clusters. He justifies himself for including the two compunds by saying that they can be treated as individual terms on the basis of the sutra 482, which says that these compunds cannot be analysed as two separate units." To illustrate the above, Nacc. would happily cite, in sutra #26, for the cluster -Ny- "maNyARu" (sand river), for -Nv- "eNvaTTu" (?eight discs) etc., which are clearly not single words. He knows that but says as quoted above these compounds are tokai type implying that they are "immune to division". This is a very interesting issue. I hope scholars lstening to this on this list such as Chevillard who has translated a portion of tolkAppiyam can throw some light on this. Regards P. Chandrsekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 INDOLOGY, "perichandra" <perichandra> wrote: > >.. > For example, when at the cluster -Jy- (palatal nasal followed by "y"), > iLam. cites "uriJyAtu" resulting from juxtaposing the two words > "veriJ" ("back") and "yAtu" ("which"), a compound. A typo here. "uriJyAtu" should have been "veriJyAtu" which of course as said above is a compound of veriJ and yAtu. .... Regards, P. Chandrsekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2001 Report Share Posted December 25, 2001 At 14:52 19/12/01 +0000, you wrote: >INDOLOGY, "perichandra" <perichandra> wrote: > >tolkAppiyam's discourse on phonology has some sutras on permitted >consonantal clusters . The sutras 24, 26, 27, 28 and 29 of >ezuttatikAram (phonology):mayaGkiyal are such. >[....] >This is a very interesting issue. > >I hope scholars lstening to this on this list such as Chevillard who >has translated a portion of tolkAppiyam can throw some light on this. > >Regards >P. Chandrsekaran Dear Chandra, I have prepared one rather long comment on your message regarding this interesting topic. But since I thought it would really be of interest only to a very limited number of people on Y-Indology, I have sent it to the CTamil list. It can be found at: <CTamil/message/516> Warm regards -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (Paris) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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