SV: Challenge to Indologists

[Guest guest]

Nanda Chandran wrote:

>> The Vedic is better understood as the core/the foundation of

>> Hinduism as sects irrespective of their theological connections

>> to the Vedas have still sought legitimacy from the orthodoxy.

>

Manish Modi <manish.modi@b...> wrote a reply:

> Jainism completely rejects the authoirity of the Vedas.

>It is built around the edifices of Ahinsa, Karmavaad, Anekant

>and the rejection of conventional

> Ishwarwad. [...]

> Superficial similarities with the Vedic / Brahaminic systems

>of religion should not cloud the fact that Jainism is a distinct

>religion of India, as old as the land itself.

 

This is true, Saivaite and Vaishnavaite texts in Tamil

from 6th century onwards often give the reason for getting

rid of Jainism from the land: Jains do not care about

brahmins or vedas.

 

The word, zramaNa itself is non-IndoAryan. There are 10s

of words in Tamil like camaTTu-/cavaL-/kavaL-/kavaN- etc., all

meaning "to bend, to strive,". Eg., camaTTu-vaNTi is

the modern name for bicycles, cavaLi is cloth so named

because of it's flexible and bending. It looks

a Dravidian word *kamaN-/kamaL- ('to strive, to bend (by

asceticism)') has become the zramaNa(skt.)/samaNa(prakrit).

 

Once there was a detailed discussion about many Tamil words relating

to samaNa/zramaNa in Agathiyar e-group. Drs. Iraama. Ki.,

MadhurabhArati, myself, and others participated.

 

The karma theory, absent in the Rgveda, is a pre-Aryan substratum

element that shows up in later day and modern Hinduism.

 

Regards,

N. Ganesan

[Guest guest]

INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan" <naga_ganesan@h...> wrote:

 

>

> The karma theory, absent in the Rgveda, is a pre-Aryan substratum

> element that shows up in later day and modern Hinduism.

>

> Regards,

> N. Ganesan

 

 

How do you know it is "pre-Aryan substratum"?

[Guest guest]

INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan" <naga_ganesan@h...> wrote:

, Allahabad,

> 1927.

> [End Quote]

> (Quoted from Wendy Doniger, The origins of evil in Hindu mythology,

> Univ. Chicago press, 1980, page 21).

>

> Applying Indological theory, Jains are important in bringing

> back the old concepts from pre-Aryan-incursion times India.

> Eg., karma, reincarnation and yoga ideas that are unique to India.

 

 

Did you ask the Jains whether they were bringing back concepts "from

pre-Aryan-incursion times"?